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Deimos Esports $150 2v2 Invitational! - Page 3

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Tbatz
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada105 Posts
December 29 2013 01:55 GMT
#41
On December 29 2013 10:51 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 10:46 Phanekim wrote:
On December 28 2013 17:12 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
On December 28 2013 16:48 Phanekim wrote:
twilight fortress...scorched haven...reclamation....geosync quarry.....wow......

the new 2v2 ladder map is cool as well as the use rmap but you kept maps from wol and some of the imbalanced rushy maps from hots ladder.

so you put those maps on, then you are going to have 2v2 novices say that 2v2 is just rushing or timing pushes. Its like the organizers never even played remotely even plat level 2v2.

then some idiot is going to say how i haven't suggested. The thread has already made proper suggestions. Reclamation is a horrid map for balance. scorched haven and twilight fortress are from wol beta....


They have already shown that they are willing to adjust the map pool no? Is it final? Changes could still easily be made to make it more balanced.



Its probalby impossible to balance a competition for 2s. certain matchups will always be imbalanced on certain maps. The way around it is through vetoes.

The real problem is that the organizers had not real rationale for their maps choosing. And their map consults of the top players were inevitably going to be biased. What incentive do they have to truly have a balanced tournament?

The most egregious thing is that lets say the maps are a little bit off, the entertainment value of these games will be horrendously low. Games on graystone ravine would be a little bit more enjoyable, but having maps like reclamation will be horrifically boring and strategically simplistic. The top teams have fine tuned their builds/strats towards this, and hence will favor those maps. The organizers fail to see this or understand this.

For example, I don't do this because its unfair to the competitors. But lets take ZT vs ZP on reclamation. Any top level pro will tell you exactly how this matchup is gonna turn out.


A possible way around this maybe... let people choose whatever race they want each game / map? Most high level teams possess the ability to play multiple races. Or, simply have an extensive veto system.


There is Veto, 2 maps for each team.
DeimosTbatz
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
December 29 2013 02:56 GMT
#42
On December 29 2013 10:55 DeimosEsports wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 10:51 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
On December 29 2013 10:46 Phanekim wrote:
On December 28 2013 17:12 ChosenBrad1322 wrote:
On December 28 2013 16:48 Phanekim wrote:
twilight fortress...scorched haven...reclamation....geosync quarry.....wow......

the new 2v2 ladder map is cool as well as the use rmap but you kept maps from wol and some of the imbalanced rushy maps from hots ladder.

so you put those maps on, then you are going to have 2v2 novices say that 2v2 is just rushing or timing pushes. Its like the organizers never even played remotely even plat level 2v2.

then some idiot is going to say how i haven't suggested. The thread has already made proper suggestions. Reclamation is a horrid map for balance. scorched haven and twilight fortress are from wol beta....


They have already shown that they are willing to adjust the map pool no? Is it final? Changes could still easily be made to make it more balanced.



Its probalby impossible to balance a competition for 2s. certain matchups will always be imbalanced on certain maps. The way around it is through vetoes.

The real problem is that the organizers had not real rationale for their maps choosing. And their map consults of the top players were inevitably going to be biased. What incentive do they have to truly have a balanced tournament?

The most egregious thing is that lets say the maps are a little bit off, the entertainment value of these games will be horrendously low. Games on graystone ravine would be a little bit more enjoyable, but having maps like reclamation will be horrifically boring and strategically simplistic. The top teams have fine tuned their builds/strats towards this, and hence will favor those maps. The organizers fail to see this or understand this.

For example, I don't do this because its unfair to the competitors. But lets take ZT vs ZP on reclamation. Any top level pro will tell you exactly how this matchup is gonna turn out.


A possible way around this maybe... let people choose whatever race they want each game / map? Most high level teams possess the ability to play multiple races. Or, simply have an extensive veto system.


There is Veto, 2 maps for each team.


If each team has TWO vetos... and they can pick their races going into the tourney based on the map pool if they so wish, then how could there be a problem ^^ Should be fine.
enderodri
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
December 29 2013 16:22 GMT
#43
Why all invitational? You should let top 2x2 ladder teams play here, there is no prize tournaments in 2vs2 that encourage more practice, and the few I see they are only invitational with players that don't play 2vs2 usually and don't know good strats...
Tbatz
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada105 Posts
December 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#44
ON IN 45 MINUTES! =D
DeimosTbatz
JuNQkiE
Profile Joined December 2013
United States11 Posts
December 29 2013 19:02 GMT
#45
tuned in ! good games so far!!
«Rockin' Louis Vuitton condoms, cause I'm so fucking in style wow!
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1978 Posts
December 29 2013 19:48 GMT
#46
I wanted to give sc2 2on2 a chance because i played tons of 2on2 in bw and other rts games but sc2 2on2 is still boring to watch. The cast isnt that good either.
Total Annihilation Zero
enderodri
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
December 29 2013 20:31 GMT
#47
On December 30 2013 04:48 TaShadan wrote:
I wanted to give sc2 2on2 a chance because i played tons of 2on2 in bw and other rts games but sc2 2on2 is still boring to watch. The cast isnt that good either.



Anything its boring if the players are not 2v2 players
odem
Profile Joined August 2011
143 Posts
December 29 2013 22:32 GMT
#48
On December 30 2013 04:48 TaShadan wrote:
I wanted to give sc2 2on2 a chance because i played tons of 2on2 in bw and other rts games but sc2 2on2 is still boring to watch. The cast isnt that good either.


only those things are boring to watch which u have no idea about. if u dont play 2v2 in sc2 its obviously not as tense to watch as for ppl who play 2v2 in sc2 and know about tactics etc

for me 2v2 is the best mod in sc2, just entertaining and a big variety of strategys and matchups

+ teamgames are more interesting in general than only 1v1s. the most successful sports in the tv (except myb boxing/tennis/golf/car racing) are based on teamgames. and thats not a coincidence!
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
December 29 2013 22:57 GMT
#49
I thought the games were great. : s
Cogito, ergo toss.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
December 29 2013 22:57 GMT
#50
Welp, to all the haters, I say that was a fine tournament. 2v2 works!
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Tbatz
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada105 Posts
December 29 2013 23:07 GMT
#51
That was awesome, thanks to everyone who watched =D
DeimosTbatz
jerudd
Profile Joined December 2013
11 Posts
December 29 2013 23:11 GMT
#52
Upload the vods please, great tourney, but i only saw the last 3 games..
Have to say, team Canada sure were rolling hard, ggs
Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
December 29 2013 23:24 GMT
#53
No SuperNinja/Azide invite?

Son I am disappoint
Azide and SuperNinja - Best Double Protoss 2v2 Team!
2v2levels
Profile Joined December 2012
United States88 Posts
December 29 2013 23:43 GMT
#54
On December 30 2013 08:24 Azide wrote:
No SuperNinja/Azide invite?

Son I am disappoint

They even had twilight fortress in the pool.

We were robbed of newbs beating superior players with gimmicks! darn!
A jack of all trades is a master of none.
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
December 29 2013 23:54 GMT
#55
Thanks for the support guys! Here are the vods;

http://www.twitch.tv/tbatz/b/491126698
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
December 30 2013 00:07 GMT
#56
Really well organised 2v2 tournament, hope to see more in the future!
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
enderodri
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
December 30 2013 00:16 GMT
#57
Its sad real tournament with 2v2 players only get 10$ prize ... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436371
Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
December 30 2013 00:39 GMT
#58
On December 30 2013 08:43 2v2levels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 08:24 Azide wrote:
No SuperNinja/Azide invite?

Son I am disappoint

They even had twilight fortress in the pool.

We were robbed of newbs beating superior players with gimmicks! darn!



LOL sup bro
What's ur account name these days?
Azide and SuperNinja - Best Double Protoss 2v2 Team!
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