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naisu builds by inno, gonna use them a lot :D
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Hajin's voice is so done. Might have been a longer night yesterday.
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I don't mind this win hehe given zest's weakness to getting proxied he basically played the player. But also I can't deny that's strong af and I'mma use these on ladder :p.
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On November 26 2018 04:10 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:09 Bagration wrote:
TvZ is a best matchup in Starcraft - it is the quintessential It has always been that way 
WoL TvT > TvZ. Cyclones and proxy everything killed TvT for me. And the last phase of TvT in HotS was unbearable, when I remember some Terrans playing gazillion turret turtle style I still have nightmares 
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Actually 1 hour ahead of planning
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On November 26 2018 04:11 virpi wrote:
Hajin's voice is so done. Might have been a longer night yesterday.
Time to call MC as the emergency translator
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On November 26 2018 04:12 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:11 virpi wrote:
Hajin's voice is so done. Might have been a longer night yesterday. Time too call MC as the emergency translator
Solar is still there, isn't he? 
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"Few questions" --> One of the longest interviews :D
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Bunny has no chance vs Serral, inno probably doesnt either, but any is better than 0.
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On November 26 2018 04:07 JoeCool wrote:
I know that the TLPD has not been updated since two years but is it possible that Serral (would've) hit the highest Elo-Rating to date?
Really hard to gauge with TLPD but considering his winning streak it might be possible. Can't say I followed enough SC2 over the last years to give a more educated guess
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Serral vs. Inno would be sick finals. They're also pretty fast today.
Inno vs. Bunny should be finished around 2130 CET, then there'll be the fundraising segment. So finals should start before 2300 CET, which is nice.
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On November 26 2018 04:06 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:07 Rodya wrote:
Once again, Bunny played better than Serral the entire game until 4 medivacs got caught and then the game became virtually unwinnable. Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). On LoTV : Z 19 premier, P 18, T 16. And Z also have the highest number of runner up.
You have to add up WoL and HoTS numbers; 8/19 Z's victories in 2018, 6 of which are Serral's.
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On November 26 2018 04:16 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:06 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:07 Rodya wrote:
Once again, Bunny played better than Serral the entire game until 4 medivacs got caught and then the game became virtually unwinnable. Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). On LoTV : Z 19 premier, P 18, T 16. And Z also have the highest number of runner up. You have to add up WoL and HoTS numbers; 8/19 Z's victories in 2018, 6 of which are Serral's.
And 100% of Terran's victories in 2018 are Maru's, whats the point ? I dont get it.
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On November 26 2018 04:15 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:07 JoeCool wrote:
I know that the TLPD has not been updated since two years but is it possible that Serral (would've) hit the highest Elo-Rating to date? Really hard to gauge with TLPD but considering his winning streak it might be possible. Can't say I followed enough SC2 over the last years to give a more educated guess
How this would work for Maru and his domination in Korea? (and losing quite soon in every other tournament except WESG and Blizzcon) I'm asking because Maru was playing a harder opponents.
I don't want your guess, I'm asking if the system would favor a Maru v Dark(e.g.) win over a Serral v Mana(e.g.) win (I believe so but I would love to be sure).
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On November 26 2018 04:18 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:16 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 04:06 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:
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Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). On LoTV : Z 19 premier, P 18, T 16. And Z also have the highest number of runner up. You have to add up WoL and HoTS numbers; 8/19 Z's victories in 2018, 6 of which are Serral's. And 100% of Terran's victories in 2018 are Maru's, what the point ? I dont get it.
Which means they are both good enough to be excluded from their respective races in balance whining sessions.
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On November 26 2018 04:18 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:16 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 04:06 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:
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Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). On LoTV : Z 19 premier, P 18, T 16. And Z also have the highest number of runner up. You have to add up WoL and HoTS numbers; 8/19 Z's victories in 2018, 6 of which are Serral's. And 100% of Terran's victories in 2018 are Maru's, whats the point ? I dont get it.
Point is Terran MUST be OP. And Zerg Weak.
And if numbers don't prove it, the numbers have to be changed to prove it !
You can't just nitpick numbers to fit your narrative when it's obvious they don't...
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On November 26 2018 04:19 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:18 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:16 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 04:06 DieuCure wrote:On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:
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I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). On LoTV : Z 19 premier, P 18, T 16. And Z also have the highest number of runner up. You have to add up WoL and HoTS numbers; 8/19 Z's victories in 2018, 6 of which are Serral's. And 100% of Terran's victories in 2018 are Maru's, what the point ? I dont get it. Which means they are both good enough to be excluded from their respective races in balance whining sessions.
Considering some players said that they have to archon to play like Maru I suggest to remove Maru from balance discussions at all
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On November 26 2018 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 04:03 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:44 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:07 Rodya wrote:
Once again, Bunny played better than Serral the entire game until 4 medivacs got caught and then the game became virtually unwinnable. Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs ) The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018. In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran. Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment. Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke... Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran Given the average opinion here, smileys need to be properly answered. If you exclude Life and Nestea, korean Zergs in sc2 have been slumping forever(except for HoTS era)! Despite Serral's victories this year, Zergs have the fewest Premier victories out of the three races(not by much, it's pretty close). The problem is that you can't look just at the victories. This way soO would be just an ordinary player while he was 2nd placing every GSL he met When I open the Premier tournaments on the LP I see plenty of zerg names there like Rogue, soO(the last year Blizzcon finals BTW), Solar, Dark. And in WoL we had Life, Leenock, NesTea, Sniper, Roro, DRG, Symbol
I didn't mean to disrespect Dongraegu and Rogue and I don't want to say Zerg didn't exist in Korea, just that they somehow did not end up winning too much. soO and Dark are great but they are KONGS: so many defeats in the finals.
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so... rotti in place of elazer? that was unexpected
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Thanks to the subscription ambassador I did not forget to refresh my prime sub. o7
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