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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
June 16 2013 16:04 GMT
#1421
On June 17 2013 01:03 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:01 skyflyfish wrote:
TIL 4 > 5

TIL -4 > -3


isnt it -4 < -3?

regardless, dreamhacks tourny, rules, money, decision, its not like it was made up on the fly, and some anger is understandable due to the miscommunication, but please stop now...
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 16 2013 16:05 GMT
#1422
On June 17 2013 01:03 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Lame. In the world cup, it's goal differential and then goals scored. Someone should fix these idiotic rules.


It is not analagous to goals scored/conceded in football. At all. This stuff comes up all the time in these threads and people do not understand. Number of maps won does not matter whatsoever.

5/4 is clearly worse than 4/3. This is not really arguable.
Red and yellow are all I see
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
June 16 2013 16:05 GMT
#1423
On June 17 2013 01:04 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 00:59 Scarecrow wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:54 Bagi wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:47 Wintex wrote:
I sense favoritism for the swede. This isnt making sense. 5>4 and that's maps WON. Lucky should advance.

"My Koreans should advance despite having equal map score and losing the head-to-head match, else its favoritism!"

Seriously, I'm getting real tired of your shtick.

No, Thorzain won less maps and shouldn't advance. H2H is only okay when there's nothing else differentiating the players.

Since when do we only consider maps won and not maps lost? They both end up with +1 map wins, but please do explain why maps won is the only reasonable metric. I'd love to hear it.

Because you handled the other players in the group better. A 2-0 can be close, but most of the time, it is more onesided than even. I guess.
The Bomber boy
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
June 16 2013 16:05 GMT
#1424
Thorzaine advances, like he should.

The first decision was a mistake.
SoulHarvester
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada151 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1425
On June 17 2013 01:03 KingAlphard wrote:

In my opinion, it's your system that is retarded. Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


In soccer it's normally goal difference and when that's the same it's the amount of goals scored that counts. Just seems natural. But recently in soccer tourneys they started to also let the H2H count over the amount of goals scored...
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1426
Lol Incontrol xD
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1427
Jaedong playing and these casters talking shit...literally... -.-
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1428
incontrol is on good meds
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1429
--- Nuked ---
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1430
On June 17 2013 01:04 mango_destroyer wrote:
How about we all agree we have our own interpretations of what is fair, and that DH rules aren`t that clearly stated. They have made their decision however.

Exactly, the problem lies in the rules and we bitch every time but it aint resolved.
The Bomber boy
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1431
On June 17 2013 01:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:03 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Lame. In the world cup, it's goal differential and then goals scored. Someone should fix these idiotic rules.


It is not analagous to goals scored/conceded in football. At all. This stuff comes up all the time in these threads and people do not understand. Number of maps won does not matter whatsoever.

5/4 is clearly worse than 4/3. This is not really arguable.

It's not worse, it's equal. Lucky had one more win but ThorZaIN had one less loss. Even. Hence why they moved onto the next tiebreaker method, head to head.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1432
Fun fact, you can deny elfi's strat with 2 lings hitting the rocks.
Moderator
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
June 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#1433
The plural of nexus is not nexi. Stop it.
SebaZ
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy223 Posts
June 16 2013 16:07 GMT
#1434
On June 17 2013 00:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
In my book: more wins should equal advancement regardless of losses.

I think the one that won the head to head should win regardless of map scores. So glad that thorzain was able to pull it off
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 16 2013 16:07 GMT
#1435
On June 17 2013 01:05 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:04 Bagi wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:59 Scarecrow wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:54 Bagi wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:47 Wintex wrote:
I sense favoritism for the swede. This isnt making sense. 5>4 and that's maps WON. Lucky should advance.

"My Koreans should advance despite having equal map score and losing the head-to-head match, else its favoritism!"

Seriously, I'm getting real tired of your shtick.

No, Thorzain won less maps and shouldn't advance. H2H is only okay when there's nothing else differentiating the players.

Since when do we only consider maps won and not maps lost? They both end up with +1 map wins, but please do explain why maps won is the only reasonable metric. I'd love to hear it.

Because you handled the other players in the group better. A 2-0 can be close, but most of the time, it is more onesided than even. I guess.

Oh fuck, I bet you would be arguing this if a foreigner dropped out?

Seriously the only reason for this argument is because of KR fanboys who can't accept that their guy lost fair and square.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 16 2013 16:08 GMT
#1436
On June 17 2013 01:06 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:03 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Lame. In the world cup, it's goal differential and then goals scored. Someone should fix these idiotic rules.


It is not analagous to goals scored/conceded in football. At all. This stuff comes up all the time in these threads and people do not understand. Number of maps won does not matter whatsoever.

5/4 is clearly worse than 4/3. This is not really arguable.

It's not worse, it's equal. Lucky had one more win but ThorZaIN had one less loss. Even. Hence why they moved onto the next tiebreaker method, head to head.


I understand they used H2H. But even if they didn't: 5/4 is worse than 4/3 as it is a worse % win ratio. It is equal in map score, +1, but not equal in % win ratio. This is a legitimate differential in this scenario. Number of maps won is not.
Red and yellow are all I see
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
June 16 2013 16:08 GMT
#1437
On June 17 2013 01:06 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:02 Musicus wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:56 greenelve wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:54 Musicus wrote:
On June 17 2013 00:53 greenelve wrote:
Is it known at which stream Jaedong games will be casted?


On the mainstream right now.

Also: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AklGLUOqCLs1dGNTSTdrUVRQTGl4MndXSEVwSWNwLWc&f=true&noheader=true&gid=1

thank you very much, exactly what i was hoping for. :D


Np, it's really your life line while watching this DH, you can find the link in the OP btw if you lose it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417317

Just use this. R1CH is a wizard.


Yep that's just sick, he is a wizard indeed, but if you want to plan ahead the google doc is your friend.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ghosthunter
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
June 16 2013 16:08 GMT
#1438
Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


This is probably the best example that makes it apparent why raw game wins shouldn't be used instead of differential. It creates perverse incentives.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 16 2013 16:09 GMT
#1439
On June 17 2013 01:08 ghosthunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


This is probably the best example that makes it apparent why raw game wins shouldn't be used instead of differential. It creates perverse incentives.


Exactly.

What is a better score 2/1 or 101/100. It's obvious right?
Red and yellow are all I see
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
June 16 2013 16:10 GMT
#1440
On June 17 2013 01:06 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:03 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Lame. In the world cup, it's goal differential and then goals scored. Someone should fix these idiotic rules.


It is not analagous to goals scored/conceded in football. At all. This stuff comes up all the time in these threads and people do not understand. Number of maps won does not matter whatsoever.

5/4 is clearly worse than 4/3. This is not really arguable.

It's not worse, it's equal. Lucky had one more win but ThorZaIN had one less loss. Even. Hence why they moved onto the next tiebreaker method, head to head.


Absolutely right.

It's not just arguable but wrong.
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