• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:14
CEST 07:14
KST 14:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion1BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion1Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch 60% Keyboards Viable for Starcraft?
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5328 users

[WCS 2018] Valencia - Last 16 - Page 10

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 34 Next All
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3698 Posts
July 13 2018 11:25 GMT
#181
"I'm confident against Serral" what a boss
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 13 2018 11:25 GMT
#182
On July 13 2018 20:23 Vedeynevin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:22 RaZorwire wrote:
On July 13 2018 20:19 HsDLTitich wrote:
Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers.


That's part of the problem.


So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead?


Don't bother with people who have faulty logic lol
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:25 GMT
#183
On July 13 2018 20:24 geokilla wrote:
Scarlett took 2 games off Serral? Wow


She actually had a 2-1 lead in the series!
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
July 13 2018 11:25 GMT
#184
On July 13 2018 20:25 MarthTV wrote:
Reynor has dropped two maps so far. One against Nercio and one against Denver.
So his ZvZ against Serral will be his biggest test.


He just said he's confident vs Serral.

Maybe just the nature of ZvZ.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
July 13 2018 11:25 GMT
#185
Man, you gotta love this kid. Serral vs Reynor will be tough. He's only lost maps to ZvZ.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
July 13 2018 11:26 GMT
#186
can't beat artosis curse
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:26 GMT
#187
On July 13 2018 20:25 CynicalDeath wrote:
"I'm confident against Serral" what a boss


Pretty refreshing after listening to everyone be terrified of him at austin
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 13 2018 11:26 GMT
#188
I am really excited at the idea of a zvz tomorrow
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
July 13 2018 11:28 GMT
#189
Harassment without destroying base is useless in some way,Maru Inno and Byun know the importance of destroying bases.
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
July 13 2018 11:28 GMT
#190
Reynor was so unlucky to meet Serral in the ro8, the bottom side of the bracket looks way easier
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:28 GMT
#191
On July 13 2018 20:26 stilt wrote:
I am really excited at the idea of a zvz tomorrow


Hey, this series is actually gonna get other people to want to see a zvz. Nice!
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
July 13 2018 11:28 GMT
#192
On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:

It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated


You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine.

The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up.

Whatever. I'm done here.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 13 2018 11:28 GMT
#193
Putting Reynor and Serral on the same side of the bracket is looking more forgivable now, it prevents a guaranteed ZvZ final. I don't see either of these guys losing to anyone else.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
July 13 2018 11:28 GMT
#194
I think DnS will make this bo5 very interesting.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
July 13 2018 11:30 GMT
#195
On July 13 2018 20:23 Vedeynevin wrote:

So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead?


The fact that killing 8 bases counts as minimal damage is depressing as fuck.
fededevi
Profile Joined April 2018
Italy45 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-13 11:34:31
July 13 2018 11:31 GMT
#196
On July 13 2018 20:28 BisuDagger wrote:
I think DnS will make this bo5 very interesting.


HeroMarine is looking strong lately, even if he had one of the easiest, if not the easiest group stages.
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:32 GMT
#197
On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:

It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated


You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine.

The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up.

Whatever. I'm done here.


Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
July 13 2018 11:35 GMT
#198
Alright guys, let's give the TvZ imba discussion a break. PvT is next, so unless you have something to says about PvT imbalance or something constructive to add let's go back to enjoying the games.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Nezgar
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany535 Posts
July 13 2018 11:36 GMT
#199
On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:

It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated


You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine.

The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up.

Whatever. I'm done here.


Well, going with the same kind of response that we usually get to hear from Terran fans:
Foreign Terrans just aren't as good as foreign Zerg and Protoss.
Or even better: Serral is a god. Neeb is a god. Mana is a god. Raynor is a god. [Insert random Zerg/Protoss winning a bunch of matches] is a god.

This is the source of the mockery, if you ask me. Every time a Terran does well, it has nothing to do with balance but rather because "this Terran is a just a god". Every time a Terran does poorly, we see a constant flood of balance whines to the point of even having ultra lengthy "discussion threads" posted here on TL.

It's toxic and tiring and trying to have a serious conversation about it has failed in the past. Making fun of it or answering in the same vein is the only thing left.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 13 2018 11:36 GMT
#200
On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote:
On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote:

It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated


You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine.

The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up.

Whatever. I'm done here.


Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol

I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc.

Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 34 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
23:00
FSL Team League S11 POG vs ASH
Liquipedia
OSC
22:00
Vespene Cup #1
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft669
PiGStarcraft409
Nina 46
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4420
Soma 86
ZergMaN 41
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm272
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 800
Counter-Strike
summit1g8687
Other Games
C9.Mang0324
Maynarde123
Mew2King47
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick30802
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 152
• practicex 33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt479
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
3h 47m
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
4h 47m
Afreeca Starleague
4h 47m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
6h 47m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
10h 47m
Dragon vs Ret
Patches Events
10h 47m
RSL Revival
1d 3h
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
IPSL
1d 10h
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.