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On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA!
Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win.
I really like mma of course. But it does not make me biased towards him. Life played great as we all agree to. And its great that this wasna great tourney. My take on it tries to be balanced for the most part. If you disagree that's fine. But at least it is valuable to me to share a different perspective.
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On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. I really like mma of course. But it does not make me biased towards him. Life played great as we all agree to. And its great that this wasna great tourney. My take on it tries to be balanced for the most part. If you disagree that's fine. But at least it is valuable to me to share a different perspective.
no it's not lol
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On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win.
Are you trying to troll ?
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On November 09 2014 22:52 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 22:47 Vindicare605 wrote:
Oh please people. Bomber only has the most WCS points because he played in freaking WCS America.
Don't use seeding as any kind of indicator of how good each player is. Freaking Hyun had the second overall seed and he was probably the weakest player at the tournament. I think it's definitely true that Bomber ranks among the stronger players that made it to Blizzcon, but comparing the beating of him, Classic and Stardust to Zest (triple champion in Korean tournaments this year), San (statistically the best vZ in the world) and Taeja (soO who?) seems like a stretch. Bomber is definitely among the best in the world in TvT, though, I won't deny that.
Classic won a gsl
Bomber is a very strong player we all know.
Point was both players went through the gauntlet and mma showed superior play leading to the finals imo.
The finals result was indicative of several variable. Some variables should be changed and some variables like psychology will remain mysterious to us all.
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lol people still salty this morning...even when Life won it was so obvious that the casters were salty too, or was it more because so many predicted wrongly?
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On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ?
If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out
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On November 09 2014 23:09 Winterhearted wrote:
One the best sc2 final in history!
wow for how long are you following sc2?
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On November 09 2014 23:38 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. I really like mma of course. But it does not make me biased towards him. Life played great as we all agree to. And its great that this wasna great tourney. My take on it tries to be balanced for the most part. If you disagree that's fine. But at least it is valuable to me to share a different perspective. no it's not lol
If you believe that's fine. I see things differently.
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On November 09 2014 23:40 90ti wrote:
lol people still salty this morning...even when Life won it was so obvious that the casters were salty too, or was it more because so many predicted wrongly?
I think everybody just is salty because of Artosis. Even Artosis is salty because of Artosis.
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On November 09 2014 23:00 inken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Outcome wasn't clear though from my viewpoint. Life did not demonstrate he was better by pulling 4 all inner baneling busts. Why did mma not adjust to this simple and underwhelming tactic by life. 1. Mma had not faced a zerg yet. And life already faced a top terrain. 2. Not preparation time for either side favored life since he got to taste the strength of a top skilled terrain player. At least this is what I believe. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Gotta be kidding. Terrans got their patch. Zerg HAS to all in now. And when zerg wins despite last patch, basically against the odds, well...........then it's evil brackets and not having enough preparation time that made things imba. But it can't be more skill because terrans are better players. Lmfao
Some say that. That's not me though. I gather you are a zerg. I don't think zergs all in the only option they got. So that's a bit of hyperbole imo.
The bracket? The bracket was tough for everyone we all agree. I only said that the finals should have been played on Sunday. Which is a fair point. If you disagree then we agree to disagree.
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On November 09 2014 23:43 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ? If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out
If you look purely at the numbers, sure. Sadly in the real world with a lot more factors your reasoning is flawed beyond recovery.
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On November 09 2014 23:49 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:43 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ? If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out If you look purely at the numbers, sure. Sadly in the real world with a lot more factors your reasoning is flawed beyond recovery.
Hey if you feel that I that is your right. And of course some discourse is welcome. I am interested in what other factors would anul my arguments about mmas strong record leading to the finals and no rest .preparation for the finals
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On November 09 2014 23:53 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:49 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 23:43 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ? If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out If you look purely at the numbers, sure. Sadly in the real world with a lot more factors your reasoning is flawed beyond recovery. Hey if you feel that I that is your right. And of course some discourse is welcome. I am interested in what other factors would anul my arguments about mmas strong record leading to the finals and no rest .preparation for the finals
One argument would be that Life went almost directly from an exhausting and mechanically demanding 5-game series with Taeja into the finals against MMA who had had some time to rest and analyze Life's pattern in the Life-Taeja match. Another argument would be that you're overestimating MMA's opponents because it makes your favorite player look better, and I believe you would find that very few people consider MMA's and Life's runs equal. Life beat a triple champion and the consensus (almost) best player of 2014 in Zest, the player with the best PvZ record offline of any player this year (or ever?) along with Taeja, who beat soO - who most considered the best Zerg in the world heading into Blizzcon - and is almost unbeatable in weekend tournaments. Stardust - Bomber - Classic is no joke of a run, but by almost any way of measuring it is a weaker lineup than what Life went through.
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On November 09 2014 23:53 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:49 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 23:43 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ? If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out If you look purely at the numbers, sure. Sadly in the real world with a lot more factors your reasoning is flawed beyond recovery. Hey if you feel that I that is your right. And of course some discourse is welcome. I am interested in what other factors would anul my arguments about mmas strong record leading to the finals and no rest .preparation for the finals
MMA playing a weaker region than Life.
MMA playing strong, but still weaker opponents to get to the grand finals than Life.
When so much is on the line and on this level, the outcome that counts is a win. The cosmetics are secondary for the player, other than being able to overcome another important hurdle to reach their goal which is the win of the championship NOTHING else counts.
You saw how much the 3:1 wins of MMA counted in the Grand Finals.
//edit: Just imagine how high Life would have won against Bomber/SD/Classic after beating MMA 4:1! I am looking at the numbers and therefore my logic is flawless. If you disagree it's your right and we agree to disagree.
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On November 09 2014 23:43 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ? If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out
It is not about the disagreement, but that you are taking the time to post stuff which is clearly arbitral, like if it was logical. How hard they dominate their opponents on their way to the finals can't be correlated with who is more likely to win the finals, because opponents are not robots, they don't have exactly the same skill, they have different playstyles that fit them more or less, neither they play the same match ups. Until the finals, we didn't really know how MMA would fare on a TvZ for example.
It is only logical to not assume stuff just to suit our opinions and interpret the results between both players solely when we are trying to compare how they fare between each other.
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After I saw that Life was evenly matched to Taeja (imo), I was very confident that he'd got this.
He is so young and already a legend. Since he got known in SC2, I was rooting for him.
Everyone is good at this level of skill, Life though is an artist in my opinion.
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On November 10 2014 00:01 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:53 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 23:49 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 23:43 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ? If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out If you look purely at the numbers, sure. Sadly in the real world with a lot more factors your reasoning is flawed beyond recovery. Hey if you feel that I that is your right. And of course some discourse is welcome. I am interested in what other factors would anul my arguments about mmas strong record leading to the finals and no rest .preparation for the finals One argument would be that Life went almost directly from an exhausting and mechanically demanding 5-game series with Taeja into the finals against MMA who had had some time to rest and analyze Life's pattern in the Life-Taeja match. Another argument would be that you're overestimating MMA's opponents because it makes your favorite player look better, and I believe you would find that very few people consider MMA's and Life's runs equal. Life beat a triple champion and the consensus (almost) best player of 2014 in Zest, the player with the best PvZ record offline of any player this year (or ever?) along with Taeja, who beat soO - who most considered the best Zerg in the world heading into Blizzcon - and is almost unbeatable in weekend tournaments. Stardust - Bomber - Classic is no joke of a run, but by almost any way of measuring it is a weaker lineup than what Life went through.
Bombers tvt was considered the best in the world. And classic just recently won a gsl heavily loaded with top players. I see what you are saying. Perhaps life's run was a bit more difficult I can see that. However it might be reasonable to say that both runs were similar in strength of opponents. And if that premise holds true that both runs were similarly difficult then it is logical to say that mma showed a much better hand by never letting a fifth game to arrive until the finals. But what you say definitely has me rethinking my premise.
Perhaps you are right that mma had time to study life during the semi finals. But it is true that life also studied mma when mma played classic. Even then you could be right that mma had more rest than life's tough five game series. It could be said that matchup made life battle tested and experienced vs a top terrain. Where mma never faced a zerg until the finals.
It is still in wcs best interest I think to have the finals a separate day especially for the finalists. That would be fair for both opponents
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On November 10 2014 00:04 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 23:53 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 23:49 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 23:43 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 23:40 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2014 23:36 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 22:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 09 2014 22:07 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear. Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once. Some stellar reasoning right there. Beating the better players and winning in the finals 1:4 counts for nothing. Our Blizzcon Champion is MMA! Kind of perpendicular to my argument. It could be said that bomber is better than both zest and taeja. However I think we can agree that these three players plus classic are excellent players. Mma did show without a doubt he was superior in skill to his previous three opponents than life who was one game away from defeat by zest in the round of 16 or by taeja. It is logical to conclude that mma was playing better than life and was even favorite to win. Are you trying to troll ? If you disagree that's fine. In no way am I forcing you to believe my perspective. Mma never allowed a series to go 3-2 leading up to the finals did he. And life was one game away from ouster in two series. Of course life had a tough schedule. But so did mma. In no way am I denigrating or degrading the accomplishment of life. However there angles to this tourney which might be worth to point out If you look purely at the numbers, sure. Sadly in the real world with a lot more factors your reasoning is flawed beyond recovery. Hey if you feel that I that is your right. And of course some discourse is welcome. I am interested in what other factors would anul my arguments about mmas strong record leading to the finals and no rest .preparation for the finals MMA playing a weaker region than Life. MMA playing strong, but still weaker opponents to get to the grand finals than Life. When so much is on the line and on this level, the outcome that counts is a win. The cosmetics are secondary for the player, other than being able to overcome another important hurdle to reach their goal which is the win of the championship NOTHING else counts. You saw how much the 3:1 wins of MMA counted in the Grand Finals. //edit: Just imagine how high Life would have won against Bomber/SD/Classic after beating MMA 4:1! I am looking at the numbers and therefore my logic is flawless. If you disagree it's your right and we agree to disagree.
Well said though it might be debatable how much tougher life's opponents were. And clearly I do not know for sure.
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On November 09 2014 23:28 Godwrath wrote:
One day, people will figure out that players are so closely matched at the top, and that it's rather pointless to make a full claim about a player being better than another like he should beat him 10 out of 10 times. And it will be good.
Nailed.
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"My favorite player lost, so i will make up a bunch of stuff to make it look like:
A) He was the better player anyways.
B) Tournament's at fault because it wasn't handled the right way.
C) His opponent was a cheeky cheeser.
D) Jetlag
E) JYP touched him.
F) ... others
Just pick one, and let's move on.
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