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On November 30 2014 05:36 KelsierSC wrote: I am much happier that the final is just a straight up b07 without life having to win like 8 games to take the title.
it is much more exciting for the fans.
I guess that is more important for the company organizing the tournament, but it is not the fairest way to determine a winner.
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Well I'll just say I'm not agreeing with this system. Rather see either single elimination or a reasonable advantage for the player that could basically have already won the tournament if it was single elimination. Personally I even think a 2-0 advantage is better than a 1-0 advantage in a bo7, but nothing is just wrong for me.
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lol, IPL4, so heartbreaking...
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On November 30 2014 05:39 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:37 mikumegurine wrote:On November 30 2014 05:35 Superbanana wrote: I think its more unfair to give any sort of advantage to the winners bracket grand finalist :/ Imagine if its Taeja advancing, if forGG wins with any advantage its really hard to say he is the better player. the winner bracket guy never lost, why does Taeja get 2 lives, but ForGG only gets 1 life (because hes so good he never lost, he only gets 1 life, everyone else get 2 lives)? But he had to win less series. The logic of the format is to narrow down to the best 2 players and make them play one series fair and square to decide the champion. The logic of the format is that you get 2 chances to be eliminated. The person who makes it to the end without being eliminated twice is the winner. If you do an ACTUAL double elimination tournament, that is.
This format is designed to be a mess where not getting eliminated doesn't really benefit you. It's double elimination except if you don't get eliminated it's single elimination. GJ.
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On November 30 2014 05:40 Supersamu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:36 KelsierSC wrote: I am much happier that the final is just a straight up b07 without life having to win like 8 games to take the title.
it is much more exciting for the fans. I guess that is more important for the company organizing the tournament, but it is not the fairest way to determine a winner.
seems fair to me
again it is people's opinion really.
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On November 30 2014 05:33 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:32 KelsierSC wrote:On November 30 2014 05:30 Lonyo wrote:On November 30 2014 05:22 KelsierSC wrote: player from the winner's bracket has the advantage because they play one less bo5
no other advantages necessary.
In NFL playoffs the top seed doesn't start the game 7-0, they just didn't have to play wild card week. You can play more individual games going through winners bracket even if you play fewer series, so the argument is not particularly helpful, since the number of games you play is variable. but you play less series, less opponents and are more likely better rested etc. Plus he got to see exactly how Life played against Taeja...that kind of intel is really important.
He already beat him so that point is kind of moot.
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On November 30 2014 05:40 HolydaKing wrote: Well I'll just say I'm not agreeing with this system. Rather see either single elimination or a reasonable advantage for the player that could basically have already won the tournament if it was single elimination. Personally I even think a 2-0 advantage is better than a 1-0 advantage in a bo7, but nothing is just wrong for me.
2-0 advantage is a Bo7 is stupid. It mean that the loser has to go 4-1, which gives the winner too much space to take risks.
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Playing Campaign for practice helped life beat taeja.
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On November 30 2014 05:41 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:39 Superbanana wrote:On November 30 2014 05:37 mikumegurine wrote:On November 30 2014 05:35 Superbanana wrote: I think its more unfair to give any sort of advantage to the winners bracket grand finalist :/ Imagine if its Taeja advancing, if forGG wins with any advantage its really hard to say he is the better player. the winner bracket guy never lost, why does Taeja get 2 lives, but ForGG only gets 1 life (because hes so good he never lost, he only gets 1 life, everyone else get 2 lives)? But he had to win less series. The logic of the format is to narrow down to the best 2 players and make them play one series fair and square to decide the champion. The logic of the format is that you get 2 chances to be eliminated. The person who makes it to the end without being eliminated twice is the winner. If you do an ACTUAL double elimination tournament, that is. This format is designed to be a mess where not getting eliminated doesn't really benefit you. If you give one extra life to forGG, then its unfair that Life had to beat Taeja in the losers bracket. But i do agree the format is a mess.
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On November 30 2014 05:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:40 HolydaKing wrote: Well I'll just say I'm not agreeing with this system. Rather see either single elimination or a reasonable advantage for the player that could basically have already won the tournament if it was single elimination. Personally I even think a 2-0 advantage is better than a 1-0 advantage in a bo7, but nothing is just wrong for me. 2-0 advantage is a Bo7 is stupid. It mean that the loser has to go 4-1, which gives the winner too much space to take risks. Yeah I guess if it was Bo9 then 2-0. You are right, but anyway for most fair play I prefer 2 Bo3 where the winner bracket player just needs to win one, the loser two. Had that often in Wc3, but people complained about too few games.
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On November 30 2014 05:44 Gotnerves wrote: Playing Campaign for practice helped life beat taeja. Kerrigan ruined everything this tournament -.-
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On November 30 2014 05:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:40 HolydaKing wrote: Well I'll just say I'm not agreeing with this system. Rather see either single elimination or a reasonable advantage for the player that could basically have already won the tournament if it was single elimination. Personally I even think a 2-0 advantage is better than a 1-0 advantage in a bo7, but nothing is just wrong for me. 2-0 advantage is a Bo7 is stupid. It mean that the loser has to go 4-1, which gives the winner too much space to take risks.
What are risks in a game of starcraft 2? You always aim for maximizing your winning chances in each particular game, aren't you?
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How about we see it as a double elimination tournament that lets two players to qualify for one who's-the-best best of 7 grand final. You have two chances to make it, and one player just happens to not drop a series. Seems totally reasonable to me.
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On November 30 2014 05:44 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:41 Lonyo wrote:On November 30 2014 05:39 Superbanana wrote:On November 30 2014 05:37 mikumegurine wrote:On November 30 2014 05:35 Superbanana wrote: I think its more unfair to give any sort of advantage to the winners bracket grand finalist :/ Imagine if its Taeja advancing, if forGG wins with any advantage its really hard to say he is the better player. the winner bracket guy never lost, why does Taeja get 2 lives, but ForGG only gets 1 life (because hes so good he never lost, he only gets 1 life, everyone else get 2 lives)? But he had to win less series. The logic of the format is to narrow down to the best 2 players and make them play one series fair and square to decide the champion. The logic of the format is that you get 2 chances to be eliminated. The person who makes it to the end without being eliminated twice is the winner. If you do an ACTUAL double elimination tournament, that is. This format is designed to be a mess where not getting eliminated doesn't really benefit you. If you give one extra life to forGG, then its unfair that Life had to beat Taeja in the losers bracket. But i do agree the format is a mess.
Not necessarily. Life already lost...so why should ForGG only lose once and be out?
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On November 30 2014 05:45 Supersamu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 30 2014 05:40 HolydaKing wrote: Well I'll just say I'm not agreeing with this system. Rather see either single elimination or a reasonable advantage for the player that could basically have already won the tournament if it was single elimination. Personally I even think a 2-0 advantage is better than a 1-0 advantage in a bo7, but nothing is just wrong for me. 2-0 advantage is a Bo7 is stupid. It mean that the loser has to go 4-1, which gives the winner too much space to take risks. What are risks in a game of starcraft 2? You always aim for maximizing your winning chances in each particular game, aren't you?
BO1s are always more volatile because of cheese and unpredictable, tough to scout aggressive builds. Same logic applies.
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On November 30 2014 05:44 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:41 Lonyo wrote:On November 30 2014 05:39 Superbanana wrote:On November 30 2014 05:37 mikumegurine wrote:On November 30 2014 05:35 Superbanana wrote: I think its more unfair to give any sort of advantage to the winners bracket grand finalist :/ Imagine if its Taeja advancing, if forGG wins with any advantage its really hard to say he is the better player. the winner bracket guy never lost, why does Taeja get 2 lives, but ForGG only gets 1 life (because hes so good he never lost, he only gets 1 life, everyone else get 2 lives)? But he had to win less series. The logic of the format is to narrow down to the best 2 players and make them play one series fair and square to decide the champion. The logic of the format is that you get 2 chances to be eliminated. The person who makes it to the end without being eliminated twice is the winner. If you do an ACTUAL double elimination tournament, that is. This format is designed to be a mess where not getting eliminated doesn't really benefit you. If you give one extra life to forGG, then its unfair that Life had to beat Taeja in the losers bracket. But i do agree the format is a mess.
Don't concentrate on the fact that Life had to beat Taeja. That is just a result. Taeja could have won as well and then it would still have been unfair to ForGG since Taeja's chances of winning the Tournament would be too high.
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1-0 in a bo7 for the WB winner is the best solution in the least amount of games. I think the most optimal solution is 2-0 I'm Bo9 but that's a lot of games. That way the LB player has to win a BO5 and a BO3 to win the tourney pretty much.
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On November 30 2014 05:46 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:44 Superbanana wrote:On November 30 2014 05:41 Lonyo wrote:On November 30 2014 05:39 Superbanana wrote:On November 30 2014 05:37 mikumegurine wrote:On November 30 2014 05:35 Superbanana wrote: I think its more unfair to give any sort of advantage to the winners bracket grand finalist :/ Imagine if its Taeja advancing, if forGG wins with any advantage its really hard to say he is the better player. the winner bracket guy never lost, why does Taeja get 2 lives, but ForGG only gets 1 life (because hes so good he never lost, he only gets 1 life, everyone else get 2 lives)? But he had to win less series. The logic of the format is to narrow down to the best 2 players and make them play one series fair and square to decide the champion. The logic of the format is that you get 2 chances to be eliminated. The person who makes it to the end without being eliminated twice is the winner. If you do an ACTUAL double elimination tournament, that is. This format is designed to be a mess where not getting eliminated doesn't really benefit you. If you give one extra life to forGG, then its unfair that Life had to beat Taeja in the losers bracket. But i do agree the format is a mess. Not necessarily. Life already lost...so why should ForGG only lose once and be out? I already explained, if forGG have an extra life then its unfair that Life had to win an extra series vs Taeja. Its ALSO unfair that forGG have a single life, but giving him an extra life is not a fix. edit: in other worlds, i dislike the format, but the players are aware of all that so its all game.
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On November 30 2014 05:47 vult wrote: 1-0 in a bo7 for the WB winner is the best solution in the least amount of games. I think the most optimal solution is 2-0 I'm Bo9 but that's a lot of games. That way the LB player has to win a BO5 and a BO3 to win the tourney pretty much.
Patriots should have started up 14-0 against the Giants the Year they never lost a game.
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On November 30 2014 05:49 Gotnerves wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 05:47 vult wrote: 1-0 in a bo7 for the WB winner is the best solution in the least amount of games. I think the most optimal solution is 2-0 I'm Bo9 but that's a lot of games. That way the LB player has to win a BO5 and a BO3 to win the tourney pretty much. Patriots should have started up 14-0 against the Giants the Year they never lost a game.
I wish TT. Just brought back some bad memories
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