EPT[Hot6ix Cup] Semi-Finals - Page 29
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:44 Hider wrote: I don't think you understand how poor a job of turrets actually do. 1 turret is so easily sniped, you might as well not build any. That's utter crap you need at least 9 mutas to kill a turret in the mineral line. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:43 VKCA wrote: exactly what happened to bomber soulkey game four yesterday, bomber was ahead, way ahead in army supply, then soulkey just kept backstabbing and distracting bomber, and bomber would loose massive chunks of marines to banelings at the beginning of the fight. Bombers knows that he is in huge trouble if his parade push is stopped. His idea is to force the zerg to require is mutas to be at home defending. Never ending pressure will do that but if the zerg manages to force the terran to regroup and macro up a little bit, then SK showed what will happen. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Topin
Peru10080 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:42 Kitaen wrote: no, just build more turrets :-) he could have afforded 50 turrets for what he lost its simply dumb to not make turrets to stall the mutas a bit you cant build that many turrets withouth killing yourself, i agree 1 turret per mineral line or maybe 2 is the way to go but still mutas will find another point to attack like reactors and other things while the numbres keep increasing. Soulkeys is just to good and Maru couldnt counter to stop him... T_T Maru | ||
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SunflowerSeeds
90 Posts
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hipo
France482 Posts
Best player of 2013 by far! | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:44 Qwerty85 wrote: Rain and Soulkey are good players but damn, I hate PvZ finals. Maybe PvZ with Hero in it, but otherwise, nay. You sure it's because you aren't just bored of PvZ finals? Ha. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9389 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:46 shadymmj wrote: soulkey is the perfect player, getting better and better but there is nothing to deny that terran SUCKED after the patch, period. tanks are still not seen as worth building, especially if you leave them abandoned in the middle of the map (cough bomber) lol. Mines actually seems borderline useless atm. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw them giving the terrans a cost effective engagement. I think it might just be better to not build any at all and instead get Thors as a reponse to mass Mutas. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:46 ZenithM wrote: I think you continously have to build turrets against mass mutalisk play. Even when you have already 4-5 per base, you continue building them like this is a part of your macro rotation. Otherwise the mutaball just goes in and one-shots everything. If I recall correctly that's what Taeja did his last tournament win. thats what i do too. but it helps that i have absolutly shit macro, so i always have the spare minerals to build the turrets. | ||
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VKCA
Canada391 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:46 Fjodorov wrote: Bombers knows that he is in huge trouble if his parade push is stopped. His idea is to force the zerg to require is mutas to be at home defending. Never ending pressure will do that but if the zerg manages to force the terran to regroup and macro up a little bit, then SK showed what will happen. yeah exactly, bomber/inno/mma, all those guys just win off the constant parade push, fou.sC style | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:45 Kitaen wrote: absolutely, its not the biggest deal to make 10-15 turrets in the long run Are you serious? Making that many turrets is a HUGE investment. It is like saying that Protoss don't need nexus cannons because if they made 10-15 regular cannons, they would be fine vs drops and aggression in PvT. Making that much static defense before your 3rd get saturated is a big investment. | ||
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VKCA
Canada391 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:48 Hider wrote: Mines actually seems borderline useless atm. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw them giving the terrans a cost effective engagement. I think it might just be better to not build any at all and instead get Thors as a reponse to mass Mutas. taeja life dreamhack finals........ | ||
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Topin
Peru10080 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:46 ZenithM wrote: I think you continously have to build turrets against mass mutalisk play. Even when you have already 4-5 per base, you continue building them like this is a part of your macro rotation. Otherwise the mutaball just goes in and one-shots everything. If I recall correctly that's what Taeja did his last tournament win. idk man, those muta backstab aer a pain in the ass, turrets only gives you time to go back and defend but that is what the Z wants | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9389 Posts
I saw that finals and really didn't think Mines provided anything special. Not in battles at least. Indeed, it shut down a bit of counterharass opportunities by Life, however. But that's easily avoidable as Soulkey showed in this game, by not counterattacking with your entire force at once, but actually splitting it up. So against players of less caliber of Soulkey, Widow Mines may still have some utility at stopping counterattacks, but its only a matter of time before they become oboslete I believe. | ||
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VKCA
Canada391 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:49 vthree wrote: Are you serious? Making that many turrets is a HUGE investment. It is like saying that Protoss don't need nexus cannons because if they made 10-15 regular cannons, they would be fine vs drops and aggression in PvT. Making that much static defense before your 3rd get saturated is a big investment. "in the long run" he's not saying make 10-15 turrets before you get your third saturated, he's saying you should have made 10-15 turrets by the end of a 25 min game (replacing the ones you loose) | ||
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SunflowerSeeds
90 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:46 ZenithM wrote: I think you continously have to build turrets against mass mutalisk play. Even when you have already 4-5 per base, you continue building them like this is a part of your macro rotation. Otherwise the mutaball just goes in and one-shots everything. If I recall correctly that's what Taeja did his last tournament win. Don't think that's mass muta play, that's just overall advantage, muta count just keeps growing, and still easily hold expansions without muta's help. | ||
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juvenal
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RookUK
United Kingdom283 Posts
That said, it's still awesome that Maru has reached the semi-final in four top Korean tournaments in a row. | ||
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