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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:12 TheDwf wrote: Thing is, Zergs sometimes remember that scouting is not forbidden. Now you talking crazy. Everyone knows that scouting leads to death. Look at Falsh vs Zest IEM Finals. Flash only lost the game he scouted! | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:14 boxerfred wrote: Allin-ish means that if the attack fails, you're way behind. If roaches are out and the push is defended, you are pretty open for a counter attack. Also, while you can still load in and drop, there's no way to push creep back which should allow zerg to safely take a fast fourth. (imo ofc) But you're not behind. Maybe I'll upload a game sometime and show the timings, there's VERY little difference, except that hellbats are basically guaranteed to do more damage than hellions. And if the zerg is prepared you back off, like you would with your hellions. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:14 Zenbrez wrote: Don't talk unless you're aware there is more than 1 variation of a build. we're talking about a game where happy heaviliy commited to a port and an armory delaying his 3rd, upgrades and production. But it's not something that'll put him back at all if it fails. Ok mr know it all. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:15 TheDwf wrote: Yeah, when you sacrifice an Overlord into 4 Marines after standing 2 minutes in their sight, probably. Should've expected this kind of response. One game != every game. When one building spells the difference between standard macro play and a big hellbat attack it is very hard to scout. Not to mention if you're going to go roaches reactively you have to spot the armory in enough time to build the warren and complete roaches before the attack hits, which is a small window | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:16 Yorkie wrote: The only way to really kill the hellbats is opening roaches though, which balances out the self inflicted damage to economy for both players unless the zerg is going for a big roach attack anyway No, macro builds can include a ~6'40 bane nest out of safety. soO played like that vs Flash in GSL. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:17 Thezzy wrote: That Reaper is healing his entire skeleton back at this point. Wolverine Reapers! Wolverine ain't got a thing on Reapers. Because who needs claws, when you have uranium shells. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:17 boxerfred wrote: Is there a hardcounter to this tactic that is not a build order (eg. 2base muta)? Because if not, it should be a reliable early midgame push that has a huge potential to put Terran in a lead. defensive roaches put you ahead. like way ahead. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:18 TheDwf wrote: No, macro builds can include a ~6'40 bane nest out of safety. soO played like that vs Flash in GSL. It can include a bane nest, but it's absolutely not the standard | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:17 Zenbrez wrote: But you're not behind. Maybe I'll upload a game sometime and show the timings, there's VERY little difference, except that hellbats are basically guaranteed to do more damage than hellbats. And if the zerg is prepared you back off, like you would with your hellions. Wait, that hellbat attack is not really a sharp timing but more a "let's hope he hasn't 10 banes and/or 5 roaches". I'm not saying this build is bad. I'm just saying that in case it totally gets shut down, you're way behind. More behind when eg. cloaked banshee play gets shut down hard. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:17 boxerfred wrote: Is there a hardcounter to this tactic that is not a build order (eg. 2base muta)? Because if not, it should be a reliable early midgame push that has a huge potential to put Terran in a lead. If the zerg blindly opens roaches/is going for a big roach or roach bane attack then he can shut it down very easily. It's what I don't like about the build. it tends to result in bops either way | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:16 Yorkie wrote: The only way to really kill the hellbats is opening roaches though, which balances out the self inflicted damage to economy for both players unless the zerg is going for a big roach attack anyway a wall, queens and a spine can hold such pushes just fine | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On September 17 2014 06:18 sAsImre wrote: defensive roaches put you ahead. like way ahead. Why? Can't teran just go for 1-2 tanks while pumping out a 3rd or a double ebay? I don't get how 5-10 roaches put you way behind, especially since they are slow and can't counter drop play. | ||
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Penev
28440 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
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