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On May 23 2013 13:15 FabledIntegral wrote:
Oh wait, is this a rebroadcast? The results already are shown. Didn't TL used to have a little thing that said "rebroadcast" for anything that actually was, in fact, a rebroadcast..?
If an event's not in the calendar section under "ON AIR" but down in the Live Streams, it's probably not a live event.
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On May 23 2013 12:48 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 12:42 sitromit wrote:On May 23 2013 12:40 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 23 2013 12:37 sitromit wrote:
I'm all for region locking if they give Korea more spots for having the bigger pool of better players. Make it so the 16 for season finals is top 4 from NA and EU and top 8 from Korea instead of 5 from each +1 from host.
Or even better, add a 4th region for China/SEA and make it 3 each from NA and EU, 2 from China and SEA and 8 from Korea for each season finals. Bullshit. There is no sport that does that. We don't see only Spanish,German,Argentinian and Brazilian teams in the world cup do we? Champion's league says hello. Also, count the number of spots they give Europe in the World Cup, then count the number of spots other continents get. It's not proportional to the number of nations on each continent in case you need a hint. Champions league certainly doesn't say hello. There is only 3 extra teams from the strongest nation to the midtier European nations in Europe. I don´t need a hint I can tell which person you are already and thank god this is not a football site because if it was. Champions league would only be Korean teams
Uh Italy just lost a Cl spot to Germany just a few years ago. It's definitely based on performance and not a sense of equity.
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On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots
This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that:
Korea: 10 spots
Europe 5.5 spots
NA: 0.5 spots.
I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that?
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On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that?
Provide incentives for them to compete and an enviroment where they can compete and make a name for themselves.
Events like Shoutcraft America do amazing things for the scene and a region locked WCS Am would be a massive boost for the scene.
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On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that?
Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets.
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Man I'm still sad Sen got eliminated. I'm just hoping that the Koreans get spread out. That way there's a higher chance of all Koreans representing NA.
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On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that? Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets.
Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round.
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Why does it say that Revival won vs Suppy 2-0 when Suppy won 2-1?
edit: Oh I see. The rebroadcast isn't done yet.
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How tall is Suppy? Cuz I thought AxelToss was like 6'5?
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On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that? Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets. Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round.
It's not about local or foreign. Actually, lower-skilled foreigners are often favoured over lower-skilled (relatively) koreans. If foreigners won tourneys, they would be sponsored over koreans who win tourneys. Meaning, your post should read:
Why invest in loser players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing the first round.
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On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that? Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets. Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round.
Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them.
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Not even bothering to watch the rest of WCS AM. Sticking to Europe and KR only for now. Might reconsider for moon-glade but otherwise, nah.
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Poor suppy, looks like he just kind of fell apart 
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I wonder when Zerg will finally start connecting their main and natural bases with creep ... or covering their large main bases with it. All it takes is one lousy tumor and some small part of your attention ...
I wonder too when Zerg will realize that spending resources on more than one Spore Crawler per base will be more economical than losing a lot of Drones and then having to replace them again ...
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On May 23 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:Poor suppy, looks like he just kind of fell apart
Yeah, so much pressure. Weight of USA on shoulders :/
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On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:
Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round. Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them.
But currently none of these players is able to compete on a european/korean skill level. This situation is worse than it was after the WoL release when HuK und Idra were able to win international tournaments.
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On May 23 2013 14:31 elijah.snow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:
Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round. Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them. But currently none of these players is able to compete on a european/korean skill level. This situation is worse than it was after the WoL release when HuK und Idra were able to win international tournaments.
Scarlett can compete with Europeans but she's going to be taking a break so that's unfortunate. Demuslim maybe but he's untested for the most part as of late in tournament play. His first round in WCS challenger was a little shaky. I guess we'll see how he looks in Round 2.
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On May 23 2013 12:48 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 12:42 sitromit wrote:On May 23 2013 12:40 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 23 2013 12:37 sitromit wrote:
I'm all for region locking if they give Korea more spots for having the bigger pool of better players. Make it so the 16 for season finals is top 4 from NA and EU and top 8 from Korea instead of 5 from each +1 from host.
Or even better, add a 4th region for China/SEA and make it 3 each from NA and EU, 2 from China and SEA and 8 from Korea for each season finals. Bullshit. There is no sport that does that. We don't see only Spanish,German,Argentinian and Brazilian teams in the world cup do we? Champion's league says hello. Also, count the number of spots they give Europe in the World Cup, then count the number of spots other continents get. It's not proportional to the number of nations on each continent in case you need a hint. Champions league certainly doesn't say hello. There is only 3 extra teams from the strongest nation to the midtier European nations in Europe. I don´t need a hint I can tell which person you are already and thank god this is not a football site because if it was. Champions league would only be Korean teams
The specific numbers weren't meant to be taken into account. What we are trying to show by bringing up the Champions League is that future participation can/should be determined using past performances. Let the dominant regions send more representatives but also allow other regions the opportunity to increase their participation if their reps perform well.
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On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that? Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets. Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round. Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them.
How do you know that those players turn more profit than the popular koreans do?
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Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.
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