• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:58
CEST 06:58
KST 13:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach2[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Grand Finals ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach Bot on ladder an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft Human 'N' AI League
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9738 users

Deimos Esports $150 2v2 Invitational! - Page 3

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Tbatz
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada105 Posts
December 29 2013 01:55 GMT
#41
On December 29 2013 10:51 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 10:46 Phanekim wrote:
On December 28 2013 17:12 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
On December 28 2013 16:48 Phanekim wrote:
twilight fortress...scorched haven...reclamation....geosync quarry.....wow......

the new 2v2 ladder map is cool as well as the use rmap but you kept maps from wol and some of the imbalanced rushy maps from hots ladder.

so you put those maps on, then you are going to have 2v2 novices say that 2v2 is just rushing or timing pushes. Its like the organizers never even played remotely even plat level 2v2.

then some idiot is going to say how i haven't suggested. The thread has already made proper suggestions. Reclamation is a horrid map for balance. scorched haven and twilight fortress are from wol beta....


They have already shown that they are willing to adjust the map pool no? Is it final? Changes could still easily be made to make it more balanced.



Its probalby impossible to balance a competition for 2s. certain matchups will always be imbalanced on certain maps. The way around it is through vetoes.

The real problem is that the organizers had not real rationale for their maps choosing. And their map consults of the top players were inevitably going to be biased. What incentive do they have to truly have a balanced tournament?

The most egregious thing is that lets say the maps are a little bit off, the entertainment value of these games will be horrendously low. Games on graystone ravine would be a little bit more enjoyable, but having maps like reclamation will be horrifically boring and strategically simplistic. The top teams have fine tuned their builds/strats towards this, and hence will favor those maps. The organizers fail to see this or understand this.

For example, I don't do this because its unfair to the competitors. But lets take ZT vs ZP on reclamation. Any top level pro will tell you exactly how this matchup is gonna turn out.


A possible way around this maybe... let people choose whatever race they want each game / map? Most high level teams possess the ability to play multiple races. Or, simply have an extensive veto system.


There is Veto, 2 maps for each team.
DeimosTbatz
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
December 29 2013 02:56 GMT
#42
On December 29 2013 10:55 DeimosEsports wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 10:51 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
On December 29 2013 10:46 Phanekim wrote:
On December 28 2013 17:12 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
On December 28 2013 16:48 Phanekim wrote:
twilight fortress...scorched haven...reclamation....geosync quarry.....wow......

the new 2v2 ladder map is cool as well as the use rmap but you kept maps from wol and some of the imbalanced rushy maps from hots ladder.

so you put those maps on, then you are going to have 2v2 novices say that 2v2 is just rushing or timing pushes. Its like the organizers never even played remotely even plat level 2v2.

then some idiot is going to say how i haven't suggested. The thread has already made proper suggestions. Reclamation is a horrid map for balance. scorched haven and twilight fortress are from wol beta....


They have already shown that they are willing to adjust the map pool no? Is it final? Changes could still easily be made to make it more balanced.



Its probalby impossible to balance a competition for 2s. certain matchups will always be imbalanced on certain maps. The way around it is through vetoes.

The real problem is that the organizers had not real rationale for their maps choosing. And their map consults of the top players were inevitably going to be biased. What incentive do they have to truly have a balanced tournament?

The most egregious thing is that lets say the maps are a little bit off, the entertainment value of these games will be horrendously low. Games on graystone ravine would be a little bit more enjoyable, but having maps like reclamation will be horrifically boring and strategically simplistic. The top teams have fine tuned their builds/strats towards this, and hence will favor those maps. The organizers fail to see this or understand this.

For example, I don't do this because its unfair to the competitors. But lets take ZT vs ZP on reclamation. Any top level pro will tell you exactly how this matchup is gonna turn out.


A possible way around this maybe... let people choose whatever race they want each game / map? Most high level teams possess the ability to play multiple races. Or, simply have an extensive veto system.


There is Veto, 2 maps for each team.


If each team has TWO vetos... and they can pick their races going into the tourney based on the map pool if they so wish, then how could there be a problem ^^ Should be fine.
enderodri
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
December 29 2013 16:22 GMT
#43
Why all invitational? You should let top 2x2 ladder teams play here, there is no prize tournaments in 2vs2 that encourage more practice, and the few I see they are only invitational with players that don't play 2vs2 usually and don't know good strats...
Tbatz
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada105 Posts
December 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#44
ON IN 45 MINUTES! =D
DeimosTbatz
JuNQkiE
Profile Joined December 2013
United States11 Posts
December 29 2013 19:02 GMT
#45
tuned in ! good games so far!!
«Rockin' Louis Vuitton condoms, cause I'm so fucking in style wow!
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1982 Posts
December 29 2013 19:48 GMT
#46
I wanted to give sc2 2on2 a chance because i played tons of 2on2 in bw and other rts games but sc2 2on2 is still boring to watch. The cast isnt that good either.
Total Annihilation Zero
enderodri
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
December 29 2013 20:31 GMT
#47
On December 30 2013 04:48 TaShadan wrote:
I wanted to give sc2 2on2 a chance because i played tons of 2on2 in bw and other rts games but sc2 2on2 is still boring to watch. The cast isnt that good either.



Anything its boring if the players are not 2v2 players
odem
Profile Joined August 2011
143 Posts
December 29 2013 22:32 GMT
#48
On December 30 2013 04:48 TaShadan wrote:
I wanted to give sc2 2on2 a chance because i played tons of 2on2 in bw and other rts games but sc2 2on2 is still boring to watch. The cast isnt that good either.


only those things are boring to watch which u have no idea about. if u dont play 2v2 in sc2 its obviously not as tense to watch as for ppl who play 2v2 in sc2 and know about tactics etc

for me 2v2 is the best mod in sc2, just entertaining and a big variety of strategys and matchups

+ teamgames are more interesting in general than only 1v1s. the most successful sports in the tv (except myb boxing/tennis/golf/car racing) are based on teamgames. and thats not a coincidence!
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
December 29 2013 22:57 GMT
#49
I thought the games were great. : s
Cogito, ergo toss.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
December 29 2013 22:57 GMT
#50
Welp, to all the haters, I say that was a fine tournament. 2v2 works!
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Tbatz
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada105 Posts
December 29 2013 23:07 GMT
#51
That was awesome, thanks to everyone who watched =D
DeimosTbatz
jerudd
Profile Joined December 2013
11 Posts
December 29 2013 23:11 GMT
#52
Upload the vods please, great tourney, but i only saw the last 3 games..
Have to say, team Canada sure were rolling hard, ggs
Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
December 29 2013 23:24 GMT
#53
No SuperNinja/Azide invite?

Son I am disappoint
Azide and SuperNinja - Best Double Protoss 2v2 Team!
2v2levels
Profile Joined December 2012
United States88 Posts
December 29 2013 23:43 GMT
#54
On December 30 2013 08:24 Azide wrote:
No SuperNinja/Azide invite?

Son I am disappoint

They even had twilight fortress in the pool.

We were robbed of newbs beating superior players with gimmicks! darn!
A jack of all trades is a master of none.
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
December 29 2013 23:54 GMT
#55
Thanks for the support guys! Here are the vods;

http://www.twitch.tv/tbatz/b/491126698
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
December 30 2013 00:07 GMT
#56
Really well organised 2v2 tournament, hope to see more in the future!
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
enderodri
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
December 30 2013 00:16 GMT
#57
Its sad real tournament with 2v2 players only get 10$ prize ... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436371
Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
December 30 2013 00:39 GMT
#58
On December 30 2013 08:43 2v2levels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 08:24 Azide wrote:
No SuperNinja/Azide invite?

Son I am disappoint

They even had twilight fortress in the pool.

We were robbed of newbs beating superior players with gimmicks! darn!



LOL sup bro
What's ur account name these days?
Azide and SuperNinja - Best Double Protoss 2v2 Team!
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSTL: Grand Finals
CranKy Ducklings126
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
23:00
OSC Masters Cup #151 Qualifier
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 182
StarCraft: Brood War
BeSt 212
hero 200
sorry 42
Mind 27
Terrorterran 22
Bale 17
ZergMaN 10
Noble 10
Icarus 6
Dota 2
monkeys_forever1017
League of Legends
JimRising 711
Counter-Strike
taco 408
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King172
Other Games
summit1g10632
Maynarde195
RuFF_SC2136
ArmadaUGS50
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick473
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 5
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH347
• Hupsaiya 119
• practicex 30
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2122
League of Legends
• Rush1181
• Stunt324
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
5h 2m
Soma vs Jaedong
WardiTV Weekly
6h 2m
Monday Night Weeklies
11h 2m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 5h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 5h
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
1d 19h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
BSL Open Qualifier
6 days
BSL Open Qualifier
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.