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 WCS! 2018 WCS Valencia Streams & CastersFormat
Map Pool Fixtures & Results!![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4567.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4571.jpg)  Serral vs Scarlett![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/6252.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1173.jpg) Reynor vs  SpeCial![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/3374.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/liquibet/players/noimage.jpg) HeRoMaRinE vs  DnS![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/3250.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2834.jpg) uThermal vs Snute![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/5875.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2013.jpg) Neeb vs Bly ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4792.jpg) Clem vs ShoWTimE![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1771.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/3261.jpg) Nerchio vs Harstem![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/5971.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4919.jpg) Has vs Kelazhur + Show Spoiler [Bracket] + VODs!Click Here CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: WCS | ||
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jarodtou
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TheDougler
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DBooN
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€: Oh, I forgot he was second in his group. | ||
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Azhrak
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Mozdk
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How does he play ZvT? Is it the same? | ||
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Ej_
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On July 13 2018 18:17 Mozdk wrote: Serral plays ZvP like this. With roach/ravager/hydra multi pronged attacks. How does he play ZvT? Is it the same? The way you are supposed to: ling bane hydra into hive | ||
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Mozdk
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On July 13 2018 18:20 Ej_ wrote: The way you are supposed to: ling bane hydra into hive Well you are not supposed to play ZvP like he does. So he might play differently in ZvT too. I haven't really paid attention to that MU. | ||
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Ej_
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On July 13 2018 18:22 Mozdk wrote: Well you are not supposed to play ZvP like he does. So he might play differently in ZvT too. I haven't really paid attention to that MU. He plays normal ZvP, I think you've seen too few and too specific games :D | ||
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blunderfulguy
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Mozdk
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On July 13 2018 18:25 Ej_ wrote: He plays normal ZvP, I think you've seen too few and too specific games :D I watch all protoss games in the big tourneys. No one does what he does. They build the same units, but they don't do what he does. | ||
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blunderfulguy
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*A BREAK UGH | ||
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Ej_
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Poopi
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Scarlett is so funny, she can lose to random foreigners but also beat top ones. Is she the new HotS Snute, except for foreigners instead of koreans? | ||
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Fango
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On July 13 2018 18:03 TheDougler wrote: Aibht Scarlett, it's 3"00 AM here in Alberta. You got this. Crush this false god so I can sleep . Yeah seriously...and then I can wake up for Has :D. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On July 13 2018 18:39 Fango wrote: If Serral loses here he's gonna kill it at GSL vs the world. If he wins then I don't like his odds as much Winning causes losing and losing causes winning? | ||
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Kommander
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Fango
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On July 13 2018 18:40 Mozdk wrote: Winning causes losing and losing causes winning? Indeed | ||
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rotta
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Ej_
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On July 13 2018 18:46 darklycid wrote: I mean Scarlett winning this would be good for every non zerg Player in this Tournament right? Literally for every player, regardless of their race lol | ||
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Fango
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On July 13 2018 18:51 Ej_ wrote: Literally for every player, regardless of their race lol Not for serral! | ||
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Azhrak
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darklycid
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On July 13 2018 18:51 Ej_ wrote: Literally for every player, regardless of their race lol I mean if she Beats Serral her zvz seems to be good. | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 18:52 Fango wrote: Was Scarlett's target firing a bit off or do mutas just suck against roaches? A little column a, a little column b. He also had carapace, and armor upgrades are really good against mutas. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On July 13 2018 18:52 Fango wrote: Was Scarlett's target firing a bit off or do mutas just suck against roaches? I think the +1 carapace really helped. Mutas didn't have enough DPS to kill the roaches fast enough. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 13 2018 18:54 darklycid wrote: I mean if she Beats Serral her zvz seems to be good. She's beaten Serral before but ZvZ has always been a massive inconsistancy. Whereas Serral is almost always the best in the matchup (in wcs at least) | ||
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Mozdk
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Inflicted
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Ej_
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On July 13 2018 18:58 Inflicted wrote: Download completed Someone superimpose Serral's face on that M2K picture in Burger King crown. | ||
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Waxangel
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Kommander
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Elentos
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F I N L A N D S E R R R R R R R R R R R R R A L This makes the tournament less exciting though. | ||
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Vedeynevin
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Waxangel
United States33457 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I F I N L A N D S E R R R R R R R R R R R R R A L This makes the tournament less exciting though. it's down to praying for Serral vs Neeb | ||
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Kommander
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
You don't believe in Has cannon rushing 7 times? | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: S U O M I F I N L A N D S E R R R R R R R R R R R R R A L This makes the tournament less exciting though. I'd expect Serral vs Special/Reynor and the potential finals to be pretty exciting regardless. | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:01 Inflicted wrote: You don't believe in Has cannon rushing 7 times? The dankest timeline | ||
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Ej_
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On July 13 2018 19:01 Inflicted wrote: You don't believe in Has cannon rushing 7 times? 7 times vs Kelazhur, maybe. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
The king is still alive.  | ||
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Elentos
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Can Neeb finally play a decent tournament in 2018? | ||
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Vedeynevin
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blunderfulguy
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:04 Keeemy wrote: I can finally unclench. The king is still alive. Of course he's still alive, he's probably practicing in the JinAir teamhouse right now  | ||
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HotDOSBuns
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rotta
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raff100
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:07 raff100 wrote: Serral is so superior atm that dropping 2 maps looks like a loss To me, the fact that he was able to recover and come back from being nearly eliminated says a lot about his class and caliber as a player, more so than if he just won by sweep. | ||
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rotta
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On July 13 2018 19:07 raff100 wrote: Serral is so superior atm that dropping 2 maps looks like a loss Finnish flags at half-mast over here | ||
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RealityTheGreat
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Azhrak
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Penev
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WE need a tipsy santa wobbling around pic | ||
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Azhrak
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raff100
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droppanda
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coolprogrammingstuff
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So, I take it 'one of these matches isn't like the other'. I've come in at a good time, haven't I? | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:07 rotta wrote: Let's go Serral vs. Has! You mean Serral and Has will meet in final,dude? I think Has will go to Ro4 if he is lucky enough,but not final. | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1196 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:14 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: I'm a pretty casual watcher that watches on occasion and just showed up now... So, I take it 'one of these matches isn't like the other'. I've come in at a good time, haven't I? TvZ has generally been the best match-up, and now we have the best foreign Terran vs the hottest upcoming Zerg who just turned 16 and is eligible to participate in the WCS for the first time. | ||
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Waxangel
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Fango
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On July 13 2018 19:19 Waxangel wrote: I'm excited to see some 40 minute games -_-; I can't see SpeCial winning a lategame TvZ against anyone who's decent at it | ||
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Waxangel
United States33457 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:22 Fango wrote: I can't see SpeCial winning a lategame TvZ against anyone who's decent at it don't have to win to take it 40 minutes | ||
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Elentos
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On July 13 2018 19:22 Fango wrote: I can't see SpeCial winning a lategame TvZ against anyone who's decent at it Yeah but he's only playing Reynor so it's ok. | ||
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Fango
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Need to not lose between minutes 15 and 39 for it to reach 40 though. | ||
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Poopi
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D-light
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On July 13 2018 19:25 Poopi wrote: Does Special have a shot against Reynor? Yes. | ||
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rotta
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On July 13 2018 19:17 RealityTheGreat wrote: You mean Serral and Has will meet in final,dude? That's the dream. | ||
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Inflicted
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Ej_
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On July 13 2018 19:28 Inflicted wrote: Smartest Terran player is Neeb Um, Classic? | ||
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Yello
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Inflicted
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On July 13 2018 19:42 Kommander wrote: Special looking like Maru jeez He's going to lose in the end, so more like TY | ||
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MarthTV
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jarodtou
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Fango
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DBooN
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On July 13 2018 19:50 Inflicted wrote: He's going to lose in the end, so more like TY He's playing against Life after all. | ||
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Fango
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On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't. | ||
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Kommander
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On July 13 2018 19:51 Poopi wrote: Don't lategame as terran if you're not Maru Fixed that for you | ||
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Vedeynevin
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On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote: I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special... There was one point where they had both maxed and had equal banks, but it has been all Reynor from that point | ||
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Vedeynevin
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On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote: SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't. He never had more then a couple ghosts at a time. I think he kept making too much marine marauder and should have made more ghosts | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote: SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't. Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead | ||
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Fango
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Even Maru avoids lategame TvZ since the raven nerf. He's just good enough to reliably end his games with marines and tanks. | ||
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darklycid
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On July 13 2018 19:57 QzYSc2 wrote: insert zerg balance rant Fucking Bugs man. | ||
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Fango
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On July 13 2018 19:54 HsDLTitich wrote: Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran. | ||
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Ej_
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Tyrranids Go Home | ||
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Elentos
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On July 13 2018 19:59 Fango wrote: Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran. It's a good spot if you're playing defensive and amassing ghosts. It's not as good if you make marauders against brood lords though. | ||
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jarodtou
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=)) best comment so far. Rly currious how special/reynor will do against serral | ||
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RaZorwire
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coolprogrammingstuff
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Vedeynevin
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On July 13 2018 20:01 RaZorwire wrote: That was the most depressing game I've ever watched. It's so demoralising to know that you can kill 8 bases while taking zero damage and still be behind when going into the lategame. Hatcheries are cheap. The drones always lived. He never did that much damage. He was never really ahead. He went into the late game on even footing because he had a good eco, but then he kept making marine marauder instead of ghosts. You don't kill broods without ghosts. | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:00 Elentos wrote: It's a good spot if you're playing defensive and amassing ghosts. It's not as good if you make marauders against brood lords though. Thank you | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
On July 13 2018 19:59 Fango wrote: Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran. I meant, before the late game and during all the early and mid game Reynor has always been economically ahead, with more workers and despite the harrassment. I just mean that Special didn't deal enough damage with his early attacks, or Reynor just managed to keep his cool and got a better macro anyway. | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:02 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: Wait, WHAT? I had to brb. Reynor won that shit? Was it an amove where we vastly underestimated him, or a huge comeback? This just started so it must have gone on for much longer - must have been an epic comeback, right? He was never really behind, no need for an epic comeback | ||
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RaZorwire
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On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote: He was never really ahead. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. | ||
BisuDagger
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geokilla
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Zerg.Zilla
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Kommander
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On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote: I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? | ||
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mammuluk
Italy94 Posts
National proud Riccardino! | ||
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raff100
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Game 2 was just a stomp | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote: I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. Lol, Reynor had a solid worker lead until he hit 80 drones. Just because the terran attacks in several locations doesn't entitle them to the lead. Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He kept making marine marauder, so of course he lost to broods. The matchup is fine, the only disgusting thing right now is your bias | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote: As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? "It's ok that the game is imbalanced, because it was previously imbalanced in a different direction". God, I hate that logic. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote: As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:12 RaZorwire wrote: "It's ok that the game is imbalanced, because it was previously imbalanced in a different direction". God, I hate that logic. See the thing with your logic is, back then it was imbalanced, but now it's not. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote: As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs? X is not a problem because Y was a problem in the past. Great argument, mate. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19288 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:10 geokilla wrote: Reymor reminds me so much of Life omg He is very similar. What I like from Reynor is that he techs up really well. Sometimes I felt life just tried to win purely on ling roach (which he did very often), and maybe that's because he was just too good to need to tech. But Reynor plays tech focused very well and throughout that he's makes great use of lings from start to finish. | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:13 Fango wrote: Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other. Again, of course the lategame is unwinnable if you use your tech labs for marauders against broods. | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany323 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:12 raff100 wrote: Game 1 was really overhyped by the casters, but Special didn't ever outplay Reynor who was always high on minerals\gas Game 2 was just a stomp Wow i think completely different: Game 1 was an awesome game with a crazy lot of multitasking on both sides. I think just the unit combination of special made him lose. Or he should have dropped more with marines marauders in the lategame. | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote: I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map. This matchup is fucking disgusting right now. He may have killed drones, but he didn't enough scvs in the meanwhile. Reynor during those attacks was still ahead in workers, he just used that early economic lead to stomp him in late game. Casters just overhyped those attacks that didn't do enough (or Special didn't macro enough behind). Game 2 has just been a stomp as well. Reynor has always been in control. | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:12 Vedeynevin wrote: Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. Gotta admire Terrans, they're staying on brand. LOL | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. "One player is doing well so everything is fine" This logic is so bad. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 13 2018 20:15 RaZorwire wrote: He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were. Good ghost control can burn through a bank like that faster than you'd think. | ||
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darklycid
3515 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:16 RaZorwire wrote: "One player is doing well so everything is fine" This logic is so bad. 4 terrans ro8 Last gsl. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:14 Vedeynevin wrote: Again, of course the lategame is unwinnable if you use your tech labs for marauders against broods. You think I'm basing my points of one game? Terran barely win lategame ZvT since the raven nerf. That's why I said SpeCial would lose any game past 15 minutes. I'm not sure if it's worse or better than when zergs couldn't beat mass raven to be honest (balance wise), gods like Dark still won some lategames on that patch. | ||
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MarthTV
Germany387 Posts
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Ej_
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On July 13 2018 20:17 MarthTV wrote: SpeCial could have killed all those drones... But is Terran getting buffed then? I don't think so! | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:15 RaZorwire wrote: He wasn't in a spot to win, Reynor had a better bank, despite doing nothing but taking damage the entire game. Ghosts wouldn't have helped. The Brood Lords wasn't even the problem, the ling+bane+hydra split attacks were. I must have imagined that point in the game when they had equal banks and where both on 200 supply | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:13 Kommander wrote: See the thing with your logic is, back then it was imbalanced, but now it's not. Factually incorrect; the first few months of the year were so far the most balanced for TvZ, winrate wise. After that, it's been more Zerg favored. http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Terran whiners fuck off, Maru won 2 GSLs in a row. No one's saying it's impossible to win with terran. The discussion is quite clearly focused on lategame TvZ. Of which Maru didn't exactly dominate in his recent GSL win. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19288 Posts
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:18 Vedeynevin wrote: I must have imagined that point in the game when they had equal banks and where both on 200 supply I was watching Reynors bank, and he was far ahead when they maxed out. | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On July 13 2018 20:15 Kommander wrote: Gotta admire Terrans, they're staying on brand. LOL I admire their commitment at least | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:18 Fango wrote: No one's saying it's impossible to win with terran. The discussion is quite clearly focused on lategame TvZ. Of which Maru didn't exactly dominate in his recent GSL win. It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated | ||
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Special is great, but if he's not close to his highest level atm... well this kind of thing will happen. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:19 HsDLTitich wrote: Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers. Bear that in mind before whining during the late game ;p So yeah | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:19 HsDLTitich wrote: Look at this early attack again: despite the harrassments, Reynor is still ahead in workers. That's part of the problem. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote: It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You seem to be the one eager to turn it from an actual discussion to a whine/shit talking thread. No need to vulgur language, my points were clear, if you have an actual response to them I'd be glad to hear it. | ||
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So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead? | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:23 Vedeynevin wrote: So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead? Don't bother with people who have faulty logic lol | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:24 geokilla wrote: Scarlett took 2 games off Serral? Wow She actually had a 2-1 lead in the series! | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:25 MarthTV wrote: Reynor has dropped two maps so far. One against Nercio and one against Denver. So his ZvZ against Serral will be his biggest test. He just said he's confident vs Serral. Maybe just the nature of ZvZ. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:25 CynicalDeath wrote: "I'm confident against Serral" what a boss Pretty refreshing after listening to everyone be terrified of him at austin | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:26 stilt wrote: I am really excited at the idea of a zvz tomorrow Hey, this series is actually gonna get other people to want to see a zvz. Nice! | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:20 Ej_ wrote: It's not a discussion, it's a stream of whine and intelectual whine and feces polluting a live report thread, but I'm glad for your worhtwile input again, Fango, it's always appreciated You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:23 Vedeynevin wrote: So harass that does minimal damage should be enough to give terran the lead? The fact that killing 8 bases counts as minimal damage is depressing as fuck. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:28 BisuDagger wrote: I think DnS will make this bo5 very interesting. HeroMarine is looking strong lately, even if he had one of the easiest, if not the easiest group stages. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote: You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote: You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. Well, going with the same kind of response that we usually get to hear from Terran fans: Foreign Terrans just aren't as good as foreign Zerg and Protoss. Or even better: Serral is a god. Neeb is a god. Mana is a god. Raynor is a god. [Insert random Zerg/Protoss winning a bunch of matches] is a god. This is the source of the mockery, if you ask me. Every time a Terran does well, it has nothing to do with balance but rather because "this Terran is a just a god". Every time a Terran does poorly, we see a constant flood of balance whines to the point of even having ultra lengthy "discussion threads" posted here on TL. It's toxic and tiring and trying to have a serious conversation about it has failed in the past. Making fun of it or answering in the same vein is the only thing left. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:32 Vedeynevin wrote: Terran had 4/8 In the last gsl, was that a problem too? You are complaining about racial balance in a tournament with 5/5/6 tpz in th3 ro16. Thank god you are done, lol I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:31 fededevi wrote: HeroMarine is looking strong lately, even if he had one of the easiest, if not the easiest group stages. HeroMarine was my vote in the world vote too. He's definitely in top form. It's more just a feeling the DnS is going to bring his momentum into this match. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote: I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I'd be very glad if you could properly elaborate on why it's an issue that one race has an upperhand over the another in lategame, but maybe not here. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:35 BisuDagger wrote: Alright guys, let's give the TvZ imba discussion a break. PvT is next, so unless you have something to says about PvT imbalance or something constructive to add let's go back to enjoying the games. Buff protoss pls. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:28 RaZorwire wrote: You can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything about the game is fine as much as you want while every single foreign tournament is Zerg dominated if you want to, but I don't want to do that. I'm tired of every foreign tournament being so imbalanced and predictable and dull, and I'm tired of all the foreign Terran players leaving one by one because they can't accomplish anything. I'm tired of the community ignoring all this because Korean Terrans are doing fine. The discrepancy in racial balance between the korean scene and the foreign scene is a genuine issue with the design of the game, and it's so demoralising to see the community completely ignore it while mocking anyone who dares to bring it up. Whatever. I'm done here. It's not Blizzard fault if foreigners are not on the same level of Koreans. Despite what people are saying to get buffs to their own races, balance is quite good at this moment . | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:36 Fango wrote: I made this point to someone else but whatever. The issue is clearly with TvZ lategame being zerg favoured. How many of the four terrans in GSL ro8 had to face lategame TvZ on the way there? The zergs all went out to protoss iirc. Even Maru, the two time champ, lost the games that went long against Rogue and Leenock. He still won the GSL because terran is solid to good in other areas, namely fast tank pushes against zerg and midgame aggression against toss. I watched Maru beat rogue in the lategame last night. You know what won him the game? Ghosts | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:42 Vedeynevin wrote: Ok ok, tvp time. STORM OP Buff the amulet! | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:41 Vedeynevin wrote: I watched Maru beat rogue in the lategame last night. You know what won him the game? Ghosts Maybe he did, but GSL is a better indicator than streams. Maru lost in the lategames against Rogue and Leenock in GSL. Along with every other terran that's tried it in a premier event recently. Besides, this discussion is over apparently, at least until the next TvZ. HeroMarine is killing this guy. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:46 Fango wrote: Maybe he did, but GSL is a better indicator than streams. Maru lost in the lategames against Rogue and Leenock in GSL. Along with every other terran that's tried it in a premier event recently. Besides, this discussion is over apparently, at least until the next TvZ. HeroMarine is killing this guy. I missed g1, what happened? | ||
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Resonating glaives pressure w/ probe cut vs. cloak banshee into stomp. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:51 MarthTV wrote: I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct. Marauder good unit, that's why | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:51 MarthTV wrote: I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct. I think they should either be given cloak or burrow. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:53 BisuDagger wrote: I think they should either be given cloak or burrow. Blink. They need blink. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:51 MarthTV wrote: I faintly remember a protoss unit called "Colossus" in this matchup but I think those have gone extinct. Never heard of it, is it like a reaver? | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:54 DBooN wrote: We all know all they need is a headbutt. The best head to put on a Colossus' butt would be Tom Cruise's. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:55 BisuDagger wrote: The best head to put on a Colossus' butt would be Tom Cruise's. Tom Cruise has misaligned front teeth. This is deeply unsettling | ||
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On July 13 2018 21:12 Fango wrote: HeroMarine breaks into top 8 wcs with that. Considering his group stages and how DnS played I think Heromarine did not even had to try that hard... His match history for the wcs: DnS Namshar Seither Hellraiser NXZ Mamba | ||
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On July 13 2018 21:26 Noonius wrote: Now that Special is out, only ones worth rooting for are Has and to some extent Serral Code S God Reynor | ||
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On July 13 2018 21:30 Noonius wrote: I'm old enough not to get on every hype train. Plus there's so much zerg a man can take and still have some dignity left you could support the dutchies; thermy and H A R S T E N | ||
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On July 13 2018 21:30 Noonius wrote: I'm old enough not to get on every hype train. Plus there's so much zerg a man can take and still have some dignity left The best hype train of all time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/67421-its-march-3rd | ||
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On July 13 2018 21:33 BisuDagger wrote: The best hype train of all time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/67421-its-march-3rd who? | ||
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On July 13 2018 21:38 BisuDagger wrote: Think there was some TL collusion here? That maybe R1CH called in from his red phone and said "Alright guys, I've decided uThermal will win this team kill. This tournament needs a Terran hero. " TL would substitute TaeJa into uThermal's spot if they could | ||
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Scarlett taking 2 maps is impressive, Reynor keeps the hype train going and Big Gabe hast still not dropped a map. Really thought DnS would be very hard. | ||
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On July 13 2018 21:53 DBooN wrote: Is everyone gonna 3-0 except for serral? thought serral was supposed to be good | ||
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T H E R M A L | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I'm not loving that autoturret harass is back It is kind of dumb, but ravens need something or people just won't make them and that's worse. | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:23 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal should proxy 3 rax on 16bit,this map is too big. With a back natural? Seems ass. | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:38 Ej_ wrote: I'd be very glad if you could properly elaborate on why it's an issue that one race has an upperhand over the another in lategame, but maybe not here. This is coming from the #1 complainer about pre-patch Raven? Interesting | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:37 Charoisaur wrote: This is coming from the #1 complainer about pre-patch Raven? Interesting You can call me back when vipers can insta blow up ground and air units. | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:41 Pentarp wrote: Is it just me or does uThermal look like a younger, more skilled DeMuslim? Playing Terran leads to baldness. | ||
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In Europe. In Korea it leads to making sweet bank. | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:43 fededevi wrote: I want a photoshopped picture of a bald heromarine dancing | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:41 Ej_ wrote: You can call me back when vipers can insta blow up ground and air units. That came only into play in lategame. One race having an advantage in lategame over the other isn't a problem. | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:40 RealityTheGreat wrote: uThermal you still say you do not know Kungfu? Wat | ||
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Just a meme in China Community,uThermal often kill many workers with only one medivac's marines. | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:47 RealityTheGreat wrote: Just a meme in China Community,uThermal often kill many workers with only one medivac's marines. What does that have to do with Kung Fu | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:44 HolydaKing wrote: Neeb will probably have to 3-0 Bly if he wants to beat Reynor or Serral. Different play styles, Bly is cheesy, he will definitely take a map | ||
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A famous dialogue in film."Changfwei you still say you do not know Kung Fu?",Chinese fans often call uThermal "Changwei" | ||
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- Artosis, 2018 | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies" - Artosis, 2018 The BEST LATEGAME ZERG IN THE WORLD EVER lads. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:00 Durnuu wrote: The BEST LATEGAME ZERG IN THE WORLD EVER lads. let's not forget Dear, who lost a maxed out army and won | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:59 sneakyfox wrote: "Neeb is one of the few people who has EVER killed Rogue fighting with maxed out armies" - Artosis, 2018 With one probe lolololol | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:00 Durnuu wrote: The BEST LATEGAME ZERG IN THE WORLD EVER lads. Artosis could probably write that with even moar caps | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:01 Ej_ wrote: let's not forget Dear, who lost a maxed out army and won Dear's multitask and psistorm is the best of the world,but sometimes noob(Why he lose to leenock ahhhhhhhhh?). | ||
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-------- Bly find himself ----Cheese Bly:For money! | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:36 Boggyb wrote: Phoenix DT? Has Neeb been playing BW and been going Corsair DT? He's taken this build from the best. Rotterdam has been advocating for phoenix/DT for years. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:39 Lexender wrote: I know people love Neeb but I'm glad he hasnt been doing well this year, he plays a brand of Starcraft that it just so lame and bad to watch, always turtling to carriers mothership. Do you feel similar things about Snute? | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:36 RealityTheGreat wrote: Why Neeb's photo is truck?I don't understand(use TL from 2017 but not often) -------- Bly find himself ----Cheese Bly:For money! Because he need the fire truck to put out Bly + Show Spoiler + Honestly I think it's just that when he started playing TL had no picture of him so they put that instead | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:40 Kommander wrote: Neeb is playing with fire by not having storm He might have ignited Bly | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:36 RealityTheGreat wrote: Why Neeb's photo is truck?I don't understand(use TL from 2017 but not often) -------- Bly find himself ----Cheese Bly:For money! The picture is from a time where they didn't really have any good photos of him. And honestly it makes him way cooler. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Waxangel/WCS2013/America_1/neebtruck.jpg) | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:43 Lexender wrote: Snute never makes runs as deep as Neeb. Now HotS era Snute, yeah I did. Snute made two finals last year. He should have won Valencia. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:45 Boggyb wrote: Snute made two finals last year. He should have won Valencia. He's the WCS equivalent of soO. And the Defender's Landing game against Elazer was his equivalent to Zest vs soO on Yeonsu. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:52 Boggyb wrote: The defense almost looked decent for Bly until the observer shifted over to the main and showed a dozen Chargelots murdering everything. It was a respectable effort. He actually managed to bring the game from 150 to 110 supply down to 110 to 90 before his entire main disappeared. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:53 darklycid wrote: I mean Neeb wins but he doesn't look that convicning. bly makes games look messy for both players | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:52 Boggyb wrote: The defense almost looked decent for Bly until the observer shifted over to the main and showed a dozen Chargelots murdering everything. "Oh huh, Bly could hold this with good positioning and a ling flank from the 3rd" *pans to main* "Rip" | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:53 darklycid wrote: I mean Neeb wins but he doesn't look that convicning. Game 3 was a clown fiesta but games 1, 2, and 4 were pretty convincing. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:54 sudete wrote: Neeb has looked unstable all year, even when he won the Hangzhou tournament over hero and rogue I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote: I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. It was a 2-1 followed by an 0-2 in rematch. But regardless, unstable means unstable. He can be really strong but he hasn't managed to keep it up for any longer stretches of time. He can also look weak and bounce back impressively. | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote: I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. Imho Neeb is still the best foreigner after Serral, despite what form he is in | ||
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On July 13 2018 20:14 BisuDagger wrote: He is very similar. What I like from Reynor is that he techs up really well. Sometimes I felt life just tried to win purely on ling roach (which he did very often), and maybe that's because he was just too good to need to tech. But Reynor plays tech focused very well and throughout that he's makes great use of lings from start to finish. I also absolutely love his positioning in setting up engagements. Best player at consistently doing that since Stephano in my opinion.As you mentioned, watching the mini-map in Reynor games is so fun! On July 14 2018 00:03 raff100 wrote: Imho Neeb is still the best foreigner after Serral, despite what form he is in Possibly. But Reynor's beaten the 3rd and 4th best foreigners with authority this tournament (in my opinion) in Showtime and Special. I'd welcome a Reynor vs Neeb match (though I don't think Reynor will get past Serral). | ||
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On July 13 2018 22:52 AzAlexZ wrote: Different play styles, Bly is cheesy, he will definitely take a map LUL, See what I mean? | ||
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On July 13 2018 23:57 Kommander wrote: I mean, when you're unstable and still win over Hero and Rogue, that must still mean something. IIRC he also snatched a 2-0 series in GSL qualifiers over soO. He's unstable, but his unstable state is still better than most players' stable state. That's true, and it just makes me wonder why he has struggled this year to find the sort of consistency that won him 3 WCS and kespa cup. Maybe it was patch 4.0 that changed everything, but it just feels like he doesn't close out games the way that he used to - he makes so many risky moves and throws leads away more often nowadays. Not saying that he won't beat top players and/or win tournaments (and he already has this year), but he would have better chances with his solid style of old | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:04 TheDougler wrote: I also absolutely love his positioning in setting up engagements. Best player at consistently doing that since Stephano in my opinion.As you mentioned, watching the mini-map in Reynor games is so fun! Possibly. But Reynor's beaten the 3rd and 4th best foreigners with authority this tournament (in my opinion) in Showtime and Special. I'd welcome a Reynor vs Neeb match (though I don't think Reynor will get past Serral). I don't want to hype Reynor too much, so I won't be disappointed if he loses | ||
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It wasn't Bly being cheesy that won him a game. On July 14 2018 00:12 sudete wrote: That's true, and it just makes me wonder why he has struggled this year to find the sort of consistency that won him 3 WCS and kespa cup. Maybe it was patch 4.0 that changed everything, but it just feels like he doesn't close out games the way that he used to - he makes so many risky moves and throws leads away more often nowadays. Not saying that he won't beat top players and/or win tournaments (and he already has this year), but he would have better chances with his solid style of old His struggles early in the year were a product of how absolutely broken PvZ was. His losses since then were in PvP with his loss to Mana feeling like it came because he just wasn't respecting Mana. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:17 Boggyb wrote: It wasn't Bly being cheesy that won him a game. His struggles early in the year were a product of how absolutely broken PvZ was. His losses since then were in PvP with his loss to Mana feeling like it came because he just wasn't respecting Mana. Did something change in PvZ this year? The dropperlord nerf was the only thing I can recall. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:25 Inflicted wrote: SC is going to shut down for streaming live bullying Like the little italian bullying the big mexican? | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:46 Inflicted wrote: 1 medivac per marauder, Clem can't lose this Each infantry unit has its own personal medivac at this point Artosis! | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:48 CynicalDeath wrote: back from work just now... what happened lol? basetrade into a legit draw scenario, Showtime can't win the game anymore | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:48 Mozdk wrote: Stop fighting Showtime. You cannot win. A draw is a win for him. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:51 Mozdk wrote: He made 3 zealots. He could have made two zealots and a battery. Would be a sure tie then. He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:53 Elentos wrote: He had a battery the entire time. These guys are both having issues. An extra battery. It ran out a when he still had stalkers. | ||
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first neeb coming up ~3 years ago, then serral now we've got these two super young players in clem and reynor moving up and trying to take the spot of #1 foreigner what a game that was | ||
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All he had to do was repair the medivacs lol. After he killed all the stalkers and left Showtime with the archon and 2 nearly dead zealots. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:54 Mozdk wrote: An extra battery. It ran out a when he still had stalkers. He had a battery next to a cannon in the main the entire time so god alone knows why he was chasing 3 units around the map in a clear draw. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:55 Elentos wrote: KeSPA would have awarded him a def loss for typing "gg". KeSPA would have perma banned Showtime for using the emoticon when asking for the draw. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Polt would have won that basetrade. All he had to do was repair the medivacs lol. After he killed all the stalkers and left Showtime with the archon and 2 nearly dead zealots. Polt is the King of Basetrade | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:54 travis wrote: its so cool that so deep into the life of sc2 we still get new top tier players appearing first neeb coming up ~3 years ago, then serral now we've got these two super young players in clem and reynor moving up and trying to take the spot of #1 foreigner what a game that was Too bad Clem chose the worst performing race by far in foreign Starcraft, I'll love to be proven wrong by him to, its been so long since the times of Thorzain and Co. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:55 Elentos wrote: He had a battery next to a cannon in the main the entire time so god alone knows why he was chasing 3 units around the map in a clear draw. To break clem's mental | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? He can't kill Clem's buildings. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? He couldn't have killed the floating buildings of Clem (no flying unit) so it was an obvious draw with nobody able to win. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? They just replay the map. Showtime wasn't awarded the victory because he could never kill Clem's buildings. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? The objective is to kill all your opponents buildings. Neither of them could do that (Clem had no units and Showtime had nothing to hit flying buildings) | ||
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Showtime can't win cuz floating buildings. Clem can always theoretically win as long as he has a medivac and some bio. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 kongoline wrote: isnt 35k viewers a lot ? seems like sc2 might be getting a bit of resurgence of popularity. It's not a lot on the grand scale of twitch but it is better than last year | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Showtime can't win cuz floating buildings. Clem can always theoretically win as long as he has a medivac and some bio. Which means chasing Clem around the map was the only way Showtime could have lost. Also building and then cancelling a nexus in the bottom left made it impossible for him to win outright. | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? Because showtime cannot kill Clem's buildings. They fly and he has no flying units. A starcraft game ends when you've killed all their buildings, or when it's been a while since last units/building died. Since Clem was out of units, and showtime was unable to kill Clem's buildings, the timer would go out. Meaning a draw. They didn't bother waiting the 2-3 mins for that to happen, as it was the only thing that could happen. | ||
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Wouldn't make sense to count only building which are on the ground? | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 Lexender wrote: Too bad Clem chose the worst performing race by far in foreign Starcraft, I'll love to be proven wrong by him to, its been so long since the times of Thorzain and Co. Not saying this changes the fact that terran is the worst perfoming race in the foreign scene, but Uthermal did win a WCS event much more recently | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:57 fededevi wrote: How does the draw work? Why the victory was not awarded to showtime? ST can't destroy the flying buildings. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:01 Waxangel wrote: I can't believe Has wasn't involved in the dumbest game of the tournament XD Yet | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:01 Waxangel wrote: I can't believe Has wasn't involved in the dumbest game of the tournament XD Just you wait, I'm sure Has will find a way to top that somehow | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:00 fededevi wrote: I see, thanks. Wouldn't make sense to count only building which are on the ground? It would make more sense to just limit how long Terran buildings can fly without having to land. If you include only landed buildings, a Terran player could lose in a base trade situation while not attempting to force a draw which would be super dumb. (e.g., they are flying out all their production and the Protoss player wipes out their addons and supply depots leaving only flying buildings) | ||
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On July 14 2018 00:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's not a lot on the grand scale of twitch but it is better than last year Didn't shroud alone have 35k subscribers at one time (not even counting viewers per stream)? | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:05 LTCM wrote: Didn't shroud alone have 35k subscribers at one time (not even counting viewers per stream)? Shroud had 52K subscribers a few weeks ago. Ninja had a couple hundred thousand at his peak I think. But still, those are the giants. SC2 has been doing better lately which is good. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:01 Waxangel wrote: I can't believe Has wasn't involved in the dumbest game of the tournament XD But his game is still very dumb.lololol | ||
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Really didn't want to miss Nerchio and had to work until now. | ||
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whats a good composition against showtimes lategame army? seemed like clem had no real plan against it | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:15 travis wrote: showtimes decisionmaking in this game was pretty much perfect A complete turnaround from the draw. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:20 JackONeill wrote: To be fair to Clem playing against disurptor/tempest/strom is near impossible unless protoss makes a huge mistake How do you play vs that composition properly in the lategame? | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:23 TheLordofAwesome wrote: How do you play vs that composition properly in the lategame? Play like Maru. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Ok, these moves from Clem are pretty cool. Very similar to late HotS TvP. If only he were good enough to actually win games with it...... | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Ok, these moves from Clem are pretty cool. Very similar to late HotS TvP. Ya he has some nice move, sadly Showtime is to solid for this. Protoss are to good at defending multi drop these days | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:28 TheLordofAwesome wrote: If only he were good enough to actually win games with it...... He should have played like Maru. | ||
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How'd Serral/Scarlett and Reynor/SpeCial go? I was sleeping. :x | ||
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. God there's gonna be some great matches tomorrow. Serral/Reynor is shaping up to actually be a pretty good match. Like, beating Showtime and Special (not to mention Classic and Ryung) shows me Reynor's got what it takes to take on the best the foriegn seen has to offer. If that match is one sided it won't be because Reynor isn't good, it's that Serral is amazing. Neeb Showtime is a classic. uThermal vs Heromarine is the battle for Europe's best terran and might influence who goes to GSL vs The World since they're within 2% of eachother in that vote. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:36 Inflicted wrote: Perfectly balanced As all things should be. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:34 Soularion wrote: Clem is nice. If this WCS system stays for another couple years I can definitely expect him to be one of the top terrans. How'd Serral/Scarlett and Reynor/SpeCial go? I was sleeping. :x Serral vs Scarlett was surprisingly close at first but Serral played really well on the last two maps. SpeCial looked sick at first against Reynor but eventually couldn't keep up. Was quite one-sided | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:38 Boggyb wrote: We need Harstem and Has to win for the all mirror round of 8. And so we can complain about protoss | ||
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If only one Protoss made it to the 2nd group stage with all others being eliminated, someone would be complaining about Protoss. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. That series also had one of the biggest throws of all time. | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:47 Boggyb wrote: IIRC, Maru Has in IEM Gyeonggi qualifiers back in 2016 was a better draw. I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/z3lAFrc.jpg) | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:44 Boggyb wrote: If only one Protoss made it to the 2nd group stage with all others being eliminated, someone would be complaining about Protoss. Remember when 2017 used to be Neeb vs Z and vT, he's the only Protoss in the Ro16 | ||
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On July 14 2018 01:51 Nakajin wrote: I think we can all agree Stephano-Petraeus at Lone star clash 3 was the best draw + Show Spoiler + Stephano won that game though. | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:02 DBooN wrote: Cool play by Nerchio! Now onto the maps where 8-min-no-rush into a doom drop won't work :D | ||
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Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:03 Ej_ wrote: Now onto the maps where 8-min-no-rush into a doom drop won't work :D Maybe he has some other cool builds! | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:03 Nakajin wrote: Really? My brain must have erase that from my memories after the trauma of looking at locust headbutting in a ramp for an hour... They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho. | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:13 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Nerchio should build broodlords. on this map though, broodlords take a fucking year to get anywhere | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:04 Ej_ wrote: They awarded the map to Stephano, as not to prolong the tournament. I do not remember if he was actually any close to breaking through the locust waves of Platypus tho. Stephano would have won the game for certain in 2 hours or so. The outcome was not in doubt. It was literally impossible for Petraeus to make any headway and Stephano was steadily depleting Pet's mineral bank from like 7k down to 4k. Petraeus was super dead, it just took a really long time for the death animation to work. EDIT: Why is Nerchio building Ultras vs mass carriers???? How much do interceptors cost now? | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Stephano would have won the game for certain in 2 hours or so. The outcome was not in doubt. It was literally impossible for Petraeus to make any headway and Stephano was steadily depleting Pet's mineral bank from like 7k down to 4k. Petraeus was super dead, it just took a really long time for the death animation to work. EDIT: Why is Nerchio building Ultras vs mass carriers???? How much do interceptors cost now? 15 minerals | ||
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Thanks. Why doesn't Nerchio just mass static defense and start abducting? EDIT: Guess he doesn't need to. | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Thanks. Why doesn't Nerchio just mass static defense and start abducting? EDIT: Guess he doesn't need to. Looks like he prefers winning is enjoyable manner :D | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Thanks. Why doesn't Nerchio just mass static defense and start abducting? He really didn't have to do that, I would have given way to much time to Harstem to re-expend | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:23 darklycid wrote: B-But i thought that toss army is unbeatable. Well, did that army ever lose a fight ? | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:30 Penev wrote: It's just a regular year :/ nice jinx | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:33 DBooN wrote: huh? "Fucking forcefields." - Nerchio | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:35 Latr02 wrote: Have the noise cancelling headphones always been this big? These seem comically massive to me Naniwa spoke up about it one day, then everyone got bigger headphone to make sure to never heard him again | ||
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On July 14 2018 02:46 Nakajin wrote: Naniwa spoke up about it one day, then everyone got bigger headphone to make sure to never heard him again Gotta love getting booed off the stage because Polt did the same scv scout he did every single TvP on his stream Good holds from both players this game but gotta think Harstem regrets not taking down the 3rd or 4th | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:06 Waxangel wrote: Proxy Oracle until he thinks "he couldn't possibly be going Proxy Oracle again" Proxy an oracle then build a second proxy stargate after it's spotted Edit: nevermind, it's gonna be proxy robo into proxy oracle | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:17 MarthTV wrote: I love Has | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:18 Inflicted wrote: Why's Kelazhur still building SCVs He has to spend money somehow and SCVs can attack too :D | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:23 DBooN wrote: Kelazhur can force a draw atleast, right? Guaranteed draw the moment the last probe died, but he really should (have) win the game. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:24 Inflicted wrote: Has might be able to force a draw, Kelazhur can't really move out Did you really say that about a Terran? | ||
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If it wasn't for that viking | ||
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Blizzard improved its esport for sure | ||
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Like this: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Everyone please vote Has for GSL vs The World We need a full sOs vs Has series. It's too perfect. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:28 [PkF] Wire wrote: ha ha game of the year Back to Protoss?! | ||
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need to get back to sc2 first ^^ | ||
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Summer break | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side Love you Has | ||
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Penev
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side nice | ||
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Ej_
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side Well, fuck me. | ||
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chipmonklord17
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side | ||
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Has did it! | ||
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might go buy some cheese after this | ||
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Dudes games are hilariously entertaining. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:32 Inflicted wrote: Has is gonna take Kelazhur's gold from the other side Well played. | ||
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starkiller123
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On July 14 2018 03:41 AUGcodon wrote: has is pretty decent with micro on those one base pushes, it's weird how atrocious his stalker control was. Has has mind boggling bad micro and macro when it comes to an actual macro game | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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On July 14 2018 03:41 AUGcodon wrote: has is pretty decent with micro on those one base pushes, it's weird how atrocious his stalker control was. It's because he has terrible minimap awareness and reflexes. He's looking somewhere else when his stalkers walk into siege tanks and it takes like 5 seconds for him to react to the notification. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:40 sashkata wrote: Don't forget to vote for Has in GSL vs the World. Done Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:42 SuperHofmann wrote: People should stop making jokes about it and admit that he is the best at doing it, at a level that he can compete win anyone. I mean, he is probably the only player in the world that plays his own build, all the others are more or less equilize with the same style/build orders with just some exceptions here and there. He plays how he wants and it works. Fantastic No one is making fun of Has in this thread, just appreciating him for the truly unique and entertaining player that he is. All the comments like "I love Has" are not sarcasm, they're sincere. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:43 TheLordofAwesome wrote: No one is making fun of Has in this thread, just appreciating him for the truly unique and entertaining player that he is. All the comments like "I love Has" are not sarcasm, they're sincere. I was talking about the general perception that a Starcraft 2 fan has about him, not about this thread specifically. ^^ | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Done Pretty sick that it's a TL poll and not the official Bnet forums now. Not sure if I like it tbh, but nice for TL. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote: It's because he has terrible minimap awareness and reflexes. He's looking somewhere else when his stalkers walk into siege tanks and it takes like 5 seconds for him to react to the notification. For a pro obviously that's no bueno but he's still way faster than me on the map awareness | ||
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Ah but do you remember how last year they did the thing on the Bnet forums and it was completely broken for Europeans | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:45 Elentos wrote: Ah but do you remember how last year they did the thing on the Bnet forums and it was completely broken for Europeans Eh, Blizzard could've asked me. Starcraftstarleague.com doesn't affiliate itself with any involved parties. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:45 Elentos wrote: Ah but do you remember how last year they did the thing on the Bnet forums and it was completely broken for Europeans Yeah that sucked too! | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I don't understand, Kelzhur is proxying himself?? What is up with his building placement? Its called the Maka rax from the beta days. You "proxy yourself" to trick the enemy into thinking you're really proxying | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote: If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). How does that help Kelazhur then? | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:47 Ej_ wrote: Eh, Blizzard could've asked me. Starcraftstarleague.com doesn't affiliate itself with any involved parties. Don't even care about the Liquid players, but how mana Taiwanese and Chinse fans are using TL. Same for the Korean vote, it's basically foreign fans only voting on the Korean players... | ||
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It looks like a proxy if you are the Protoss. You would delay your natural and go around with a probe looking for it. Watch Stats vs Maru on Abyssal Reef from their GSL final to have a better idea. | ||
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You want to force an overreaction, i.e. Maru vs Stats on Abyssal Reef in the season 1 GSL finals. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:50 Elentos wrote: You want to force an overreaction, i.e. Maru vs Stats on Abyssal Reef in the season 1 GSL finals. Oh, ok. Has is doing really well in this game too. Did he kill Terran's 3rd? | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:54 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Oh, ok. Has is doing really well in this game too. Did he kill Terran's 3rd? Yes :D. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:55 Inflicted wrote: 4 bases and zero production from Has lol He's banking up to see what tech switch to do and what to warp in. It's a strategy popularized by Zest, a multiple GSL champion. Can you show some respect to the actual progamers? | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:46 Ej_ wrote: If the probe doesn't check your natural, but only main, it looks like a proxy. And it's basically free for Terran (almost no mining time lost by placing the rax and factory in your natural). And so the legends are true: Maka was 8 years ahead of his time. What a legend. | ||
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On July 14 2018 03:57 Ej_ wrote: He's banking up to see what tech switch to do and what to warp in. It's a strategy popularized by Zest, a multiple GSL champion. Can you show some respect to the actual progamers? Zestbank only accepts very limited clientele though | ||
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Fake cannon rush into fake proxy into actual proxy | ||
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S T R I D E | ||
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On July 14 2018 04:08 Penev wrote: it's S T R I D E That actually got me triggered aswell. | ||
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On July 14 2018 04:11 BretZ wrote: has holy shit you mad man. you're going to destroy the world with your cheese as vengence for all these years of people hating. please spare me Is that what that audio interference is? The beginning of the end? D: | ||
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STORM DROPS | ||
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CHINESE TAIPEIIIIIIIIIII | ||
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Has | ||
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HAS | ||
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Congrats Has ^^ | ||
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H A S | ||
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On July 14 2018 04:25 Gurbak wrote: i want an awkward interview with has trying to speak english plz Has doesn't do interviews, we're not worthy | ||
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On July 14 2018 04:29 Latr02 wrote: Reynor - Has final would single handedly save esports agreed with reynor saving the planet from cheese destruction | ||
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Poll: Cannon rushes in Has vs Nerchio? (Vote): 0 | ||
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On July 14 2018 04:32 Inflicted wrote: Poll: Cannon rushes in Has vs Nerchio? (Vote): 0 I think twice. | ||
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On July 14 2018 04:44 Boggyb wrote: I respect everyone who voted for Has cannon rushing 6 times in a best of 5. The cannon rush draw where there's only an extractor and a cannon left on the field | ||
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On July 14 2018 04:44 Boggyb wrote: I respect everyone who voted for Has cannon rushing 6 times in a best of 5. Gotta account for an extra cannon rush when he gets a draw in one of the games. | ||
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On July 14 2018 05:04 Nakajin wrote: Noooo I miss Has winning a series Don't worry, you can just load up the twitch VOD to see Has dominate Kelazhur in macro games. | ||
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Has!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Incontrol is always fun and great to listen to but Tasteless and Maynarde are really going for it. ToD's hair is the only major disappointment but you can't have everything in life. | ||
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reynor is really good, wow. im interested to see how he does against serral. edit: he said he's confident against him. wow | ||
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On July 14 2018 09:52 travis wrote: just went back to watch the reynor-special games reynor is really good, wow. im interested to see how he does against serral. He really did a thorough job vs Special. Not quite a bop but just cerebral and dominant play. Serral vs Reynor promises to be one of the most andticipated series of the year, and one of the most interesting storylines we’ve had in a long time. I’m really excited for the match because if Serral wins, he further solidifies his place at the top of foreign SC2 History. If Reynor wins, he topples the king and will likely tear through Heromarine/uThermal to the finals in his FIRST try. Just like making GSL Code S in his FIRST try | ||
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On July 14 2018 10:06 vult wrote: He really did a thorough job vs Special. Not quite a bop but just cerebral and dominant play. Serral vs Reynor promises to be one of the most andticipated series of the year, and one of the most interesting storylines we’ve had in a long time. I’m really excited for the match because if Serral wins, he further solidifies his place at the top of foreign SC2 History. If Reynor wins, he topples the king and will likely tear through Heromarine/uThermal to the finals in his FIRST try. Just like making GSL Code S in his FIRST try Royal Roader in the making | ||
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Reynor v Serral should be a good series. Would love to see Reynor take down Serral but as I've watched with Serral and Neeb last couple of years it usually takes the up and comers a couple of tourneys to learn how to handle the big stage. So I'm betting on Serral. I'd love to see a Neeb v Serral final. Neeb has not been as dominant last 6-12 months, but he has shown well in this tourney. Would be a great final. Hope uThermal can move onto semi's. The semi alone will skip him up into a top 8 position for WCS standings where he can qualify for Blizzcon. And Nerchio is the old school awesome salty pro, but I'd love Has to move into semi's. Has is awesome. My predictions Serral 3-1 Reynor uThermal 3-0 HeroMarine Neeb 3-2 ShowTime Has 3-1 Nerchio Serral 3-0 uThermal Neeb 3-1 Has Serral 4-1 Neeb Hate to admit it, but I don't think Neeb can take down Serral at the moment. | ||
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Serral 3-2 Reynor uThermal 1-3 HeroMarine Neeb 3-1 ShowTime Has 1-3 Nerchio Serral 3-1 HeroMarine Neeb 3-0 Nerchio Serral 4-2 Neeb But I hope I'm wrong and Reynor wins against Serral, if this should happen he'll have a good chance at beating HeroMarine/uThermal and a 50% chance to beat neeb. | ||
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