EPTOn November 30 2014 05:53 era909 wrote:
I think this way to do it is fair in any tournament where you have group stages to determine the brackets for the knockout stages. Since placement in brackets depends on which players you face in the group stages it's impossible to make it "fair" in the sense that you get two chances to lose before you're out.
Let's look at a hypothetical scenario where Polt won his two games in the winners bracket and advanced to the grand finals. There he comes up against Taeja.
Both players won two games and lost two games in the group stages, and neither lost a game in the knockout stages, but since Taeja had a different group his two wins earned him a place in the losers bracket instead. Now when they reach the finals it's Polt with 4-2 in wins-losses and Taeja with 7-2 in wins-losses. Is it then fair that Polt starts with an advantage because he had a more even group in the group stages?
If you do a pure double elimination bracket with no group stages to determine seeds further into the bracket, then I'm okay with a slight advantage for the player going through the winners bracket all the way, because the player from the losers bracket plays at most one more game to get to the finals.
If you have a group stages there is no way to make it fair anyway and I'd prefer a straight up finals to determine the winner.
I think this way to do it is fair in any tournament where you have group stages to determine the brackets for the knockout stages. Since placement in brackets depends on which players you face in the group stages it's impossible to make it "fair" in the sense that you get two chances to lose before you're out.
Let's look at a hypothetical scenario where Polt won his two games in the winners bracket and advanced to the grand finals. There he comes up against Taeja.
Both players won two games and lost two games in the group stages, and neither lost a game in the knockout stages, but since Taeja had a different group his two wins earned him a place in the losers bracket instead. Now when they reach the finals it's Polt with 4-2 in wins-losses and Taeja with 7-2 in wins-losses. Is it then fair that Polt starts with an advantage because he had a more even group in the group stages?
If you do a pure double elimination bracket with no group stages to determine seeds further into the bracket, then I'm okay with a slight advantage for the player going through the winners bracket all the way, because the player from the losers bracket plays at most one more game to get to the finals.
If you have a group stages there is no way to make it fair anyway and I'd prefer a straight up finals to determine the winner.
Very nice explanation, well done!
