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REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
November 10 2014 00:32 GMT
#8441
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 10 2014 04:06 GMT
#8442
I think Life was clearly the best player in the tournament. I also don't think he cheesed very much at all. Instead, it seems like there is no such thing as a Zerg cheese in the current pro meta. Even proxy hatch is a strong frontal assault strategy when scouted. Instead they just always seem ahead unless a Terran or Protoss does something extraordinary. Now, these Terrans and Protoss are extraordinary, but lets be honest, they both (particularly Terran) overly rely on drops vs Zerg which is an inherently risky strategy.

IMO nerf drops and fix the disparity from creep and Zerg attackmove.
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
November 10 2014 04:22 GMT
#8443
MMA lost a standard macro game after his hellbat timing almost worked. His other all-in in g4 almost worked too. Games 2 and 5 were straight up disasters. Game 3 went nicely and made me lol that people were complaining about terrain abuse with that marauder block. Overall he hasn't had confidence against Zerg for a long time, and it showed. He also appeared not to have much preparation, since Protosses and Terrans were his most likely opponents all through the tournament.

Also well deserved by Life. I would go back in time and cheer for Taeja instead given how he dispatched MMA.
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
November 10 2014 05:09 GMT
#8444
Unless your definition of cheese is broad (which it is for some) Life really never all-in'd or cheesed vs MMA. He always got three base. He did, however never go SH, Ultra, Viper or late game tech. Unfortunately, in the current meta/balance it seems tough for a Zerg to win without staking out and claiming the mid-game. An exception would be game 2 in Life vs Taeja. After early shenanigans, Taeja was ahead and Life won by attacking with an inferior force away from Taeja at the right time (positioning etc).

Needless to say, Life was amazing (and, uh, found a way). If mid-gaming it to the trophy is what it takes to take the trophy and upset the meta, then so be it.
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
November 10 2014 05:17 GMT
#8445
It would be cool to get a play by play interview with Life on all his matches. One thing that seems certain is that he scouted and/or anticipated the moves of his opponents almost to maphacker levels. I would like to hear feedback on why he is dropping spores, or throwing down the bane nest. Was it the scouting, or the sixth sense? Seeing the gas, or knowing the player's tendencies? His decisions throughout were incredible.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 10 2014 05:23 GMT
#8446
See, I disagree with that assessment. It seems like that is actually the only way a Zerg actually loses. If they fail to anticipate the semi-cheesey drop play then they have a chance to lose. If, on the other hand, they just guard against it, then do a strong early-midgame push its GG. Lategame, for Zerg is also ridiculously annoying (with good creeping) and there they can starve out opponents.
Freeeeeeedom
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
November 10 2014 09:08 GMT
#8447
One thing is, Blizzard really needs to make a smaller and lighter trophy next year, all 3 WCS champions had trouble lifting it.
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5457 Posts
November 10 2014 09:24 GMT
#8448
Was JD + Zest vs. soo/polt not streamed? i can't find the vods for it...
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
November 10 2014 09:26 GMT
#8449
On November 10 2014 18:24 SoleSteeler wrote:
Was JD + Zest vs. soo/polt not streamed? i can't find the vods for it...

They were behind schedule due to technical difficulties in day 1.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 10 2014 09:36 GMT
#8450
On November 10 2014 18:24 SoleSteeler wrote:
Was JD + Zest vs. soo/polt not streamed? i can't find the vods for it...


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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5457 Posts
November 10 2014 09:42 GMT
#8451
Ah, other languages. Thanks. I also found it in Korean here: http://www.gomtv.com/13863371

Thanks again!
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 10 2014 11:29 GMT
#8452
Life-TaeJa G2 is the most incredible game I've seen this year. Such amazing play from both players
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-10 12:38:36
November 10 2014 12:37 GMT
#8453
Just finished with the VoDs. Good day 3, very impressed by MMA's TvP.

Was kind of funny to hear the commentators keep doubting Life. While he obviously wasn't the favorite going into ro16, he's just one of those players that can win any tournament he enters. Happy to see him win this one!

edit: Oh, and Life vs Taeja game 2 was amazing. That engagement at Life's 4th base where he got a big flank on Taeja's army was sick.
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Sir_Figs
Profile Joined October 2014
Canada9 Posts
November 10 2014 13:56 GMT
#8454
The few times Life had mutas out vs Taeja/MMA, it seemed like he was more effective with them than other zergs I've been seeing as of late. He didn't bail out like no tomorrow at the first sign of 3 marines or 1 turret, he kept on the attack until a force arrived that actually could significantly threaten him. He was able to keep the mutas close enough to capitalize on opportunities such as hitting medivacs or taking out straggler marines which were just a little bit too far from the pack, while keeping them just far enough from large threats to avoid losing them for nothing. To me it seems like the pros often move short range units in for an attack without actually attacking, eat a ton of fire, back off, repeat, lose 1/4 of their army, and then decide to go for a big engagement. (To be fair, Life seemed to do this with corruptors vs tempests from Zest/San). It baffles me, but I guess that's why I'm not competing.

For whatever reason, Life's ling/bane attacks into large terran forces also seemed quite effective compared to the other zergs in the tournament (winner/hindsight bias? haha) - was it because he wasn't really facing an optimal lategame terran army? I kept cringing when he went for an attack against bio clumps, but somehow it usually worked out.

Was cheering for Life (along with Polt), it was awesome seeing him pull through time after time! Overpowered memories of all the technical glitches, I now think of this as a flawless Blizzcon somehow.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 10 2014 19:11 GMT
#8455
I could only watch on and off throughout the weekend but essentially Life is a god and haters can suck it

Bomber vs Life was the dream finals, but having one of them win makes me so happy. Way more exciting (for me) than last year
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taeaholic
Profile Joined September 2014
10 Posts
November 10 2014 22:54 GMT
#8456
Hey, I translated an interview Life did with eSports Daily after the final:

StarTale’s Lee Seung-hyun (Life) has won the World Championship Series (WCS) Global Final, crowning him as the best Starcraft 2 player in the world, an incredible achievement for a 17 year old born in 1997. Arriving at the somewhat low seed ranking of 14th out of 16 and playing as the often considered weak Zerg race, his victory lit up the arena with roars and wild excitement. Alongside his $100,000 prize money, Lee Seung-hyun (Life) also earned the title of the youngest WCS World Champion.

Lee Seung-ho shared his thoughts at Blizzcon shortly after winning, “I can’t think of anything other than how incredibly happy I feel. I was able to win because my opponent moved in the way that I expected”.

I suggested it was in fact his usual unconventional match style which helped him win, to which he replied “Even as I try to think now, I can’t think of any explanation other than I was just lucky. For instance, these days tactics like a Zergling/Baneling Rush aren’t used very often so opponents don’t expect it, and sometimes you can win.”

He wasn’t without his own crises, however, and chose Team Liquid’s Yun ‘TaeJa’ Young-seo as the player he had the hardest time against. Additionally, the weak bodies of Zerg units were also a disadvantage. Lee Seung-hyun (Life) explained that it is because he overcame these two things that he was able to go straight to the final.

All this leaves is the Korean stage, home to the best Starcraft 2 players in the world, and it is his goal to win a championship on it before the year ends. Lee said “This year I haven’t won even one championship in Korea, so I’ll try my hardest to definitely win one in the time left”.

Team StarTale is often considered weak, but he didn’t forget to express his appreciation for them. Even though he doesn’t receive much support compared to other teams, he says he’s never thought of transferring. “I don’t think that the support I get from the team is lacking and I also receive personal sponsorship from Red Bull and SanDisk, so I have no desire to find another team.”

Finally, I asked his thoughts on the public release of Legacy of the Void at Blizzcon.

“Perhaps because it’s still in Beta, it felt unfinished. I believe there are still a lot more changes to come, but if you look from a Zerg point of view it seems like you couldn’t ask for more from the expansion. There are a lot of things to look forward to, like Roaches being able to evolve to destroy Force Fields, the increase in Ultralisk’s defensive power and the addition of the Lurker. For some reason, even though Legacy of the Void is for Protoss it seems better than Heart of the Swarm.”
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
November 10 2014 23:07 GMT
#8457
artosis + apollo did great to cast the finals of blizzcon. i think they are a good duo but would like to see day9 injected as a third for more humor and knowledge. might work as long as day9 and artosis get along with their analysis speeches
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Sek-Kuar
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic593 Posts
November 11 2014 19:56 GMT
#8458
Im interested to know how much did the WCS trophy weight? Life surely did seem to have problems lifting it xD
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 11 2014 22:16 GMT
#8459
On November 12 2014 04:56 Sek-Kuar wrote:
Im interested to know how much did the WCS trophy weight? Life surely did seem to have problems lifting it xD


Roughly 18kg.
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biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
November 12 2014 04:01 GMT
#8460
Haha that thing is so heavy. It's like the Iron Throne but as a trophy.

And thanks for the translation taeaholic. Let's see if Life can win a Korean tourney this year :D.
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