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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 29 2014 20:56 GMT
#2641
On November 30 2014 05:56 kaykoose wrote:
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On November 30 2014 05:52 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:50 kaykoose wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:49 Gotnerves wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:47 vult wrote:
1-0 in a bo7 for the WB winner is the best solution in the least amount of games. I think the most optimal solution is 2-0 I'm Bo9 but that's a lot of games. That way the LB player has to win a BO5 and a BO3 to win the tourney pretty much.



Patriots should have started up 14-0 against the Giants the Year they never lost a game.


I wish TT. Just brought back some bad memories

I was happy


Haha I'm sure every non-Pats fan was super hype.

I know like, nothing about Football, but whoever I'm rooting for in the Superbowl always seems to win :D
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
November 29 2014 20:57 GMT
#2642
On November 30 2014 05:55 Makro wrote:
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On November 30 2014 05:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
LDLC up 1-0 with a 16-10 round score, good day for French fans everywhere :D

Forgg and LDLC in final, with luffy finishing 4th on USF4, what a great day for me


Luffy finishing in 4th place makes me the most excited. The Rose abuse :D
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 29 2014 20:57 GMT
#2643
On November 30 2014 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
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On November 30 2014 05:55 sparklyresidue wrote:
How is ForGG so good now? I demand an explanation!

He made lots of hellions and killed everyone! It makes no sense! :D

Who are you rooting for?
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Gotnerves
Profile Joined August 2012
56 Posts
November 29 2014 20:57 GMT
#2644
On November 30 2014 05:56 kaykoose wrote:
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On November 30 2014 05:52 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:50 kaykoose wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:49 Gotnerves wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:47 vult wrote:
1-0 in a bo7 for the WB winner is the best solution in the least amount of games. I think the most optimal solution is 2-0 I'm Bo9 but that's a lot of games. That way the LB player has to win a BO5 and a BO3 to win the tourney pretty much.



Patriots should have started up 14-0 against the Giants the Year they never lost a game.


I wish TT. Just brought back some bad memories

I was happy


Haha I'm sure every non-Pats fan was super hype.


"The Catch" on NFL forums was the equivalent of cheese on SC2 forums.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 29 2014 20:57 GMT
#2645
Nearly time

To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#2646
Ok, joining this one to see ForGG either lose or see Life fail his usual BS.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
941 Posts
November 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#2647
On November 30 2014 05:51 Cricketer12 wrote:
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On November 30 2014 05:44 Gotnerves wrote:
Playing Campaign for practice helped life beat taeja.

#campaign new meta, protoss will never lose a dramhick soon


"dramhick"

Nah "Dramhack" is better.
:3
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 20:59:10
November 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#2648
I have returned from my near -30 adventure. It's cold.

Glad to see the finals haven't started yet
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#2649
On November 30 2014 05:53 era909 wrote:
I think this way to do it is fair in any tournament where you have group stages to determine the brackets for the knockout stages. Since placement in brackets depends on which players you face in the group stages it's impossible to make it "fair" in the sense that you get two chances to lose before you're out.

Let's look at a hypothetical scenario where Polt won his two games in the winners bracket and advanced to the grand finals. There he comes up against Taeja.

Both players won two games and lost two games in the group stages, and neither lost a game in the knockout stages, but since Taeja had a different group his two wins earned him a place in the losers bracket instead. Now when they reach the finals it's Polt with 4-2 in wins-losses and Taeja with 7-2 in wins-losses. Is it then fair that Polt starts with an advantage because he had a more even group in the group stages?

If you do a pure double elimination bracket with no group stages to determine seeds further into the bracket, then I'm okay with a slight advantage for the player going through the winners bracket all the way, because the player from the losers bracket plays at most one more game to get to the finals.

If you have a group stages there is no way to make it fair anyway and I'd prefer a straight up finals to determine the winner.


Interesting.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 21:01:02
November 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#2650
On November 30 2014 05:52 Lonyo wrote:
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On November 30 2014 05:48 Superbanana wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:46 shockaslim wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:44 Superbanana wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:41 Lonyo wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:39 Superbanana wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:37 mikumegurine wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:35 Superbanana wrote:
I think its more unfair to give any sort of advantage to the winners bracket grand finalist :/
Imagine if its Taeja advancing, if forGG wins with any advantage its really hard to say he is the better player.


the winner bracket guy never lost, why does Taeja get 2 lives, but ForGG only gets 1 life (because hes so good he never lost, he only gets 1 life, everyone else get 2 lives)?

But he had to win less series.
The logic of the format is to narrow down to the best 2 players and make them play one series fair and square to decide the champion.

The logic of the format is that you get 2 chances to be eliminated. The person who makes it to the end without being eliminated twice is the winner.
If you do an ACTUAL double elimination tournament, that is.

This format is designed to be a mess where not getting eliminated doesn't really benefit you.

If you give one extra life to forGG, then its unfair that Life had to beat Taeja in the losers bracket.
But i do agree the format is a mess.


Not necessarily. Life already lost...so why should ForGG only lose once and be out?

I already explained, if forGG have an extra life then its unfair that Life had to win an extra series vs Taeja.
Its ALSO unfair that forGG have a single life, but giving him an extra life is not a fix.

Yes it is. Giving him an extra life makes it a pure double elimination tournament. That's the point. You have to be eliminated twice. Giving him an extra life makes it fair.
The reason Life had to win a series vs Taeja is because he lost to ForGG.

Double elimination. You need to lose twice to be eliminated.
Single elimination. You need to lose once to be eliminated.

Life: Lost once so far, loses again and he's eliminated. Double elimination.
ForGG: Not lost so far, loses once and he's eliminated. Single elimination.

Therefore IT'S UNFAIR. By failing to lose, ForGG plays a single elimination tournament while everyone else plays a double elimination tournament.

Well, its not a pure double elimination tournament.
The losers bracket forces the player to play extra series, don't pretent its not relevant :/
It could be Polt in the place of forGG, he lost 2 series in group stages, it could be Taeja in place of Life, he played 3 extra BO5s...
And i already agreed its unfair in my previous post, i said its not a fix to give him an extra life
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#2651
On November 30 2014 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
Ok, joining this one to see ForGG either lose or see Life fail his usual BS.

Go back to doto pls
Hello
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 29 2014 20:59 GMT
#2652
On November 30 2014 05:58 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I have returned from my near -30 adventure. It's cold.

I hate this cold weather. I'm not even trying to leave it next year is the funny part tho.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
November 29 2014 20:59 GMT
#2653
On November 30 2014 05:58 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I have returned from my near -30 adventure. It's cold.

Glad to see the finals haven't started yet

where were you?
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 29 2014 20:59 GMT
#2654
What if Park Ji Soo says he's not like the others?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Gotnerves
Profile Joined August 2012
56 Posts
November 29 2014 20:59 GMT
#2655
On November 30 2014 05:58 Starecat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 05:51 Cricketer12 wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:44 Gotnerves wrote:
Playing Campaign for practice helped life beat taeja.

#campaign new meta, protoss will never lose a dramhick soon


"dramhick"

Nah "Dramhack" is better.


I feel like protoss was really strong like all of last year for them to get buffed again already. Nerf Campaign!
haplo34
Profile Joined November 2014
France7 Posts
November 29 2014 20:59 GMT
#2656
LDLC and Life in the finals, I'm soooo happy but how can I watch both series at the same time ? x)
Life is love, Life is life. (and he always finds a fkin way)
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 29 2014 21:00 GMT
#2657
On November 30 2014 05:58 Keeemy wrote:
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On November 30 2014 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
Ok, joining this one to see ForGG either lose or see Life fail his usual BS.

Go back to doto pls


Don't know why people say this.

Dota is fucking hard man, I always get wrecked by faceless void every game
Zerg for Life
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 29 2014 21:00 GMT
#2658
On November 30 2014 05:58 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I have returned from my near -30 adventure. It's cold.

Glad to see the finals haven't started yet


That's what you get for not living in Vancouver.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46432 Posts
November 29 2014 21:00 GMT
#2659
Grand Finals time
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 29 2014 21:00 GMT
#2660
On November 30 2014 05:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
On November 30 2014 05:55 sparklyresidue wrote:
How is ForGG so good now? I demand an explanation!

He made lots of hellions and killed everyone! It makes no sense! :D

Who are you rooting for?

Probably Life
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