EPT[WCS] Day 2 Season 2 Grand Finals 2013 - Page 111
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Doublemint
Austria8601 Posts
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Absentia
United Kingdom973 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:03 -_- wrote: Terran needs a PvT buff. Maybe make Ghosts get their original EMP radius back, or increase snipe range so it straight up outranges storm, or both. Protoss players just turtle and harass, then wait for the right big fight. TvP seems to be balanced on a knife edge. If Blizzards starts undermining Protoss' AOE, I can imagine the balance shifting straight to Terran favoured. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:04 Brian333 wrote: Easily. Throw in a small pack of Ravens (Alive had like 3k gas banked) for PDD and the Tempests shots get stopped. Switch out the useless MM for more Ghosts and Vikings. Its harder on such a huge map as Whirlwind, because the "battlefield" is pretty large and you wont have the energy to cover every bit of ground with a PDD to stop the Tempests, so the Raven - which doesnt deal damage on its own - only suppresses the shots for a limited area ... AND Protoss also have this unit called High Templar, which can Feedback the PDDs if they are put forward too much. IMO the "reasonable" way to beat this is to not try to beat the army but to harrass the economy of the Protoss. | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
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HotGlueGun
United States1409 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:07 Exarl25 wrote: Do you realize how much gas a Colossus/Tempest/HT army costs? Ravens work against this, we have seen it before. PDDs completely negate the Tempest, they fire too slowly. HT can't get close enough to Feedback if you have a large Ghost count and keep up the scans. Know what is also excellent there? Tanks. The HT die to the Tank fire before they get in range of anything. PDD keeps everything safe from the Tempest. Is this real life? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:07 Schelim wrote: i honestly think in this game in particular - or at least in that one engagement - aLive would've been fine if he would've actually focused the tempests with his vikings and then killed the colossi afterwards... Archons/Tempests/Storm win against Vikings anyway. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:06 VmY wrote: There is a difference between discussing possible options terran has late game against this and 'Balance whining from the terran' | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:06 TheDwf wrote: Not to mention their only use is PDD (it's too easy to just run away against Missiles), so Protoss can simply not make stalks/tempests and you end up with flying ducks. ravens give detection for observers so they can never have vision over your army, and in big fights hunter seeker missles are gosu and its only a few ravens man, its not like we are saying get 30 lol people just aren't even considering how to do it, just disregarding it without even trying it. | ||
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M.R. McThundercrotch
United States265 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:05 Zheryn wrote: You're not supposed to kill the tempest, just make them unable to do any damage ^^ Hahaha, full Spoon Terran. | ||
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pmp10
3351 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:05 Conut wrote: dude bcs would totally help. you could cast yamato out of the range of the hightemplar feedback, and pdd stops the tempest shots, just saying no without giving any reasons doesn't help the conversation No because with tempests protoss range is superior. In the long run they can spoon terran better with this composition. | ||
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:07 eXdeath wrote: Isn't the weakness of this composition slow mobility? No way to abuse this as a terran? well with cannons and fullenergy HTS scattered as First did, he did very well in the semibasetrade and came back at a good moment, would have been even better had he a MSC with his army. | ||
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KaneZ
Germany202 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:05 Weavel wrote: And how much gas does toss need to make that army? Terrans not used to spend gas for anything else than upgrades. | ||
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pak150
United States531 Posts
Also -- to address the previous comment. I think he overbuilt ghosts to some extent so he could've dumped the excess gas into ravens. | ||
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
Just 1 game with tempest in the tournament and we see all the terrans screaming? Weird. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:08 Conut wrote: ravens give detection for observers so they can never have vision over your army, and in big fights hunter seeker missles are gosu and its only a few ravens man, its not like we are saying get 30 lol people just aren't even considering how to do it, just disregarding it without even trying it. Make 1-2 Oracle(s), cast Revelation, enjoy full vision. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
You think I am just making this up? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hF3L26X3RP4#t=3769 | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On August 24 2013 22:08 TheDwf wrote: Archons/Tempests/Storm win against Vikings anyway. yeah, but that shit wasn't there. | ||
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