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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 14 2014 01:28 GMT
#621
On August 14 2014 10:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:
... MajOr saw the drop, right ? I think he was trying to make Bomber think he didn't know and snipe the army, but he failed hard and he found himself dead before he could even regret his decision.


Yeah he was trying to bait him in, but Bomber took the bait and then stabbed him with it.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 14 2014 01:29 GMT
#622
bomber wp!
Moderatorlickypiddy
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
August 14 2014 01:29 GMT
#623
round of 16 drawing after this series?
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
August 14 2014 01:30 GMT
#624
Just noticed this new sponsor for WCS AM, Newegg
I don't live in the US, is this company any big, small? (honest question, totally ignorant here)
...
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
August 14 2014 01:30 GMT
#625
On August 14 2014 10:28 Jazzman88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 10:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:22 Jazzman88 wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm no TvT specialist, but isn't there any way MajOr could abuse the fact Bomber never scouts ?

Some kind of proxy cheese.


Gas-first proxy Factory->Starport for Marine/Hellion/Medivac elevator right next to his base. Alternatively, gas first proxy Factory/Banshee into 1 base Marine/Tank/Banshee allin.


Thanks guys. I wonder why people don't try that kind of stuff more often against him, he loves money so much he never (am I wrong) scv scouts, at least on 2 players map.


Unless I'm missing sarcasm, probably because it's not a guaranteed thing even with a blind player on the defense. I mean, Bomber ALWAYS gets some combination of Marines/Tanks plus probably a Raven, which so happens to be exactly the composition you need to defend most 1-base cheese play. There are certain ways you can array your forces so that even if a blind attack comes that you don't scout, you're already in a position that enables you to have the best possible chances on the defense.


No you're not missing sarcasm man, I really know nothing about TvT. But then isn't there a way people could play really greedy to compensate for Bomber lack of information ? Maybe the problem would be your teching up to raven too slowly in case Bomber goes banshee ?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 14 2014 01:31 GMT
#626
On August 14 2014 10:30 Ace Frehley wrote:
Just noticed this new sponsor for WCS AM, Newegg
I don't live in the US, is this company any big, small? (honest question, totally ignorant here)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newegg
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 14 2014 01:31 GMT
#627
On August 14 2014 10:30 Ace Frehley wrote:
Just noticed this new sponsor for WCS AM, Newegg
I don't live in the US, is this company any big, small? (honest question, totally ignorant here)

i dont know about right now but ~5 yrs ago it was a major online electronics retailer
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 14 2014 01:32 GMT
#628
grats Bomber
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
August 14 2014 01:32 GMT
#629
On August 14 2014 10:30 Ace Frehley wrote:
Just noticed this new sponsor for WCS AM, Newegg
I don't live in the US, is this company any big, small? (honest question, totally ignorant here)

It is one of the larger online computer parts stores in the US and is in Canada so it is a fairly large sponsor.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 14 2014 01:35 GMT
#630
Poll: Mech or Not Mech?

Mech (4)
 
67%

Not Mech (1)
 
17%

Both (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Mech or Not Mech?

(Vote): Mech
(Vote): Not Mech
(Vote): Both


The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
August 14 2014 01:35 GMT
#631
On August 14 2014 10:35 Pandain wrote:
Poll: Mech or Not Mech?

Mech (4)
 
67%

Not Mech (1)
 
17%

Both (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Mech or Not Mech?

(Vote): Mech
(Vote): Not Mech
(Vote): Both



Mech vs Swarmhosts so that I have to stay up late and sleep in by accident?
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 01:40:00
August 14 2014 01:36 GMT
#632
[image loading]

[image loading]
[image loading][image loading][image loading]
(Z)Slam              (T)MajOr

Score
0-0


Map: Nimbus

Slam spawns in the bottom left
Major spawns in the bottom right
2:00
Hatchery first for Slam.
Major getting a barracks and gas.
Slam getting a spawning pool and extractor.

3:00
Reaper for Major.
Reaper going the wrong way for Major.
Zergling speed and two queens for Slam.
Major expanding, gettting a factory and a reactor.

4:00
Reaper goes the wrong way twice before Major realizes he's horizontal.
Starport for Major.
Refinery for Major.
Two hellions on the way.

5:00
Barracks lifting off.
Major moving out.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
August 14 2014 01:37 GMT
#633
On August 14 2014 10:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 10:28 Jazzman88 wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:22 Jazzman88 wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm no TvT specialist, but isn't there any way MajOr could abuse the fact Bomber never scouts ?

Some kind of proxy cheese.


Gas-first proxy Factory->Starport for Marine/Hellion/Medivac elevator right next to his base. Alternatively, gas first proxy Factory/Banshee into 1 base Marine/Tank/Banshee allin.


Thanks guys. I wonder why people don't try that kind of stuff more often against him, he loves money so much he never (am I wrong) scv scouts, at least on 2 players map.


Unless I'm missing sarcasm, probably because it's not a guaranteed thing even with a blind player on the defense. I mean, Bomber ALWAYS gets some combination of Marines/Tanks plus probably a Raven, which so happens to be exactly the composition you need to defend most 1-base cheese play. There are certain ways you can array your forces so that even if a blind attack comes that you don't scout, you're already in a position that enables you to have the best possible chances on the defense.


No you're not missing sarcasm man, I really know nothing about TvT. But then isn't there a way people could play really greedy to compensate for Bomber lack of information ? Maybe the problem would be your teching up to raven too slowly in case Bomber goes banshee ?


Sure, you can go defensive 1-1-1 into 3 CC double E-bay, and just do like Bomber likes to do and smash face with a 14:00 max 2-2 Marine/Tank army. Only problem is if Bomber also does that you then have to out-Bomber Bomber.

I actually liked the way Major approached Game 1 of the series, with Mech versus Bio, but he made some execution errors that allowed Bomber to gain an edge, as well as Bio being REALLY good versus Mech on Sejong with all that airspace and multiple attack angles.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
August 14 2014 01:43 GMT
#634
On August 14 2014 10:36 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

[image loading]
[image loading][image loading][image loading]
(Z)Slam              (T)MajOr

Score
0-0


Map: Nimbus

Slam spawns in the bottom left
Major spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first for Slam.
Major getting a barracks and gas.
Slam getting a spawning pool and extractor.

3:00
Reaper for Major.
Reaper going the wrong way for Major.
Zergling speed and two queens for Slam.
Major expanding, gettting a factory and a reactor.

4:00
Reaper goes the wrong way twice before Major realizes he's horizontal.
Starport for Major.
Refinery for Major.
Two hellions on the way.

5:00
Barracks lifting off.
Major moving out.

6:00
Medivac for Major.
Two widow mines on the way.
Slam getting a baneling nest and a third base.
More hellions for Major.

7:00 (Z)Slam 59 vs (T)MajOr 61
Cloaked banshee for Major.
Spine crawler for Slam.
Slam pushing back hellions with zerglings.

8:00 (Z)Slam 71 vs (T)MajOr 68
Widow mines are dropped in the natural of Slam and hellions are attacking the third.
Lots of zerglings and some drones fall.
Widow mines get a second shot.
Spine crawler at the third of Slam.
Two armories for Major.

9:00 (Z)Slam 65 vs (T)MajOr 64
Two more factories for Major.
Major gets 3 hellions and a reaper out of the third of Slam alive.
+1/1 for Slam.

10:00 (Z)Slam 72 vs (T)MajOr 74
+1 mech weapons for Major.
Viking on the way.
Viking killing a scouting overlord.
Major getting an engineering bay.
Spire on the way for Slam.
Major going for the main of Slam with 11 hellbats.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
August 14 2014 01:44 GMT
#635
On August 14 2014 10:37 Jazzman88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 10:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:28 Jazzman88 wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:22 Jazzman88 wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm no TvT specialist, but isn't there any way MajOr could abuse the fact Bomber never scouts ?

Some kind of proxy cheese.


Gas-first proxy Factory->Starport for Marine/Hellion/Medivac elevator right next to his base. Alternatively, gas first proxy Factory/Banshee into 1 base Marine/Tank/Banshee allin.


Thanks guys. I wonder why people don't try that kind of stuff more often against him, he loves money so much he never (am I wrong) scv scouts, at least on 2 players map.


Unless I'm missing sarcasm, probably because it's not a guaranteed thing even with a blind player on the defense. I mean, Bomber ALWAYS gets some combination of Marines/Tanks plus probably a Raven, which so happens to be exactly the composition you need to defend most 1-base cheese play. There are certain ways you can array your forces so that even if a blind attack comes that you don't scout, you're already in a position that enables you to have the best possible chances on the defense.


No you're not missing sarcasm man, I really know nothing about TvT. But then isn't there a way people could play really greedy to compensate for Bomber lack of information ? Maybe the problem would be your teching up to raven too slowly in case Bomber goes banshee ?


Sure, you can go defensive 1-1-1 into 3 CC double E-bay, and just do like Bomber likes to do and smash face with a 14:00 max 2-2 Marine/Tank army. Only problem is if Bomber also does that you then have to out-Bomber Bomber.

I actually liked the way Major approached Game 1 of the series, with Mech versus Bio, but he made some execution errors that allowed Bomber to gain an edge, as well as Bio being REALLY good versus Mech on Sejong with all that airspace and multiple attack angles.


Ah ah I think I understand, trying to outgreed Bomber would actually take the game in a type of game Bomber enjoys. It's really a win-win scenario for him.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 14 2014 01:44 GMT
#636
Wow really surprised to see Puck lose to Slam, but will be interesting to see how Major handles his style here. I'm a bit scared for Juan.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 01:45:51
August 14 2014 01:45 GMT
#637
Ouch this response to hellbats looks like something players did a week after the patch. At least he has a quick spire.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
August 14 2014 01:45 GMT
#638
On August 14 2014 10:43 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 10:36 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

[image loading]
[image loading][image loading][image loading]
(Z)Slam              (T)MajOr

Score
0-0


Map: Nimbus

Slam spawns in the bottom left
Major spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first for Slam.
Major getting a barracks and gas.
Slam getting a spawning pool and extractor.

3:00
Reaper for Major.
Reaper going the wrong way for Major.
Zergling speed and two queens for Slam.
Major expanding, gettting a factory and a reactor.

4:00
Reaper goes the wrong way twice before Major realizes he's horizontal.
Starport for Major.
Refinery for Major.
Two hellions on the way.

5:00
Barracks lifting off.
Major moving out.

6:00
Medivac for Major.
Two widow mines on the way.
Slam getting a baneling nest and a third base.
More hellions for Major.

7:00 (Z)Slam 59 vs (T)MajOr 61
Cloaked banshee for Major.
Spine crawler for Slam.
Slam pushing back hellions with zerglings.

8:00 (Z)Slam 71 vs (T)MajOr 68
Widow mines are dropped in the natural of Slam and hellions are attacking the third.
Lots of zerglings and some drones fall.
Widow mines get a second shot.
Spine crawler at the third of Slam.
Two armories for Major.

9:00 (Z)Slam 65 vs (T)MajOr 64
Two more factories for Major.
Major gets 3 hellions and a reaper out of the third of Slam alive.
+1/1 for Slam.

10:00 (Z)Slam 72 vs (T)MajOr 74
+1 mech weapons for Major.
Viking on the way.
Viking killing a scouting overlord.
Major getting an engineering bay.
Spire on the way for Slam.
Major going for the main of Slam with 11 hellbats.

12:00 (Z)Slam 91 vs (T)MajOr 101
Banelings are in the main and Major kills off most of them before they finish.
Hellbats split.
Major gets into the main mineral line.
Two thors on the way for Major.
Major kills the spire and only 4 mutalisks are begun.

13:00 (Z)Slam 80 vs (T)MajOr 123
Banelings are picked off by banshees.
Mutalisks finally clean up the units of Slam.
Major is on three bases and 3 factories and is getting 2 more.

14:00 (Z)Slam 93 vs (T)MajOr 126
Major moving out again.
Slam GGs!
Major takes a 1-0 lead!
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
August 14 2014 01:45 GMT
#639
There has been some hellbat shots not seen since beta tonight.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
August 14 2014 01:45 GMT
#640
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 1?

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
75%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
25%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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