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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
June 16 2013 16:14 GMT
#1461
Glad to see that Swarm hosts are being used a lot.

btw does the mommaship (not the core) still give army invisibility?
The Bomber boy
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
June 16 2013 16:14 GMT
#1462
On June 17 2013 01:13 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:08 ghosthunter wrote:
Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


This is probably the best example that makes it apparent why raw game wins shouldn't be used instead of differential. It creates perverse incentives.


Exactly.

What is a better score 2/1 or 101/100. It's obvious right?

in percentages it's 2:1
always a matter of perspective


Of course its 2-1! Who could possibly argue 101-100 is a better score???


there is no such thing as a better score in this case
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
June 16 2013 16:14 GMT
#1463
sick play by jaedong!
~ The Ultimate Weapon
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
June 16 2013 16:15 GMT
#1464
On June 17 2013 01:14 NHY wrote:
It probably has to with the fact that 5 wins 4 loses = 55.56% winrate, 4 wins 3 loses = 57.14% winrate.

This also happened at 2012 DreamHack Open: Summer, Group Stage #2, Group G. 3 way tie between Seiplo (5-3), Mini (4-3), ToD (5-4). Seiplo and Mini advanced.

If Mini beat ToD this seems correct.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 16 2013 16:15 GMT
#1465
He needed to hit and run. Instead he lost all of his good units.
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_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#1466
On June 17 2013 01:14 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:13 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:08 ghosthunter wrote:
Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


This is probably the best example that makes it apparent why raw game wins shouldn't be used instead of differential. It creates perverse incentives.


Exactly.

What is a better score 2/1 or 101/100. It's obvious right?

in percentages it's 2:1
always a matter of perspective


Of course its 2-1! Who could possibly argue 101-100 is a better score???


there is no such thing as a better score in this case


Yes there is. 2-1. 66.66% winrate vs roughly 50%. Clearly 2-1 is superior. How is there no such thing as a better score?
Red and yellow are all I see
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
June 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#1467
Elfi needs to learn how to deal with SH... 0_0... Hero ! Tell him how!
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 16:18:37
June 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#1468
--- Nuked ---
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
June 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#1469
It's like Disneyland on TeamLiquid ;D
jjakji fan
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
June 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#1470
On June 17 2013 01:16 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:14 TheSir wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:13 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:08 ghosthunter wrote:
Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


This is probably the best example that makes it apparent why raw game wins shouldn't be used instead of differential. It creates perverse incentives.


Exactly.

What is a better score 2/1 or 101/100. It's obvious right?

in percentages it's 2:1
always a matter of perspective


Of course its 2-1! Who could possibly argue 101-100 is a better score???


there is no such thing as a better score in this case


Yes there is. 2-1. 66.66% winrate vs roughly 50%. Clearly 2-1 is superior. How is there no such thing as a better score?

Smaller sample size makes a difference.
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
June 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#1471
OUch, that ling runby
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
June 16 2013 16:17 GMT
#1472
just go back, could someone clarify the Thorzain/Lucky situation?

thx
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 16:18:05
June 16 2013 16:17 GMT
#1473
Liquipedia is really slow down atm...
The Bomber boy
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 16:17:58
June 16 2013 16:17 GMT
#1474
On June 17 2013 01:16 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:16 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:14 TheSir wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:13 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:08 ghosthunter wrote:
Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


This is probably the best example that makes it apparent why raw game wins shouldn't be used instead of differential. It creates perverse incentives.


Exactly.

What is a better score 2/1 or 101/100. It's obvious right?

in percentages it's 2:1
always a matter of perspective


Of course its 2-1! Who could possibly argue 101-100 is a better score???


there is no such thing as a better score in this case


Yes there is. 2-1. 66.66% winrate vs roughly 50%. Clearly 2-1 is superior. How is there no such thing as a better score?

Smaller sample size makes a difference.


I am using an extreme example to make the point. What about 50-0 vs 150-100?
Red and yellow are all I see
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
June 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#1475
I really don't see elfi winning this, even if his army is starting to look really scary.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
June 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#1476
Oh Artosis Pylon there
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
June 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#1477
On June 17 2013 01:16 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 01:16 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:14 TheSir wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:13 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 17 2013 01:08 ghosthunter wrote:
Why someone with, let's say, 4 wins and 0 losses should be behind someone with 5 wins and 4 losses?


This is probably the best example that makes it apparent why raw game wins shouldn't be used instead of differential. It creates perverse incentives.


Exactly.

What is a better score 2/1 or 101/100. It's obvious right?

in percentages it's 2:1
always a matter of perspective


Of course its 2-1! Who could possibly argue 101-100 is a better score???


there is no such thing as a better score in this case


Yes there is. 2-1. 66.66% winrate vs roughly 50%. Clearly 2-1 is superior. How is there no such thing as a better score?

Smaller sample size makes a difference.

Bigger samples are simply more accurate though. That why Bo7 is always better than Bo3. Anyway, Dreamhack system isn't all that bad.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#1478
On June 17 2013 01:17 deus.machinarum wrote:
just go back, could someone clarify the Thorzain/Lucky situation?

thx

Bunch of morons making a scene where the rules are obvious.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#1479
On June 17 2013 01:17 deus.machinarum wrote:
just go back, could someone clarify the Thorzain/Lucky situation?

thx


Thorzain goes through due to head 2 head and also he has a superior map %. By no differential could Lucky go through.
Red and yellow are all I see
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
June 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#1480
EG money
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
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