EPT[GSL 2019] Season 1 - Ro16 Group C - Page 8
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:20 BisuDagger wrote: 2019 is making it really hard to do power rankings. Where does Innovation sit now? yeah, it's guaranteed to generate some outrage, no matter what. If you put him first because of WESG then people will be pointing out this day, and how he dindt face protoss in his run. If you dont put him first then who else? the other most recent champion, soO is similarly was knocked out in an unceremonious fashion. Maru is always an option, since he's still in GSL and ended up 3rd at Wesg, on the other hand he had the easiest group in GSL and his only noteworthy wins at wesg were the 3-0 vs Neeb and the 3-2 vs Scarlett. TY is solid but hasnt won anything. Serral cant be first because there would be a mass suicide wave in protest. It's really hard actually, I would go ahead and just not publish one for a while, but not sure if that's an option. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:33 Geo.Rion wrote: yeah, it's guaranteed to generate some outrage, no matter what. If you put him first because of WESG then people will be pointing out this day, and how he dindt face protoss in his run. If you dont put him first then who else? the other most recent champion, soO is similarly was knocked out in an unceremonious fashion. Maru is always an option, since he's still in GSL and ended up 3rd at Wesg, on the other hand he had the easiest group in GSL and his only noteworthy wins at wesg were the 3-0 vs Neeb and the 3-2 vs Scarlett. TY is solid but hasnt won anything. Serral cant be first because there would be a mass suicide wave in protest. It's really hard actually, I would go ahead and just not publish one for a while, but not sure if that's an option. Thats not an option? I would call that option the 2016 strat. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:33 Geo.Rion wrote: yeah, it's guaranteed to generate some outrage, no matter what. If you put him first because of WESG then people will be pointing out this day, and how he dindt face protoss in his run. If you dont put him first then who else? the other most recent champion, soO is similarly was knocked out in an unceremonious fashion. Maru is always an option, since he's still in GSL and ended up 3rd at Wesg, on the other hand he had the easiest group in GSL and his only noteworthy wins at wesg were the 3-0 vs Neeb and the 3-2 vs Scarlett. TY is solid but hasnt won anything. Serral cant be first because there would be a mass suicide wave in protest. It's really hard actually, I would go ahead and just not publish one for a while, but not sure if that's an option. Quite convinced Serral should be #1 because of the consistency he is showing even in 2019; Dark has been very consistent too and I think he'll advance from his Code S group. In any of case, the last option is the best one; Sc2 seems to have no ruler atm. The previous power ranking had to be done before IEM or skipped at all; also, a power ranking for April would be hard, maybe it's better to avoid making one and wait for May instead. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
In terms of global events, soO did better than Serral in 2/3 this year (katowice, gsl, wesg), better than Stats in 2/2 (Katowice, gsl) and better than INno in 2/3 (katowice, gsl, wesg). You can't argue for any of those three to be ranked higher than soO. Maru/Dark/Rogue are all still in GSL however and if any of them win they should be given #1 realistically. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19237 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:43 Xain0n wrote: Quite convinced Serral should be #1 because of the consistency he is showing even in 2019; Dark has been very consistent too and I think he'll advance from his Code S group. In any of case, the last option is the best one; Sc2 seems to have no ruler atm. The previous power ranking had to be done before IEM or skipped at all; also, a power ranking for April would be hard, maybe it's better to avoid making one and wait for May instead. Maru advanced in GSL and finished top 3 WESG. That's pretty solid coming of his consistent last year. So he's definitely still got an argument for top 3. I would throw a curve ball and put TY at #1. He's looking great right now and advanced in his GSL group 2-0. If power rank focuses on the scariness of a player, I don't think anyone would want to go head to head with him in a best of 5 right now. | ||
Poopi
France12879 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:16 BisuDagger wrote: Maru advanced in GSL and finished top 3 WESG. That's pretty solid coming of his consistent last year. So he's definitely still got an argument for top 3. I would throw a curve ball and put TY at #1. He's looking great right now and advanced in his GSL group 2-0. If power rank focuses on the scariness of a player, I don't think anyone would want to go head to head with him in a best of 5 right now. Solar probably ^^' | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
it would just be a cute joke if he wasn't serious when he says stuff like that | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:16 BisuDagger wrote: Maru advanced in GSL and finished top 3 WESG. That's pretty solid coming of his consistent last year. So he's definitely still got an argument for top 3. I would throw a curve ball and put TY at #1. He's looking great right now and advanced in his GSL group 2-0. If power rank focuses on the scariness of a player, I don't think anyone would want to go head to head with him in a best of 5 right now. TY looked like the best player in Code S but Solar dispatching him 3-0 in IEM's ro8 doesn't really make him seem a potential #1. It's too hard of a task, really, I'd wait at least for this weekend's results before attempting to imagine a power ranking. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6928 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:45 Fango wrote: I think soO still has the best case. Despite losing in GSL he still did better in it this season than Stats, INno, or Serral. Who are the only other contenders for #1. In terms of global events, soO did better than Serral in 2/3 this year (katowice, gsl, wesg), better than Stats in 2/2 (Katowice, gsl) and better than INno in 2/3 (katowice, gsl, wesg). You can't argue for any of those three to be ranked higher than soO. Maru/Dark/Rogue are all still in GSL however and if any of them win they should be given #1 realistically. Using the Formula 1 point system (IEM, WESG, GSL/ Circuit): Soo: 25, 0, 1 = 26 Serral: ~7, 18, 4+ (though WCS is easier, ofc) = 29 Maru: 0, 15, 4+ = 19+ Inno: 0, 25, 0 = 25 TY: ~1.5, 0, 4+ = 5.5+ Soo and TY didn't qualify (though they tried) for WESG This was done in somewhat of a rush. Pls don't hesitate to point out mistakes | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:37 Xain0n wrote: TY looked like the best player in Code S but Solar dispatching him 3-0 in IEM's ro8 doesn't really make him seem a potential #1. It's too hard of a task, really, I'd wait at least for this weekend's results before attempting to imagine a power ranking. I dont think this weekend s results bare any significance upon the top 1-3 places. Say Dark crushes 4-0, it would still be hard to justify placing him 1st or 2nd. The best path is not to write one, or leave soO as first and in the description say something like " ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we wanted to give the first to someone else, but we cant make a credible case for anyone, so the status quo remains, and anyways, have you seen that subway banner?" | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:46 Harris1st wrote: Using the Formula 1 point system (IEM, WESG, GSL/ Circuit): Soo: 25, 0, 1 = 26 Serral: ~7, 18, 4+ (though WCS is easier, ofc) = 29 Maru: 0, 15, 4+ = 19+ Inno: 0, 25, 0 = 25 TY: ~1.5, 0, 4+ = 5.5+ Soo and TY didn't qualify (though they tried) for WESG This was done in somewhat of a rush. Pls don't hesitate to point out mistakes Comparing WCS to GSL point wise is nonsense | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote: I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:58 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont think this weekend s results bare any significance upon the top 1-3 places. Say Dark crushes 4-0, it would still be hard to justify placing him 1st or 2nd. The best path is not to write one, or leave soO as first and in the description say something like " ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we wanted to give the first to someone else, but we cant make a credible case for anyone, so the status quo remains, and anyways, have you seen that subway banner?" I wasn't totally convinced by soO's first place in the power rankings after IEM and he crashed out of Code S right after; Dark would have had fairly good results in Code S(ideally), WESG and IEM. Serral is playing Groupstage 3 in WCS this weekend, if he advances as first that surely counts as a positive performance. It wouldn't seem appropriate, to me, to have soO ranked again first after these results(which may indeed differ from the ones I am listing here). Not making a power ranking at all is a viable solution. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote: I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. Inno killed a few probes, but trap ransacked inno's bases, killing more SCVs than inno killed probes, delaying stim, and killing tanks Inno killed probes, but it's not like he was was ahead by any means. he also had zero widow mines honestly his series vs trap was very disappointing imo | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:28 travis wrote: lol @ fango "soo did better than serral at gsl" it would just be a cute joke if he wasn't serious when he says stuff like that I also said that Serral did better than soO at WeSG so what's your point here? If you're gonna rank Serral in the same list as koreans then any good performance in GSL would be a valid point for them to have on him. | ||
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WickedBit
United States343 Posts
On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote: I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. | ||
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