EPTDeimos Esports $150 2v2 Invitational! - Page 2
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PoisonTV
United Kingdom32 Posts
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TechNoTrance
Canada1007 Posts
On December 25 2013 07:28 PoisonTV wrote: I have to ask... why 2v2? Because there aren't very many team game tournaments with pro and semi-pro players, and we figured it would be cool to try a fun and lighthearted event during the holiday season ;D | ||
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ant-1
Canada149 Posts
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Tbatz
Canada105 Posts
On December 26 2013 04:06 ant-1 wrote: Why no Protech? He doesn't want to play in tournaments. | ||
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
On December 25 2013 07:28 PoisonTV wrote: I have to ask... why 2v2? Why host another 1v1 tournament when there are 10 a day, might as well have a couple 2v2 events a year ^^ Plus the best 1v1ers usually want a ton of money to play where as the best 2v2 teams are usually just excited to get an event. | ||
Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On December 26 2013 07:10 ChosenBrad1322 wrote: Why host another 1v1 tournament when there are 10 a day, might as well have a couple 2v2 events a year ^^ Plus the best 1v1ers usually want a ton of money to play where as the best 2v2 teams are usually just excited to get an event. I think we could have taken 1st | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
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Names
Canada328 Posts
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Deleted User 123474
292 Posts
On December 22 2013 13:59 DeimosEsports wrote: Suggest really good 2v2 maps and Ill change them out. Also, LAST TEAM ADDED!! [TtSYF]Hitman/[TtSYF]Fighto Well, from the current ladder: Isle of Slaughter and Resupply Tanker should replace Scorched Haven and Reclamation. From outside of the current ladder: Omega Sector is a good one. I evaluate these maps based on whether outrageously imbalanced strategies (that I know of) can be carried out on them or not. Glad to see you took Bel'Shir Marquee into the tourny. | ||
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Rickyvalle21
United States320 Posts
I think guitarcheese and night have the most experience 2v2ing but skillwise masa and hendralisk will blow everyone away. | ||
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DeimosScorp
Canada3 Posts
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Finalmastery
United States58 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
On December 26 2013 04:06 ant-1 wrote: Why no Protech? Probably because he's not anywhere near as good as any of these players and has insane BM. I think this is pretty well known by just about every good 2v2er for some time now. Good luck to Kontinue and his nooby partner  I'll most certainly be watching this when it's live. There are a few teams I think have a pretty good understanding of some fun gameplay. Should be very entertaining  !+ Show Spoiler + Sorry I couldn't play. I just got back from break tonight ;( | ||
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
On December 28 2013 11:13 -Kyo- wrote: Probably because he's not anywhere near as good as any of these players and has insane BM. I think this is pretty well known by just about every good 2v2er for some time now. This. I've hosted a few 2v2 events for payouts and ProTech never wanted to be involved. He thinks everyone who has ever beat him once is a hacker or stream cheater. If I had to guess, I'd guess he wants to hide behind "the number one random 2v2er in NA" but not actually have pressure to post any results vs good players in a tournament format to back it up. | ||
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Tbatz
Canada105 Posts
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
the new 2v2 ladder map is cool as well as the use rmap but you kept maps from wol and some of the imbalanced rushy maps from hots ladder. so you put those maps on, then you are going to have 2v2 novices say that 2v2 is just rushing or timing pushes. Its like the organizers never even played remotely even plat level 2v2. then some idiot is going to say how i haven't suggested. The thread has already made proper suggestions. Reclamation is a horrid map for balance. scorched haven and twilight fortress are from wol beta.... | ||
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
On December 28 2013 16:48 Phanekim wrote: twilight fortress...scorched haven...reclamation....geosync quarry.....wow...... the new 2v2 ladder map is cool as well as the use rmap but you kept maps from wol and some of the imbalanced rushy maps from hots ladder. so you put those maps on, then you are going to have 2v2 novices say that 2v2 is just rushing or timing pushes. Its like the organizers never even played remotely even plat level 2v2. then some idiot is going to say how i haven't suggested. The thread has already made proper suggestions. Reclamation is a horrid map for balance. scorched haven and twilight fortress are from wol beta.... They have already shown that they are willing to adjust the map pool no? Is it final? Changes could still easily be made to make it more balanced. | ||
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Tbatz
Canada105 Posts
On December 28 2013 16:48 Phanekim wrote: Its like the organizers never even played remotely even plat level 2v2. Just an FYI, the maps went through some of the top 2v2 ranked players in NA. Also, this isn't WCS, It's a fun event. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
On December 28 2013 17:12 ChosenBrad1322 wrote: They have already shown that they are willing to adjust the map pool no? Is it final? Changes could still easily be made to make it more balanced. Its probalby impossible to balance a competition for 2s. certain matchups will always be imbalanced on certain maps. The way around it is through vetoes. The real problem is that the organizers had not real rationale for their maps choosing. And their map consults of the top players were inevitably going to be biased. What incentive do they have to truly have a balanced tournament? The most egregious thing is that lets say the maps are a little bit off, the entertainment value of these games will be horrendously low. Games on graystone ravine would be a little bit more enjoyable, but having maps like reclamation will be horrifically boring and strategically simplistic. The top teams have fine tuned their builds/strats towards this, and hence will favor those maps. The organizers fail to see this or understand this. For example, I don't do this because its unfair to the competitors. But lets take ZT vs ZP on reclamation. Any top level pro will tell you exactly how this matchup is gonna turn out. | ||
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
On December 29 2013 10:46 Phanekim wrote: Its probalby impossible to balance a competition for 2s. certain matchups will always be imbalanced on certain maps. The way around it is through vetoes. The real problem is that the organizers had not real rationale for their maps choosing. And their map consults of the top players were inevitably going to be biased. What incentive do they have to truly have a balanced tournament? The most egregious thing is that lets say the maps are a little bit off, the entertainment value of these games will be horrendously low. Games on graystone ravine would be a little bit more enjoyable, but having maps like reclamation will be horrifically boring and strategically simplistic. The top teams have fine tuned their builds/strats towards this, and hence will favor those maps. The organizers fail to see this or understand this. For example, I don't do this because its unfair to the competitors. But lets take ZT vs ZP on reclamation. Any top level pro will tell you exactly how this matchup is gonna turn out. A possible way around this maybe... let people choose whatever race they want each game / map? Most high level teams possess the ability to play multiple races. Or, simply have an extensive veto system. | ||
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