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VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
August 24 2013 13:10 GMT
#2221
On August 24 2013 22:08 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:06 VmY wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:06 Douillos wrote:
I'm not even gonna start discussing.

Balance whining again from terran.


There is a difference between discussing possible options terran has late game against this and 'Balance whining from the terran'




Nice response, 10/10 would respond to your whining about whining again.

Maybe mass raven/some siege tanks to ward ht's work like Thorzain did, but I'm not sure if that works on Whirlwind.
Why can't I quit you, siege tank? FanTaSy, Mvp.
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
August 24 2013 13:10 GMT
#2222
All Terrans are getting stomped left and right. Inno, Maru, Alive...Bomber was stomped by Rain in WGC Korea.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 24 2013 13:10 GMT
#2223
On August 24 2013 22:07 Schelim wrote:
i honestly think in this game in particular - or at least in that one engagement - aLive would've been fine if he would've actually focused the tempests with his vikings and then killed the colossi afterwards...


No way in hell. do you not understand how quickly tempests DEMOLISH vikings? then on top of that most of the vikings were heavily damaged from quite a few storms
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 24 2013 13:10 GMT
#2224
On August 24 2013 22:07 Exarl25 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.


Do you realize how much gas a Colossus/Tempest/HT army costs? Ravens work against this, we have seen it before. PDDs completely negate the Tempest, they fire too slowly. HT can't get close enough to Feedback if you have a large Ghost count and keep up the scans.

Know what is also excellent there? Tanks. The HT die to the Tank fire before they get in range of anything. PDD keeps everything safe from the Tempest.


You just suggested using tanks in TvP.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 24 2013 13:10 GMT
#2225
On August 24 2013 22:10 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:08 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:07 Schelim wrote:
i honestly think in this game in particular - or at least in that one engagement - aLive would've been fine if he would've actually focused the tempests with his vikings and then killed the colossi afterwards...

Archons/Tempests/Storm win against Vikings anyway.

yeah, but that shit wasn't there.

? He had all of this in the fight after the base race.
Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
August 24 2013 13:11 GMT
#2226
On August 24 2013 22:06 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Mass Tempests are not fun to watch.


That's a matter of perspective .
[stranded]: http://www.indiedb.com/games/stranded
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 24 2013 13:11 GMT
#2227
On August 24 2013 22:08 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:05 Conut wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:02 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:02 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:01 teddyoojo wrote:
can u actually beat collossus ht tempest in theory?

BC Raven Ghost may work :D

Just no.

After all it shall come down to your ability to get rid of Hts before they kill everything you have.

dude bcs would totally help. you could cast yamato out of the range of the hightemplar feedback, and pdd stops the tempest shots, just saying no without giving any reasons doesn't help the conversation

No because with tempests protoss range is superior.
In the long run they can spoon terran better with this composition.


they cant with PDDs , i feel its down to control man.
Sc2 always got your back
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
August 24 2013 13:11 GMT
#2228
I dont know why but started lagging so much more today than yesterday for me now
(:
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2013 13:11 GMT
#2229
2 ZERGS ENTER THE TOURNAMENT

2 ZERGS END THE TOURNAMENT

ZVZ FINALS HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE

+ Show Spoiler +
6pool
owlman
Profile Joined August 2009
France58 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2230
All you guys whining about tempest strenght should definitely load up an unit tester and try viking vs tempest ...Upgraded vikings will ALWAYS win vs tempest supply wise (and cost wise obviously) even without emp.
Raven is not even mandatory to fight that comp ( can be usefull if you're not bad at using them)
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2231
On August 24 2013 22:10 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:07 Exarl25 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.


Do you realize how much gas a Colossus/Tempest/HT army costs? Ravens work against this, we have seen it before. PDDs completely negate the Tempest, they fire too slowly. HT can't get close enough to Feedback if you have a large Ghost count and keep up the scans.

Know what is also excellent there? Tanks. The HT die to the Tank fire before they get in range of anything. PDD keeps everything safe from the Tempest.


You just suggested using tanks in TvP.


tanks are pretty good in tvp actually, just gotta get ghosts with them, or they were in Wol, i stopped playing mech in hots
Sc2 always got your back
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2232
On August 24 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:08 Conut wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:06 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.

Not to mention their only use is PDD (it's too easy to just run away against Missiles), so Protoss can simply not make stalks/tempests and you end up with flying ducks.


ravens give detection for observers so they can never have vision over your army, and in big fights hunter seeker missles are gosu and its only a few ravens man, its not like we are saying get 30 lol people just aren't even considering how to do it, just disregarding it without even trying it.

Make 1-2 Oracle(s), cast Revelation, enjoy full vision.


Man every tvp that i've followed these lasts months you're in the LR thread discretily balance whining. You really hate that match up don't you?
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2233
On August 24 2013 22:11 bo1b wrote:
2 ZERGS ENTER THE TOURNAMENT

2 ZERGS END THE TOURNAMENT

ZVZ FINALS HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE

+ Show Spoiler +
6pool


not.
it will be Jaedong vs Rain.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2234
On August 24 2013 22:10 p14c wrote:
All Terrans are getting stomped left and right. Inno, Maru, Alive...Bomber was stomped by Rain in WGC Korea.


And Rain got stomped by Maru, but we sure like to rush to conclusions
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2235
Oh sick. Both foreigners made it out 2-0.
kiss kiss fall in love
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8601 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2236
On August 24 2013 22:10 p14c wrote:
All Terrans are getting stomped left and right. Inno, Maru, Alive...Bomber was stomped by Rain in WGC Korea.


"terrans should win everything, not just 2 out of 3 regional WCS finals"
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2237
I agree that say 4-5 Ravens could help somewhat. But I don't think it would win the game, it would just make it slightly harder for Protoss to engage. PDDs are nice but Protoss can just retreat or feedback.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2238
On August 24 2013 22:10 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:07 Exarl25 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:04 Raambo11 wrote:
Everyone saying go Raven. Do you realize how much gas you need to get enough ravens out to matter? Also Ravens are terribly slow and easily feedbacked.


Do you realize how much gas a Colossus/Tempest/HT army costs? Ravens work against this, we have seen it before. PDDs completely negate the Tempest, they fire too slowly. HT can't get close enough to Feedback if you have a large Ghost count and keep up the scans.

Know what is also excellent there? Tanks. The HT die to the Tank fire before they get in range of anything. PDD keeps everything safe from the Tempest.


You just suggested using tanks in TvP.




Drop the Tanks are useless circle jerk and actually think about the situation. A few Tanks are invaluable against that army comp.
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
August 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#2239
On August 24 2013 22:03 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:02 CikaZombi wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:01 Salivanth wrote:
I'm not sure how this army can possibly be destroyed. Tempests in that amount beat Vikings, as sOs showed us vs. InnoVation in the last season finals. Marines beat Tempests as InnoVation showed us in that same game...but Colossi own Marines and Chargelots protect the Colossi!

Wow.

Raven.


Ravens suck. Slow, expensive, can be feedbacked (as well as its pdd or did it get changed again?) . So now, thats not the solution :x


You don't have to get close to the HT's like you have to with ghosts or vice versa for PDD to work. Yes they can be fedback (even the PDDs) but if he gets close to feedback he is leaving HTs exposed and he is not feedbacking your ghosts (not all of them anyway it is as it should be up to micro and positioning). Meanwhile his tempests and stalkers don't do damage because of the PDD and you can slowly push they front with them to either have a good engagement or setup yourself better for the later game. Their speed is a problem tho and the supply that goes in them, but ghosts and vikings aren't fast as well, so it equalizes. Besides that composition is already bad with dealing with zealot harass so Ravens don't come as a factor in that calculation. You need planetaries, depots and sensor towers, which you can afford in this ultra late game scenario.
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 24 2013 13:13 GMT
#2240
This is a sick 1/1 timing if aLive can hit it unhindered by aggression.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
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