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On November 26 2018 04:20 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:19 yht9657 wrote:On November 26 2018 04:18 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:16 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 04:06 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:
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You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot  Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran  Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). On LoTV : Z 19 premier, P 18, T 16. And Z also have the highest number of runner up. You have to add up WoL and HoTS numbers; 8/19 Z's victories in 2018, 6 of which are Serral's. And 100% of Terran's victories in 2018 are Maru's, what the point ? I dont get it. Which means they are both good enough to be excluded from their respective races in balance whining sessions. Considering some players said that they have to archon to play like Maru I suggest to remove Maru from balance discussions at all
So what? I'm pretty sure it takes two people (who hate each other) playing archon to emulate my playstyle.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 26 2018 04:21 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:07 Rodya wrote:
Once again, Bunny played better than Serral the entire game until 4 medivacs got caught and then the game became virtually unwinnable. Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). The problem is that you can't look just at the victories. This way soO would be just an ordinary player while he was 2nd placing every GSL he met When I open the Premier tournaments on the LP I see plenty of zerg names there like Rogue, soO(the last year Blizzcon finals BTW), Solar, Dark. And in WoL we had Life, Leenock, NesTea, Sniper, Roro, DRG, Symbol I didn't mean to disrespect Dongraegu and Rogue and I don't want to say Zerg didn't exist in Korea, just that they somehow did not end up winning too much. soO and Dark are great but they are KONGS: so many defeats in the finals.
Oh no, even in the soO era they were not winning a lot. But plenty of them were runner ups and that was my point
BTW what's this twitch prime thingy doing for Take so much? Because somebody was screaming at me and I didn't like it. First of all I don't like being screamed at and second of all - i don't know what he was screaming about and got offended and trigerred
On November 26 2018 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:20 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 04:19 yht9657 wrote:On November 26 2018 04:18 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:16 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 04:06 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:[quote] Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). On LoTV : Z 19 premier, P 18, T 16. And Z also have the highest number of runner up. You have to add up WoL and HoTS numbers; 8/19 Z's victories in 2018, 6 of which are Serral's. And 100% of Terran's victories in 2018 are Maru's, what the point ? I dont get it. Which means they are both good enough to be excluded from their respective races in balance whining sessions. Considering some players said that they have to archon to play like Maru I suggest to remove Maru from balance discussions at all So what? I'm pretty sure it takes two people (who hate each other) playing archon to emulate my playstyle.
OK, then we remove you from balance discussions too, happier now?
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I never thought I'd see the day they put Luis Miguel in a Starcraft tournament
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aligulac gives maru a 99.8% chance of win vs Serral in a bo101. xD
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BTW what's this twitch prime thingy doing for Take so much? Because somebody was screaming at me and I didn't like it. First of all I don't like being screamed at and second of all - i don't know what he was screaming about and got offended and trigerred
CLICK ON THAT BUTTON
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Belgica34432 Posts
Love the dramatic Arthas dialog going into the upbeat Mexican music
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On November 26 2018 04:25 IshinShishi wrote:
aligulac gives maru a 99.8% chance of win vs Serral in a bo101. xD
So aligulac doesnt take into account the condition of the wrists, good to know.
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On November 26 2018 04:25 IshinShishi wrote:
aligulac gives maru a 99.8% chance of win vs Serral in a bo101. xD
And that's even without considering the fact that to play a bo101 you'd have to pull out a bunch of rubbish maps from WoL and HotS that probably favour terran a ton nowadays.
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On November 26 2018 04:25 IshinShishi wrote:
aligulac gives maru a 99.8% chance of win vs Serral in a bo101. xD
It gives Maru a 100% chance at 1001 games with the most likely outcome being 501 to 279-282 at 1.9% each. Neat
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 26 2018 04:26 virpi wrote:Show nested quote +BTW what's this twitch prime thingy doing for Take so much? Because somebody was screaming at me and I didn't like it. First of all I don't like being screamed at and second of all - i don't know what he was screaming about and got offended and trigerred CLICK ON THAT BUTTON
I would have to create a Twitch account first
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On November 26 2018 04:25 IshinShishi wrote:
aligulac gives maru a 99.8% chance of win vs Serral in a bo101. xD
What a korean fanboy.
And another proof that aligulac is bullshit.
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Well. This is not the tournament for me too learn PvT.
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I am so hoping for Innovation vs Serral. I love Bunny and get a Long with him super well but INno is current Champion - vs Serral - hoping he brings his a-game such as against Solar and a 7 map match and we all win Tonight. If we have a bad final I'll dieeeee D:
PS: ignore german Keyboard capitilization
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On November 26 2018 04:34 Mozdk wrote:
Well. This is not the tournament for me too learn PvT.
At least we learned that if u open with SG u die.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Demu's head is shiny, reminds me Khaldor. I miss him so much 
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Bunny watched INno vs Cure ?!!!
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So the only tangible result of the cyclone change is that proxy 2-rax reaper and some other cheeses have become more popular in TvT?
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EPT
