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On December 07 2013 05:08 RKC wrote:
During the interviews (if Tasteless' translation is correct):
1. Rain confidently predicted Soulkey defeating Maru to meet him in the finals (prior to Maru-Soulkey match)
2. Soulkey said he expected a stronger challenge from Rain (after defeating Maru)
And it showed in the matches - Soulkey was the better player today, by quite a stretch. And whilst I can't comment much about his overall strategies in build (I don't play and watch enough to know the current meta), Maru did a good job in multi-tasking and micro-ing, but Soulkey was just a level above. Maru gave close to his best, but it was not enough.
Sure, Soulkey is not unbeatable. He has his off-days, as do any player. But he is the best Zerg, by quite a stretch. Yes, Life had won foreign tourneys - but those were tourneys Soulkey never had a chance to compete in. So we fall back on the tourneys that both were competing in - the 3 WCS tourneys. Life couldn't even make it to the RO8 and Global Finals. Soulkey could (except he missed out on Global Finals in S2). Also, Soulkey did quite well in Proleague (though he kept losing to Inno - but during that time, which Zerg wouldn't?). So putting things into perspective, Soulkey achieved much, much more than Life in 2013.
(Maybe I did suggest or even say that Life isn't a solid Zerg. That may be wrong. Solid or not, Life is currently a level or two below Soulkey - that's my real point. So if Life is solid, Soulkey is super-solid.)
In results this year maybe. In pure skill based on the games recently, Life's not far behind at all. In fact, I think once code S starts up again he'll return to being the best Zerg. Soulkey only really has him beat in ZvZ, Life is way better in ZvT and ZvP is probably a draw between the two (leaning more Soulkey, if i had to pick one).
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On December 07 2013 06:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 05:08 RKC wrote:
During the interviews (if Tasteless' translation is correct):
1. Rain confidently predicted Soulkey defeating Maru to meet him in the finals (prior to Maru-Soulkey match)
2. Soulkey said he expected a stronger challenge from Rain (after defeating Maru)
And it showed in the matches - Soulkey was the better player today, by quite a stretch. And whilst I can't comment much about his overall strategies in build (I don't play and watch enough to know the current meta), Maru did a good job in multi-tasking and micro-ing, but Soulkey was just a level above. Maru gave close to his best, but it was not enough.
Sure, Soulkey is not unbeatable. He has his off-days, as do any player. But he is the best Zerg, by quite a stretch. Yes, Life had won foreign tourneys - but those were tourneys Soulkey never had a chance to compete in. So we fall back on the tourneys that both were competing in - the 3 WCS tourneys. Life couldn't even make it to the RO8 and Global Finals. Soulkey could (except he missed out on Global Finals in S2). Also, Soulkey did quite well in Proleague (though he kept losing to Inno - but during that time, which Zerg wouldn't?). So putting things into perspective, Soulkey achieved much, much more than Life in 2013.
(Maybe I did suggest or even say that Life isn't a solid Zerg. That may be wrong. Solid or not, Life is currently a level or two below Soulkey - that's my real point. So if Life is solid, Soulkey is super-solid.) In results this year maybe. In pure skill based on the games recently, Life's not far behind at all. In fact, I think once code S starts up again he'll return to being the best Zerg. Soulkey only really has him beat in ZvZ, Life is way better in ZvT and ZvP is probably a draw between the two (leaning more Soulkey, if i had to pick one).
How is Life is WAY better than SoulKey in other 2 match-ups but still spent half year in Code A. Nonsense.
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On December 07 2013 07:07 Evenshade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 06:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On December 07 2013 05:08 RKC wrote:
During the interviews (if Tasteless' translation is correct):
1. Rain confidently predicted Soulkey defeating Maru to meet him in the finals (prior to Maru-Soulkey match)
2. Soulkey said he expected a stronger challenge from Rain (after defeating Maru)
And it showed in the matches - Soulkey was the better player today, by quite a stretch. And whilst I can't comment much about his overall strategies in build (I don't play and watch enough to know the current meta), Maru did a good job in multi-tasking and micro-ing, but Soulkey was just a level above. Maru gave close to his best, but it was not enough.
Sure, Soulkey is not unbeatable. He has his off-days, as do any player. But he is the best Zerg, by quite a stretch. Yes, Life had won foreign tourneys - but those were tourneys Soulkey never had a chance to compete in. So we fall back on the tourneys that both were competing in - the 3 WCS tourneys. Life couldn't even make it to the RO8 and Global Finals. Soulkey could (except he missed out on Global Finals in S2). Also, Soulkey did quite well in Proleague (though he kept losing to Inno - but during that time, which Zerg wouldn't?). So putting things into perspective, Soulkey achieved much, much more than Life in 2013.
(Maybe I did suggest or even say that Life isn't a solid Zerg. That may be wrong. Solid or not, Life is currently a level or two below Soulkey - that's my real point. So if Life is solid, Soulkey is super-solid.) In results this year maybe. In pure skill based on the games recently, Life's not far behind at all. In fact, I think once code S starts up again he'll return to being the best Zerg. Soulkey only really has him beat in ZvZ, Life is way better in ZvT and ZvP is probably a draw between the two (leaning more Soulkey, if i had to pick one). How is Life is WAY better than SoulKey in other 2 match-ups but still spent half year in Code A. Nonsense.
I can't tell if you're terrible at reading, missed his point or if you would just prefer for Soulkey to be the undisputed best Zerg.
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WJS better find a way for Soulkey to play in PL, cause at this rate It's going to be PL without the top 3 zergs...
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Rain is on fire, should be a good finals!
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Life better than Soulkey?what a joke.
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I'm 6/6 for predictions so far. Voting for Rain for the finals.
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On December 07 2013 09:16 Zenbrez wrote:
I'm 6/6 for predictions so far. Voting for Rain for the finals.
Ouch... looks like you'll end up at 6/7 
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On December 07 2013 06:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 05:08 RKC wrote:
During the interviews (if Tasteless' translation is correct):
1. Rain confidently predicted Soulkey defeating Maru to meet him in the finals (prior to Maru-Soulkey match)
2. Soulkey said he expected a stronger challenge from Rain (after defeating Maru)
And it showed in the matches - Soulkey was the better player today, by quite a stretch. And whilst I can't comment much about his overall strategies in build (I don't play and watch enough to know the current meta), Maru did a good job in multi-tasking and micro-ing, but Soulkey was just a level above. Maru gave close to his best, but it was not enough.
Sure, Soulkey is not unbeatable. He has his off-days, as do any player. But he is the best Zerg, by quite a stretch. Yes, Life had won foreign tourneys - but those were tourneys Soulkey never had a chance to compete in. So we fall back on the tourneys that both were competing in - the 3 WCS tourneys. Life couldn't even make it to the RO8 and Global Finals. Soulkey could (except he missed out on Global Finals in S2). Also, Soulkey did quite well in Proleague (though he kept losing to Inno - but during that time, which Zerg wouldn't?). So putting things into perspective, Soulkey achieved much, much more than Life in 2013.
(Maybe I did suggest or even say that Life isn't a solid Zerg. That may be wrong. Solid or not, Life is currently a level or two below Soulkey - that's my real point. So if Life is solid, Soulkey is super-solid.) In results this year maybe. In pure skill based on the games recently, Life's not far behind at all. In fact, I think once code S starts up again he'll return to being the best Zerg. Soulkey only really has him beat in ZvZ, Life is way better in ZvT and ZvP is probably a draw between the two (leaning more Soulkey, if i had to pick one).
Fair enough. They are quite close in terms of potential and their maximum skill ceiling, though I still think Soulkey is a stronger overall player.
But in terms of overall form and results this year, Soulkey takes the cake. No debate for me. The real debate is for 2nd/3rd place - Life or Jaedong?
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On December 07 2013 11:30 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 06:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On December 07 2013 05:08 RKC wrote:
During the interviews (if Tasteless' translation is correct):
1. Rain confidently predicted Soulkey defeating Maru to meet him in the finals (prior to Maru-Soulkey match)
2. Soulkey said he expected a stronger challenge from Rain (after defeating Maru)
And it showed in the matches - Soulkey was the better player today, by quite a stretch. And whilst I can't comment much about his overall strategies in build (I don't play and watch enough to know the current meta), Maru did a good job in multi-tasking and micro-ing, but Soulkey was just a level above. Maru gave close to his best, but it was not enough.
Sure, Soulkey is not unbeatable. He has his off-days, as do any player. But he is the best Zerg, by quite a stretch. Yes, Life had won foreign tourneys - but those were tourneys Soulkey never had a chance to compete in. So we fall back on the tourneys that both were competing in - the 3 WCS tourneys. Life couldn't even make it to the RO8 and Global Finals. Soulkey could (except he missed out on Global Finals in S2). Also, Soulkey did quite well in Proleague (though he kept losing to Inno - but during that time, which Zerg wouldn't?). So putting things into perspective, Soulkey achieved much, much more than Life in 2013.
(Maybe I did suggest or even say that Life isn't a solid Zerg. That may be wrong. Solid or not, Life is currently a level or two below Soulkey - that's my real point. So if Life is solid, Soulkey is super-solid.) In results this year maybe. In pure skill based on the games recently, Life's not far behind at all. In fact, I think once code S starts up again he'll return to being the best Zerg. Soulkey only really has him beat in ZvZ, Life is way better in ZvT and ZvP is probably a draw between the two (leaning more Soulkey, if i had to pick one). Fair enough. They are quite close in terms of potential and their maximum skill ceiling, though I still think Soulkey is a stronger overall player. But in terms of overall form and results this year, Soulkey takes the cake. No debate for me. The real debate is for 2nd/3rd place - Life or Jaedong?
Result wise, Jaedong no doubt. Skill wise, neither.
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SO the VOD's on twitch have 0 quality options. good waste of $50....
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I have the quality options, but the results get spoiled by the amount of VODs
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On December 07 2013 01:10 SunflowerSeeds wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:47 Ramiz1989 wrote:On December 07 2013 00:42 Zealously wrote:On December 07 2013 00:16 SunflowerSeeds wrote:On December 07 2013 00:14 Topin wrote:On December 07 2013 00:12 RKC wrote:On December 07 2013 00:03 opterown wrote:On December 07 2013 00:02 StarStruck wrote:On December 06 2013 23:59 opterown wrote:
i truly believe bogus lost the finals and not soulkey winning, and i don't believe zerg is underperforming at all. sure there are probably 3 top zergs compared to maybe 5 top terrans and 4 top protoss, but that's just normal variance.
anyway, whatever. maru has played spectacularly for the second half of the year, and has only lost to the best of the best, and no-one else really. people laud soulkey's straight RO8s but maru's straight RO4s are nothing to sneeze at. Oh you most certainly could make an argument for the race under performing. Very few have been carrying the torch for the Zerg throughout the whole year. you could, but i could probably make that same argument for any race. i think sc2 balance is in a very good spot right now. I'm not talking about balance. All I'm just saying is that currently, there's no real solid Zerg player, except Soulkey. Being heads above the rest in a race that forms 1/3 of a game is an achievement, and a testament of his skill. life would like to have a talk with you He's not solid for almost a year already. You're right, he has only won 3(4) championships this year and placed second in a fourth. Not very solid at all unfortunately, Was waiting for you. :D But I don't know why people are saying that Life is not solid. He maybe isn't as consistent with as Soulkey or Jaedong, but on a good day, he really can beat anyone. I would still place him second if I had to rate him as a Zerg player, first being Soulkey. Any Korean pro on a good day can beat any players. That's how SC2 works.
That isn't true at all. Skill matters a lot in this game, you can clearly see the difference between someone like Soulkey, and someone like Leenock, since Leenock has been underperforming a lot since the beginning of HotS. And no, I don't think that someone like Creator for example can beat Soulkey even on his best day in Bo3 or Bo5 series.
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btw i'm not doing the finals, someone sort plz tyty~
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On December 07 2013 07:31 Dodgin wrote:
WJS better find a way for Soulkey to play in PL, cause at this rate It's going to be PL without the top 3 zergs...
Prime + WJS plz
Maru, sOs and Soulkey. One of each race.
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