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Well deserved by life even if I rooted for MMA.
This year's Blizzcon was amazing and the WCS finals were fun to watch.
Long live sc2 and I hope to see MMA win with cyclones next year.
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On November 09 2014 21:40 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals Life played the best this tournament but no factors He won. He also had harder opposition throughout overall
Stardust bomber and classic is no cakewalk. The strength of schedule is about the same and mma aced all three of them. There was nothing in life's play that suggester outplaying his opponent. It was more of a pressure of winning that got to mma. I think life has a great future for a young teenager like himself. But mma was playing better with more complex refined builds which clearly destroyed his previous opponents.
stating the obvious doesn't change the fact life won in a pretty cheap matter. Congrats to life. But I am disappointed in mma not adapting to this one dimensional style.
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On November 09 2014 21:45 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:40 Darkhorse wrote:On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals Life played the best this tournament but no factors He won. He also had harder opposition throughout overall Stardust bomber and classic is no cakewalk. The strength of schedule is about the same and mma aced all three of them. There was nothing in life's play that suggester outplaying his opponent. It was more of a pressure of winning that got to mma. I think life has a great future for a young teenager like himself. But mma was playing better with more complex refined builds which clearly destroyed his previous opponents. stating the obvious doesn't change the fact life won in a pretty cheap matter. Congrats to life. But I am disappointed in mma not adapting to this one dimensional style.
Life is 16-7 lifetime against MMA and was 12-6 prior to the finals. Maybe MMA should think about adapting soon? 
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On November 09 2014 21:41 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:37 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:32 Zealously wrote:On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals I'm reasonably sure being able to stop all-ins is a fairly important part of being a SC2 progamer. To say that MMA "played the best this entire tournament" in such a matter-of-factly way after Life beat Zest, San and Taeja alongside him seems kind of questionable  Life had to go 3-2 against zest and taeja. Both great players. While mma steamrolled all three opponents he faced. Mma was playing better this tournament until he was caught unprepared for a snute like baneling all in game after game. So I still think mma played the best this tournament . another disadvantage was that mma never faced a zerg yet but life already faced a top 3 terran. I believe that the finals should have been played today or a championship Sunday so both opponents can prepare for each other. "Had to go 3-2 against Zest and Taeja" could that possibly be because Zest and Taeja are harder than anyone MMA had to face?
Bomber was ranked number one. Mma outplayed him 3-1. Classic is a good protoss player as well. The strength of schedule or opponents are about the same. My opinion of life has not changed. Great that he won 100k. Happy for that. But I still think mma is more skilled than life. In years time yah of course life will refine his play. But I was most impressed with mma this tournament.
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On November 09 2014 21:48 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:45 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:40 Darkhorse wrote:On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals Life played the best this tournament but no factors He won. He also had harder opposition throughout overall Stardust bomber and classic is no cakewalk. The strength of schedule is about the same and mma aced all three of them. There was nothing in life's play that suggester outplaying his opponent. It was more of a pressure of winning that got to mma. I think life has a great future for a young teenager like himself. But mma was playing better with more complex refined builds which clearly destroyed his previous opponents. stating the obvious doesn't change the fact life won in a pretty cheap matter. Congrats to life. But I am disappointed in mma not adapting to this one dimensional style. Life is 16-7 lifetime against MMA and was 12-6 prior to the finals. Maybe MMA should think about adapting soon?
That is a great point. Life was the better player recently going on 2, years But only speaking this tournament ,mma was playing on fire. He was 2011 mma but with more skill and nuance to his builds. Unfortunately bad timing and not adapting to one dimensional play in a finals cost mma. I have tremendous respect for mmas game. While life still has ways to go before he will be like a jaedong in terms of his skill level.
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Factors asides, Life clearly outplayed MMA in the finals, even though I disagree with you saying that MMA was more impressive the entire tournament, In the TvZ MU we clearly saw who played better...
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On November 09 2014 21:51 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:48 Zealously wrote:On November 09 2014 21:45 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:40 Darkhorse wrote:On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals Life played the best this tournament but no factors He won. He also had harder opposition throughout overall Stardust bomber and classic is no cakewalk. The strength of schedule is about the same and mma aced all three of them. There was nothing in life's play that suggester outplaying his opponent. It was more of a pressure of winning that got to mma. I think life has a great future for a young teenager like himself. But mma was playing better with more complex refined builds which clearly destroyed his previous opponents. stating the obvious doesn't change the fact life won in a pretty cheap matter. Congrats to life. But I am disappointed in mma not adapting to this one dimensional style. Life is 16-7 lifetime against MMA and was 12-6 prior to the finals. Maybe MMA should think about adapting soon? That is a great point. Life was the better player recently going on 2, years But only speaking this tournament ,mma was playing on fire. He was 2011 mma but with more skill and nuance to his builds. Unfortunately bad timing and not adapting to one dimensional play in a finals cost mma. I have tremendous respect for mmas game. While life still has ways to go before he will be like a jaedong in terms of his skill level.
oh no 
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On November 09 2014 21:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:51 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:48 Zealously wrote:On November 09 2014 21:45 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:40 Darkhorse wrote:On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals Life played the best this tournament but no factors He won. He also had harder opposition throughout overall Well maybe not sc2. Lol you are right. But broodwar to clarif Stardust bomber and classic is no cakewalk. The strength of schedule is about the same and mma aced all three of them. There was nothing in life's play that suggester outplaying his opponent. It was more of a pressure of winning that got to mma. I think life has a great future for a young teenager like himself. But mma was playing better with more complex refined builds which clearly destroyed his previous opponents. stating the obvious doesn't change the fact life won in a pretty cheap matter. Congrats to life. But I am disappointed in mma not adapting to this one dimensional style. Life is 16-7 lifetime against MMA and was 12-6 prior to the finals. Maybe MMA should think about adapting soon? That is a great point. Life was the better player recently going on 2, years But only speaking this tournament ,mma was playing on fire. He was 2011 mma but with more skill and nuance to his builds. Unfortunately bad timing and not adapting to one dimensional play in a finals cost mma. I have tremendous respect for mmas game. While life still has ways to go before he will be like a jaedong in terms of his skill level. oh no
Well maybe not sc2 lol. But broodwar jaedong. Look life has a great future ahead of him. It will take time to win the admiration of someone like myslef. Though.
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On November 09 2014 21:54 Huziwara wrote:
Factors asides, Life clearly outplayed MMA in the finals, even though I disagree with you saying that MMA was more impressive the entire tournament, In the TvZ MU we clearly saw who played better...
Absolutely. Life played to win and congrats to life. Though there were factors that caused this to happen. It doesn't excuse mma but I do hope the next championship grand finals can be played on a separate day or championship Sunday.
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life and maru are part of a generation that is pretty much guaranteed to dominate sc2 at some point.
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Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear.
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I wanted to bitch about balance (on zergs part) coming into the tournament, guess i will come back later 
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On November 09 2014 21:56 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On November 09 2014 21:51 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:48 Zealously wrote:On November 09 2014 21:45 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:40 Darkhorse wrote:On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals Life played the best this tournament but no factors He won. He also had harder opposition throughout overall Well maybe not sc2. Lol you are right. But broodwar to clarif Stardust bomber and classic is no cakewalk. The strength of schedule is about the same and mma aced all three of them. There was nothing in life's play that suggester outplaying his opponent. It was more of a pressure of winning that got to mma. I think life has a great future for a young teenager like himself. But mma was playing better with more complex refined builds which clearly destroyed his previous opponents. stating the obvious doesn't change the fact life won in a pretty cheap matter. Congrats to life. But I am disappointed in mma not adapting to this one dimensional style. Life is 16-7 lifetime against MMA and was 12-6 prior to the finals. Maybe MMA should think about adapting soon? That is a great point. Life was the better player recently going on 2, years But only speaking this tournament ,mma was playing on fire. He was 2011 mma but with more skill and nuance to his builds. Unfortunately bad timing and not adapting to one dimensional play in a finals cost mma. I have tremendous respect for mmas game. While life still has ways to go before he will be like a jaedong in terms of his skill level. oh no Well maybe not sc2 lol. But broodwar jaedong. Look life has a great future ahead of him. It will take time to win the admiration of someone like myslef. Though.
Time like the two years between his GSL win and this one? D:
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On November 09 2014 21:58 PerSe wrote:
life and maru are part of a generation that is pretty much guaranteed to dominate sc2 at some point.
I want to see Life vs Maru GSL finals
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On November 09 2014 21:58 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:54 Huziwara wrote:
Factors asides, Life clearly outplayed MMA in the finals, even though I disagree with you saying that MMA was more impressive the entire tournament, In the TvZ MU we clearly saw who played better... Absolutely. Life played to win and congrats to life. Though there were factors that caused this to happen. It doesn't excuse mma but I do hope the next championship grand finals can be played on a separate day or championship Sunday.
Yeah MMA is like a DBZ character. 1 day would've made a world of difference for him I'm sure.
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On November 09 2014 21:59 Willzzz wrote:
Having the most WCS points doesn't make Bomber the hardest opponent.
Zest and Taeja have better records than Bomber and Classic.
Both MMA and Life clearly deserved their spots in the final, but the outcome was clear.
Outcome wasn't clear though from my viewpoint. Life did not demonstrate he was better by pulling 4 all inner baneling busts. Why did mma not adjust to this simple and underwhelming tactic by life.
1. Mma had not faced a zerg yet. And life already faced a top terrain.
2. Not preparation time for either side favored life since he got to taste the strength of a top skilled terrain player. At least this is what I believe.
Bomber was the most feared player here. Their is a reason he is number and to say that he isn't a top 3 player at this moment is foolish to say. My point was that mma aced a tough draw as did life. Yet mma did Mich better . there was no doubt that mma proved he was better than bomber and classic. Life did not do that vs zest and taeja. Zest or taeja were one game away from defeating life. Therefore life was not demonstrating he was the better player due to the fact he played 3-2 twice already. And mma never did once.
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On November 09 2014 22:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:58 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:54 Huziwara wrote:
Factors asides, Life clearly outplayed MMA in the finals, even though I disagree with you saying that MMA was more impressive the entire tournament, In the TvZ MU we clearly saw who played better... Absolutely. Life played to win and congrats to life. Though there were factors that caused this to happen. It doesn't excuse mma but I do hope the next championship grand finals can be played on a separate day or championship Sunday. Yeah MMA is like a DBZ character. 1 day would've made a world of difference for him I'm sure.
IMO one day can make a huge difference in sports. Watching vods preparing for styles or trends that develop is a part of every sport. So maybe mma loses the next match o. Sunday. However it would be nice to give both opponents time to rest and prepare for the grand final.
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On November 09 2014 22:01 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:56 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On November 09 2014 21:51 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:48 Zealously wrote:On November 09 2014 21:45 chatuka wrote:On November 09 2014 21:40 Darkhorse wrote:On November 09 2014 21:28 chatuka wrote:
Mma played the best this entire tournament but two factors.
1. Mma hasn't faced a zerg yet and life already battle tested a top terran
2. Mma wasn't ready to face an all inner like life. Kind of a cheap victory IMO by life
Actually this doesn't change my opinion of life at all while I continue to gain respect for mma except for a botched finals Life played the best this tournament but no factors He won. He also had harder opposition throughout overall Well maybe not sc2. Lol you are right. But broodwar to clarif Stardust bomber and classic is no cakewalk. The strength of schedule is about the same and mma aced all three of them. There was nothing in life's play that suggester outplaying his opponent. It was more of a pressure of winning that got to mma. I think life has a great future for a young teenager like himself. But mma was playing better with more complex refined builds which clearly destroyed his previous opponents. stating the obvious doesn't change the fact life won in a pretty cheap matter. Congrats to life. But I am disappointed in mma not adapting to this one dimensional style. Life is 16-7 lifetime against MMA and was 12-6 prior to the finals. Maybe MMA should think about adapting soon? That is a great point. Life was the better player recently going on 2, years But only speaking this tournament ,mma was playing on fire. He was 2011 mma but with more skill and nuance to his builds. Unfortunately bad timing and not adapting to one dimensional play in a finals cost mma. I have tremendous respect for mmas game. While life still has ways to go before he will be like a jaedong in terms of his skill level. oh no Well maybe not sc2 lol. But broodwar jaedong. Look life has a great future ahead of him. It will take time to win the admiration of someone like myslef. Though. Time like the two years between his GSL win and this one? D:
Good point. That is just me it took time for me to warm up to flash when he was the cheezy terran. Life is great no doubt and no argument. Just it will take more time for me to gain an admiration for him. And I definitely think he has the ability to continue write his legacy in sc2. No argument that life is already an established great sc2 player.
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Maru is dominating sc2 as we speak.
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Well, one thing is for certain... Life played to his Tarot card, disrupting and creating chaos and thriving in the aftermath!
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