[WCS] 2015 Season 1 Europe Qualifier #3 - Page 100

On January 11 2015 02:12 Lorning wrote:

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On January 11 2015 00:52 AnexisVerdi wrote:
Russian streamers and and Russian sc2-scene . I hat it even more than you guys . I was banned from GOODGAME.ru forever by unmanner , but i cant keep it myself . They really unadekvate and awful players and people, who can only talk s*it . I was always been flamed by every Russian caster , every game , every time . I hate em so much .

They dont like my level of playing
They dont like who i am
They dont like fact of i still playing
They dont like fact of i win their favourites like Happy . They say like : OMG verdi is retard noob , he shouldn't win there .

It has been started on 2013 IEM Katowice , where russian caster ADOLF came me on interview and humilated me on public ( told he will figure out with clean hands , if i will no answer the questions on interview ) . It was a little bit earlier , after russian IEM-Casters flamed my 2-base style of playing , told that 2-base disgusting , unprofessional , shame of Russia .

I told like - f*ck you guys , i dont care of rus retards like Adolf . Than they came in katowice and humilated me , i lost after that cuz bad mental shape i had also got punishment by esl because it ( Russian casters made a cooperate request to esl for they punish me , ESL trustem THEM , NOT TO PLAYER ! ) /

After that there was a lot more situation .

For example next one is Battle of Four .
After i won the tournament 3-1 over Empire.Happy in finals , Empire.Stranger tryed of his best for admins not pay me my prize moneys . He told like " THIS GUY UNSPORTIVE , let's take he's moneys to Happy " . I just made some show after my win to my fans , nothing bm or etc. , and i got respond like this .

Expect of my personal sponsor Gerich , (Who is very respectful man in Russia at all ), Russian sc2-community represented not by Bad Manners or something , it represented by rats who ready to make a stab from back any time .

Things like stream-playing , maphacking and other is very compitent in Russia . From top-10 russia aligulac there are at least 6 players regulary doing this . I lost so many games to this guys , and that never ends . It will be always so . Get care when u deal with Russian-sc2 scene .

And most dangerous in this in my opinion about dealing with is

Sc2tv.ru ( Adolf , Alex007 and other streamer connected with )
Goodgame.ru ( unrespect to players who stream for their portal for 3 years , banned me and flaming every stream )
p.s. currently i streaming on twitch
Empire.Stranger of himself And EmpireTV For sure
And any other player and person , who u dont know personally , will be always under risk of back-play .

So i really respect Naniwa for he's such a decent behaviour yesterday . That the thing unprofessional Rus-sc2-scene deserve



P.S. most part of my bad-manner and Nothing-to-lose behaviour is belong to Russian Scene , which made from young wc3-player Verdi - derelict of last instance in sc2 .

On January 11 2015 02:47 Gothic wrote:


So? Can be read as "they have 0 delay and you have sound on. So dirty". It IS a dirty situation, or would you argue those are clean, fair conditions? Seems to me he still doesn't point a finger directly at Happy; but more at the situation, the streamers and possibly Happy in case he used it to his advantage. Quite far from the level Happy himself stooped to on twitter afterwards.

On January 11 2015 02:59 Lorning wrote:

Thanks for reminding me how delusional NaNiwa fanboys are. Almost as bad as Stephano fanboys

On January 11 2015 03:45 Gothic wrote:


Thanks for not responding to the points I make, but instead using personal insults as a debating technique. Seems to be the theme for some people.

On January 11 2015 03:50 Lorning wrote:

Cause there's no point in arguing with you if even can't even see NaNiwa's mistakes. You're trying everything to defend him, yet it's obvious as fuck that he's in the wrong here calling Happy a cheater.

And stop saying NaNiwa wasn't accusing Happy of cheating. It was very clear.

Same shit with that "offensive handshake"

On January 11 2015 04:30 Gothic wrote:


I'm not doing everything I can to defend him. He's said some stuff that I found very offensive too; especially some stuff he said to opponents while laddering, so I know he has been a douche on occation. Still, I go by what I see in the now, in this instance. Just as you can't live on old merits, you also should not judge a person based on old "merits". Just for a moment, forget about handshakes and probe rushes and whatnot, and see THIS situation. Just because someone is rude or seen as a douche from earlier, it doesn't mean that they can't be right in a certain situation.

Now, if you can see that, let me ask you this: How is it "obvious as fuck" that Naniwa was in the wrong here, even if he did call Happy a cheater? (I agree he implied it, even if not directly) How do you know that Happy didn't listen in on the 0 delay Russian stream? The fact that Messioso admitted the mistake on the admin's part to allow the stream, and directly stating Naniwa was in his right to complain? Also, did you read Verdi's post up above that supports Naniwa's worries of how common that kind of cheating is on the Russian scene? I don't think one should generalize, and I agree Naniwa could've been slightly more tactful in his comment about it, but seriously.. how are you tactful about suspecting someone of cheating? He had to say something quickly or accept the situation as it was - and he was right that the situation was dirty. It was a high pressure situation, it was not an official forum, and there was the connection of the 0 delay stream being Russian.

All this, to me, seems that in this case Naniwa was in the right, and I can understand him being upset considering what was at stake. Happy could have understood the concerns and just said sorry on behalf of his countrymen streamers and assured Naniwa that he hadn't taken advantage of it. Instead he lashed out a 100 times worse with personal insults and name calling on twitter.

So why are we bashing Naniwa again?

EDIT: Info Naniwa got from his friends on Skype was 0 delay, so no matter what the case was, he spoke up based on the info he had and he even cited the source in the lobby chat.

On January 11 2015 05:02 Alex007 wrote:
Gothic, I haven't written anything about you or anybody else "insulting" russians except NaNiwa, who was really rude yesterday in lobby (as almost always). If Johan was really interested in delay, he could easily turn on the stream on TL after the game and ensure that there was a delay, large enough to prevent stream cheating etc. He was just mad and it's quite sad that casters and viewers were the ones (sort of) punished in the end, but not Nani himself.