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On April 30 2019 17:12 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 09:42 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 09:02 Acrofales wrote:On April 30 2019 08:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 06:17 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 06:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 30 2019 05:25 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 03:30 dswarm wrote:Naniwa has been a jerk to me in the most random situations in twitch chat. Thought he was kinda bad ass for years but these days simply find him unpleasant. I also think neeb's results have been more impressive but maybe i'm just biased because I like him more as a person. Regardless, my vote is for neeb  I voted for Nani because he was a threat to Koreans back then, we can't say that about Neeb. But when Neeb's on fire he can, which sadly happens only from time to time. I’d consider Neeb more of a consistent threat to the best Koreans though. Totally different eras of course, so hard to compare Depends on which era of Nani we're lookin, he covers pre-KeSPA too and then he was a threat except to GSL top 16 I would say. SImilarly to Neeb today, but he was winning some tourneys(he beat NESTEA!@$!$!%!@%!@%!@%!) and he got some nice 2nd places(against Life). Depends. I would say Neeb is a threat to koreans considering that he won KeSpa Cup and he reached the semifinals in Code S. What we can agree of is that he is very matchup reliant: his best one is among the best in the world(PvP back then and PvZ now) are among the best in the world while his others just can't compare. Hmmm. He was fairly close to beating TY. Also, being better at one matchup than at another doesn't mean you are awful at them. I mean, there are players that are one trick ponies, but Neeb clearly isn't. Even in his Code S run he beat Rogue (and a bunch of non-top Koreans as well as Reynor). He beat a RO8 Rogue. Other than a teamkill this was a free run into RO4  (I can see Rogue putting up a fight against a teammate) In literally EVERY thread on TL you post how hard GSL is, how only the best play, how it is the hardest that ever existed, how only a bonjwa and his mother can win and now you come with THIS? Are you serious?? And yes I have seen your overused clown smiley I will USE that post against you in every WCS vs GSL discussion! Evar! 
Why are you party to such a discussion in the first place, there is no question that GSL on average has much higher standards of competition than WCS especially post-construction of the wall lmao. How delusional does one have to be?
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On April 30 2019 23:37 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 17:12 Harris1st wrote:On April 30 2019 09:42 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 09:02 Acrofales wrote:On April 30 2019 08:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 06:17 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 06:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 30 2019 05:25 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 03:30 dswarm wrote:Naniwa has been a jerk to me in the most random situations in twitch chat. Thought he was kinda bad ass for years but these days simply find him unpleasant. I also think neeb's results have been more impressive but maybe i'm just biased because I like him more as a person. Regardless, my vote is for neeb I voted for Nani because he was a threat to Koreans back then, we can't say that about Neeb. But when Neeb's on fire he can, which sadly happens only from time to time. I’d consider Neeb more of a consistent threat to the best Koreans though. Totally different eras of course, so hard to compare Depends on which era of Nani we're lookin, he covers pre-KeSPA too and then he was a threat except to GSL top 16 I would say. SImilarly to Neeb today, but he was winning some tourneys(he beat NESTEA!@$!$!%!@%!@%!@%!) and he got some nice 2nd places(against Life). Depends. I would say Neeb is a threat to koreans considering that he won KeSpa Cup and he reached the semifinals in Code S. What we can agree of is that he is very matchup reliant: his best one is among the best in the world(PvP back then and PvZ now) are among the best in the world while his others just can't compare. Hmmm. He was fairly close to beating TY. Also, being better at one matchup than at another doesn't mean you are awful at them. I mean, there are players that are one trick ponies, but Neeb clearly isn't. Even in his Code S run he beat Rogue (and a bunch of non-top Koreans as well as Reynor). He beat a RO8 Rogue. Other than a teamkill this was a free run into RO4 (I can see Rogue putting up a fight against a teammate) In literally EVERY thread on TL you post how hard GSL is, how only the best play, how it is the hardest that ever existed, how only a bonjwa and his mother can win and now you come with THIS? Are you serious?? And yes I have seen your overused clown smiley I will USE that post against you in every WCS vs GSL discussion! Evar! Why are you party to such a discussion in the first place, there is no question that GSL on average has much higher standards of competition than WCS especially post-construction of the wall lmao. How delusional does one have to be?
Are you sure you answered to the right post? WCS vs GSL mention here was irrelevant, it was instead weird how Neeb reaching ro4 in Code S is now someway overlooked after deacon showed his veneration for the tournament in every possible discussion.
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On April 30 2019 23:57 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 23:37 Jealous wrote:On April 30 2019 17:12 Harris1st wrote:On April 30 2019 09:42 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 09:02 Acrofales wrote:On April 30 2019 08:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 06:17 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 06:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 30 2019 05:25 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 03:30 dswarm wrote:Naniwa has been a jerk to me in the most random situations in twitch chat. Thought he was kinda bad ass for years but these days simply find him unpleasant. I also think neeb's results have been more impressive but maybe i'm just biased because I like him more as a person. Regardless, my vote is for neeb I voted for Nani because he was a threat to Koreans back then, we can't say that about Neeb. But when Neeb's on fire he can, which sadly happens only from time to time. I’d consider Neeb more of a consistent threat to the best Koreans though. Totally different eras of course, so hard to compare Depends on which era of Nani we're lookin, he covers pre-KeSPA too and then he was a threat except to GSL top 16 I would say. SImilarly to Neeb today, but he was winning some tourneys(he beat NESTEA!@$!$!%!@%!@%!@%!) and he got some nice 2nd places(against Life). Depends. I would say Neeb is a threat to koreans considering that he won KeSpa Cup and he reached the semifinals in Code S. What we can agree of is that he is very matchup reliant: his best one is among the best in the world(PvP back then and PvZ now) are among the best in the world while his others just can't compare. Hmmm. He was fairly close to beating TY. Also, being better at one matchup than at another doesn't mean you are awful at them. I mean, there are players that are one trick ponies, but Neeb clearly isn't. Even in his Code S run he beat Rogue (and a bunch of non-top Koreans as well as Reynor). He beat a RO8 Rogue. Other than a teamkill this was a free run into RO4 (I can see Rogue putting up a fight against a teammate) In literally EVERY thread on TL you post how hard GSL is, how only the best play, how it is the hardest that ever existed, how only a bonjwa and his mother can win and now you come with THIS? Are you serious?? And yes I have seen your overused clown smiley I will USE that post against you in every WCS vs GSL discussion! Evar! Why are you party to such a discussion in the first place, there is no question that GSL on average has much higher standards of competition than WCS especially post-construction of the wall lmao. How delusional does one have to be? Are you sure you answered to the right post? WCS vs GSL mention here was irrelevant, it was instead weird how Neeb reaching ro4 in Code S is now someway overlooked after deacon showed his veneration for the tournament in every possible discussion.
In deacon.frost's defense, I think he was arguing on the side of Dimaga vs Myungsik here.
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On May 01 2019 00:04 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 23:57 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 23:37 Jealous wrote:On April 30 2019 17:12 Harris1st wrote:On April 30 2019 09:42 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 09:02 Acrofales wrote:On April 30 2019 08:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 06:17 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 06:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 30 2019 05:25 deacon.frost wrote:
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I voted for Nani because he was a threat to Koreans back then, we can't say that about Neeb. But when Neeb's on fire he can, which sadly happens only from time to time. I’d consider Neeb more of a consistent threat to the best Koreans though. Totally different eras of course, so hard to compare Depends on which era of Nani we're lookin, he covers pre-KeSPA too and then he was a threat except to GSL top 16 I would say. SImilarly to Neeb today, but he was winning some tourneys(he beat NESTEA!@$!$!%!@%!@%!@%!) and he got some nice 2nd places(against Life). Depends. I would say Neeb is a threat to koreans considering that he won KeSpa Cup and he reached the semifinals in Code S. What we can agree of is that he is very matchup reliant: his best one is among the best in the world(PvP back then and PvZ now) are among the best in the world while his others just can't compare. Hmmm. He was fairly close to beating TY. Also, being better at one matchup than at another doesn't mean you are awful at them. I mean, there are players that are one trick ponies, but Neeb clearly isn't. Even in his Code S run he beat Rogue (and a bunch of non-top Koreans as well as Reynor). He beat a RO8 Rogue. Other than a teamkill this was a free run into RO4 (I can see Rogue putting up a fight against a teammate) In literally EVERY thread on TL you post how hard GSL is, how only the best play, how it is the hardest that ever existed, how only a bonjwa and his mother can win and now you come with THIS? Are you serious?? And yes I have seen your overused clown smiley I will USE that post against you in every WCS vs GSL discussion! Evar! Why are you party to such a discussion in the first place, there is no question that GSL on average has much higher standards of competition than WCS especially post-construction of the wall lmao. How delusional does one have to be? Are you sure you answered to the right post? WCS vs GSL mention here was irrelevant, it was instead weird how Neeb reaching ro4 in Code S is now someway overlooked after deacon showed his veneration for the tournament in every possible discussion. In deacon.frost's defense, I think he was arguing on the side of Dimaga vs Myungsik here.
First and formost it was a joke and I acknowledged that when Neeb's on fire he can be the threat which happened in the RO4 Neeb run. People here need to losen up a little. Next time I will use more smileys and hashtags and shit like that so they are not so cereal.
MG
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On May 01 2019 00:10 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 00:04 Acrofales wrote:On April 30 2019 23:57 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 23:37 Jealous wrote:On April 30 2019 17:12 Harris1st wrote:On April 30 2019 09:42 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 09:02 Acrofales wrote:On April 30 2019 08:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 06:17 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2019 06:07 Wombat_NI wrote:
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I’d consider Neeb more of a consistent threat to the best Koreans though. Totally different eras of course, so hard to compare Depends on which era of Nani we're lookin, he covers pre-KeSPA too and then he was a threat except to GSL top 16 I would say. SImilarly to Neeb today, but he was winning some tourneys(he beat NESTEA!@$!$!%!@%!@%!@%!) and he got some nice 2nd places(against Life). Depends. I would say Neeb is a threat to koreans considering that he won KeSpa Cup and he reached the semifinals in Code S. What we can agree of is that he is very matchup reliant: his best one is among the best in the world(PvP back then and PvZ now) are among the best in the world while his others just can't compare. Hmmm. He was fairly close to beating TY. Also, being better at one matchup than at another doesn't mean you are awful at them. I mean, there are players that are one trick ponies, but Neeb clearly isn't. Even in his Code S run he beat Rogue (and a bunch of non-top Koreans as well as Reynor). He beat a RO8 Rogue. Other than a teamkill this was a free run into RO4 (I can see Rogue putting up a fight against a teammate) In literally EVERY thread on TL you post how hard GSL is, how only the best play, how it is the hardest that ever existed, how only a bonjwa and his mother can win and now you come with THIS? Are you serious?? And yes I have seen your overused clown smiley I will USE that post against you in every WCS vs GSL discussion! Evar! Why are you party to such a discussion in the first place, there is no question that GSL on average has much higher standards of competition than WCS especially post-construction of the wall lmao. How delusional does one have to be? Are you sure you answered to the right post? WCS vs GSL mention here was irrelevant, it was instead weird how Neeb reaching ro4 in Code S is now someway overlooked after deacon showed his veneration for the tournament in every possible discussion. In deacon.frost's defense, I think he was arguing on the side of Dimaga vs Myungsik here. First and formost it was a joke and I acknowledged that when Neeb's on fire he can be the threat which happened in the RO4 Neeb run. People here need to losen up a little. Next time I will use more smileys and hashtags and shit like that so they are not so cereal. MG
Ahhh gotcha! Baited and hooked
Anyway, I will use your post completely out of context whenever I see fit 
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Alright time for the new matches.
Theses polls are closed
Match 17 : MMA vs SpeCial (aka Major, Windy, Princess, Kitty…)
MMA: 1 GSL, 1 Blizzard Cup, 2 WCS EU, the man of eternal class, he was a top player for years never to be outdone for long even after his move to the WCS circuit. He is also one of the only players to retire on top after his victory in an epic 7 map joust against Parting at HSC.
SpeCial: 1 Blizzcon semi final, 4 WCS semi final and about 20 Copa America wins, once an aspiring BW player he was one of the first SC2 players to create strong ties with the Korean scene, even getting to play for Team 8 (now JinAir) in Proleague. Despite being one, if not the best terran in the foreign scene, he failed to grab any worthy trophy losing time and again in semi final, but his great build crafting skills and top tiers micro make him a threat for anyone he faces.
Poll: Who is the greatest player?You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ MMA
☐ Special
Match 18: TY vs  Snute
TY: 1 WESG, 1 IEM Katowice, 2 GSL finals, 1 GSLvsTW final, the youngest player to ever get recruited by a Kespa team at just 12, he was held as the future great of BW, but it finally took a decade for TY to finally taste victory. Consider one of the smartest Terran player around he is known for his very intricate build order and timing attack.
Snute: 1 HSC, 1 Copa Intercontinental, 3 WCS final, 1 Gold Series final, the one to lead foreigners during the great Korean invasion of HOTS, he scored multiples victory over top Koreans player during his career. A master at drawn out game, he was the inventor of the swarmhost turtle style. Despite being held as one of the great foreigners he never was able to win a WCS after the region lock, finishing second 3 time.
Poll: Who is the greatest player?You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ TY
☐ Snute
Match 19: Maru vs PuMa
Maru: 4 GSL, 1 SSL, 1 WESG, 1 OSL, 1 IEM final. Both one of the youngest and one of the most experience SC2 player, at just 21 years old he as played since the first ever GSL tournament. Contrary to fellow youngling TY, he took just a few years getting to the top, winning OSL after a stunning 4-0 upset INnoVation in the semi final. He would then linger as a top 3 Terran players for years, consistently delivering in proleague and always impressing fans with stunning micro particularly in tvp, but it’s in 2018 that he would establish his dominance over GSL, winning 4 seasons in row, shattering all the GSL marks. Despite unprecedented domination in GSL, some remark upon his lack of consistent wins in weekender still remained.
He’s also half the reason I started this thing.
PuMa: 2 NASL, 1 IEM. Despite somehow never making it into code S or code A, PuMa became one of EG stars, having great success abroad with his innovative 1-1-1 build especially vs Protoss. His career ended perhaps too soon retiring at the end of 2012, only about a year and a half after his first televise match.
Poll: Who is the greatest player?You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Maru
☐ PuMa
Match 20 HyuN vs Dream
HyuN: 1 Dreamhack, 1 WCS AM, 1 GSL final, 1 MLG final and multiple top 4, a master of the roach style (sometime even to his downfall) HuyN first half of his career was spend in Korea where he almost stop the triumph of evil, his exile in the foreign circuit did bring him a lot of success, he was in the late stage of pretty much every tournament he entered, although contrary to other Korean great who went abroad like Polt, Taeja or MMA he was never quite able to be a consistent threat against the homebased Korean elite. Also, he can rock a pajama.
Dream: 2 SSL final, 1 IEM final, one of the greatest bio-mine players in tvz, his multiple amazing battle vs Life will forever stay as a mirage (or a….Dream) of what 2015 tvz could have been if Terran wouldn’t have gone on the Avilo path. It’s hard to not feel as he never reach his full potential but he still came very close as to win a Korean league.
Poll: Who is the greatest player?You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ HyuN
☐ Dream
Polls are open until Saturday may 4th around 8pm EST
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Canada8988 Posts
HyuN vs Dream and TY vs Snute are interesting one, the two others seems quite straight forward to me.
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MMA vs Special - Easy win to MMA
Maru vs Puma - Lol
Hyun vs Dream - Close but I don't think these players really will have a chance next round, and I think if they were matched up with some other ro64 that were eliminated (e.g. Scarlett) they would've lost
TY vs Snute - I think gonna be an interesting one, but I think TY will shade it
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Pretty straight forward round for mine.
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Hyun vs Dream. Lol. Who cares.
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Pretty sad Dream seems to get outmatched here by Hyun. Dreams pinnacle was just so high and his games when he was at his best were dazzling, Hyun does have lots of good result over a longer time but still.... Dream was so awesome.
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Actually I think in term of results HyuN is almost exacly the thirthy second greatest sc2 player, I think he would lose to everyone that wins here and win vs everyone that lose, except maybe the loser of MKP-Stats.
Maybe vs Naniwa, Scarlett or the loser of JD-aLive it could be close but I think HyuN was better than all of them overall.
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Bisutopia19154 Posts
Most importantly for Hyun was fight club!
he reached the Code S finals of the 2012 GSL Season 5 while simultaneously winning IPL Fight Club for 14 consecutive weeks
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On May 02 2019 18:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
Pretty sad Dream seems to get outmatched here by Hyun. Dreams pinnacle was just so high and his games when he was at his best were dazzling, Hyun does have lots of good result over a longer time but still.... Dream was so awesome.
That's true; unfortunately, unlike Hyun, Dream did not win tournaments .
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The player listed first was my vote for all 4 - MMA, Maru, TY, and Hyun. Wasn't too close this time
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Canada8988 Posts
On May 03 2019 01:07 Bagration wrote:
The player listed first was my vote for all 4 - MMA, Maru, TY, and Hyun. Wasn't too close this time
Make sense the favorite on paper is always the first one listed.
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Puma was actually pretty influential in his time. I could see it being a close match with Maru in some ways..
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On May 04 2019 19:01 Dave4 wrote:
Puma was actually pretty influential in his time. I could see it being a close match with Maru in some ways..
why does that not surprise me?
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