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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2181
On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.

Not to mention their only use is PDD (it's too easy to just run away against Missiles), so Protoss can simply not make stalks/tempests and you end up with flying ducks.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2182
I'm not even gonna start discussing.

Balance whining again from terran.
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2183
I wish Ravens were viable late game against Protoss. It would make the match up more interesting as a terran player.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2184
On August 24 2013 22:04 Glorfindel! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:02 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:02 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:01 teddyoojo wrote:
can u actually beat collossus ht tempest in theory?

BC Raven Ghost may work :D

You have no idea what Tempest does to BCs.

Same thing that Raven does to Tempest, right?
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Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2185
On August 24 2013 22:04 Douillos wrote:
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On August 24 2013 22:03 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:02 CikaZombi wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:01 Salivanth wrote:
I'm not sure how this army can possibly be destroyed. Tempests in that amount beat Vikings, as sOs showed us vs. InnoVation in the last season finals. Marines beat Tempests as InnoVation showed us in that same game...but Colossi own Marines and Chargelots protect the Colossi!

Wow.

Raven.


Ravens suck. Slow, expensive, can be feedbacked (as well as its pdd or did it get changed again?) . So now, thats not the solution :x


With proper control, you re not supposed to get your raven's feedbacked...


With ravens your getting hit constantly from a massive range by tempest, and while you move your Ravens slowly forward they can be feedbacked easily/zoned by storm.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2186
Couple of PDD would have owned that shit.
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2187
On August 24 2013 22:05 Weavel wrote:
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On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.
And how much gas does toss need to make that army?

dude he clearly could have gotten ravens instead of making that many ghosts when he saw that army, and you need less vikings as well, basically you need less units that cost gas, when getting ravens lol
Sc2 always got your back
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2188
On August 24 2013 22:03 pmp10 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 22:01 VmY wrote:
Why are Rotterdam/Kaelaris so surprised? Going Tempest lategame isn't something unheard of and I actually haven't seen a terran beat it yet.

Because it's unusual at pro level.
And Innovation did beat it once.


innovation did not
he beated ht+tempest wif zealots
where marauders passed through storm to solve high templars and marines cleaned tempests.

today its' colossus ht and tempest
Incredible Miracle
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2189
On August 24 2013 22:04 Douillos wrote:
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On August 24 2013 22:03 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:02 CikaZombi wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:01 Salivanth wrote:
I'm not sure how this army can possibly be destroyed. Tempests in that amount beat Vikings, as sOs showed us vs. InnoVation in the last season finals. Marines beat Tempests as InnoVation showed us in that same game...but Colossi own Marines and Chargelots protect the Colossi!

Wow.

Raven.


Ravens suck. Slow, expensive, can be feedbacked (as well as its pdd or did it get changed again?) . So now, thats not the solution :x


With proper control, you re not supposed to get your raven's feedbacked...


With proper control you are not supposed to clumb up Hts and get them emp'd. Happens everytime. With proper control you could actually put HTs in warpprism and profit. But Protoss in 2013 cannot do in Starcraft 2 what has been done 7 years in the past in Broodwar (in which it was way harder).

Ravens are simply not good in very-lategame. The range of tempest is good enough to either shoot them down or force PDDs defensively, and you won't have them offensively. There is a reason why we don't see that all too much if at all.
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Nauseam
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden191 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2190
On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.


LOL. Do you realize what Alive's gas bank was? And do you realize how much gas there is in so many colossus, HT and Tempest?

You don't need MASS raven. You need a few of them for PDD, that's all. It takes forever for Tempest to clear out PDD.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2191
Mass Tempests are not fun to watch.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2192
On August 24 2013 22:06 Raambo11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:04 Douillos wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:03 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:02 CikaZombi wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:01 Salivanth wrote:
I'm not sure how this army can possibly be destroyed. Tempests in that amount beat Vikings, as sOs showed us vs. InnoVation in the last season finals. Marines beat Tempests as InnoVation showed us in that same game...but Colossi own Marines and Chargelots protect the Colossi!

Wow.

Raven.


Ravens suck. Slow, expensive, can be feedbacked (as well as its pdd or did it get changed again?) . So now, thats not the solution :x


With proper control, you re not supposed to get your raven's feedbacked...


With ravens your getting hit constantly from a massive range by tempest, and while you move your Ravens slowly forward they can be feedbacked easily/zoned by storm.


PDD blocks the shots from tempests
Sc2 always got your back
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 13:07:10
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2193
On August 24 2013 22:04 Brian333 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 22:01 teddyoojo wrote:
can u actually beat collossus ht tempest in theory?


Easily.

Throw in a small pack of Ravens (Alive had like 3k gas banked) for PDD and the Tempests shots get stopped. Switch out the useless MM for more Ghosts and Vikings.


This kind of suggestion sound good in theory, but we actually need to see all this theorizing that goes on all the time in TL in practice or it really doesn´t work.
VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
August 24 2013 13:06 GMT
#2194
On August 24 2013 22:06 Douillos wrote:
I'm not even gonna start discussing.

Balance whining again from terran.


There is a difference between discussing possible options terran has late game against this and 'Balance whining from the terran'
Why can't I quit you, siege tank? FanTaSy, Mvp.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#2195
On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.


Do you realize how much gas a Colossus/Tempest/HT army costs? Ravens work against this, we have seen it before. PDDs completely negate the Tempest, they fire too slowly. HT can't get close enough to Feedback if you have a large Ghost count and keep up the scans.

Know what is also excellent there? Tanks. The HT die to the Tank fire before they get in range of anything. PDD keeps everything safe from the Tempest.
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
August 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#2196
Terran has nothing except MMMM, and late game MMMM vs Protos is bad. Protoss has too many toys and AOEs.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
eXdeath
Profile Joined August 2011
France66 Posts
August 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#2197
Isn't the weakness of this composition slow mobility? No way to abuse this as a terran?
metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
August 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#2198
On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.


aLive was banking tons of gas. You don't need many ravens, just enough to PDD. It's really not a big investment, but it is a slow investment and you have to scout the tempests...
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#2199
i honestly think in this game in particular - or at least in that one engagement - aLive would've been fine if he would've actually focused the tempests with his vikings and then killed the colossi afterwards...
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#2200
On August 24 2013 22:07 eXdeath wrote:
Isn't the weakness of this composition slow mobility? No way to abuse this as a terran?

Warp, Cannons, Recall, defensive Templars...
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