EPT[WCS AM] RO16 Group C Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 39
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On May 23 2013 11:58 AgentW wrote: Hope you're all ready for TvT tomorrow! wasn't NA TvT without Hellvacs ? how can that be TvT ? Or did they get better ? | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
 Time to vote with my feet. | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On May 23 2013 11:59 FeyFey wrote: wasn't NA TvT without Hellvacs ? how can that be TvT ? Or did they get better ? Seeing how it's two Koreans and the American Polt in the group tomorrow I think we'll see Korean TvT instead of American TvT... lol | ||
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McBrungus
United States265 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:01 TheButtonmen wrote: Well there goes pretty much all the interest I had in WCS AM Premier league. Time to vote with my feet. I'm pretty much in the same boat, this is a huge disappointment. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:06 McBrungus wrote: I'm pretty much in the same boat, this is a huge disappointment. Hopefully TB and Gen can get the support needed to run Shoutcraft NA Mrk. 2: Electric Boogaloo or Blizz will provide us with an actual WCS Am but until then at least Demu and Catz still stream regularly. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
I really hope Blizzard change the rules next season where you have to have residency in the region you playing in. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:11 Benjamin99 wrote: I cant stress this enough is so wrong in so many ways we only got Koreans, one European and one Australian in the WCS North America premier league ro8. Its a complete joke I really hope Blizzard change the rules next season where you have to have residency in the region you playing in. But then other issues would arise. You would have a much, much weaker player pool playing for comparable prizemoney and representation at WCS Season finals and Global finals. There's not really an easy, equitable solution. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:16 Bagration wrote: But then other issues would arise. You would have a much, much weaker player pool playing for comparable prizemoney and representation at WCS Season finals and Global finals. There's not really an easy, equitable solution. Why do NA players deserve less prize money or representation then EU or Kr? How is region locking not an easy, equitable solution? This may blow your mind but not all of us would rather watch higher level Korean games then local games. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:16 Bagration wrote: But then other issues would arise. You would have a much, much weaker player pool playing for comparable prizemoney and representation at WCS Season finals and Global finals. There's not really an easy, equitable solution. Yes valid point but over time that pool will get stronger and stronger. What would had happen to the Korean BW scene if hypotherical Boxer suddenly had to play a bunch of Chinese professional who was 10 years ahead of them. No Boxer, no Bisu no Flash. No Korean pro gaming scene. And this is exactly what is happening with the NA scene!! I want the NA Boxer to be born and given a chance. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:18 TheButtonmen wrote: Why do NA players deserve less prize money or representation then EU or Kr? How is region locking not an easy, equitable solution? This may blow your mind but not all of us would rather watch higher level Korean games then local games. They deserve less prize money if they are worse players. I don't think more people want to see Americas only play anyways edit: also, if there was a developed chinese scene, then boxer wouldn't have seemed impressive--there'd be other legendary pros | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:24 DamageControL wrote: They deserve less prize money if they are worse players. I don't think more people want to see Americas only play anyways edit: also, if there was a developed chinese scene, then boxer wouldn't have seemed impressive--there'd be other legendary pros The point still stands | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:24 DamageControL wrote: They deserve less prize money if they are worse players. I don't think more people want to see Americas only play anyways Play skill and prize money have no correlation and Shoutcraft Am beating WCS NA, peaking higher then WCS EU even when it was airing in terrible timeslots due to no compete claus with WCS and having zero big name players means you're probably also wrong about that too. | ||
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:01 TheButtonmen wrote: Well there goes pretty much all the interest I had in WCS AM Premier league. Time to vote with my feet. I would totally agree if Moonglade wasn't in it. I would have loved if Suppy would have won the whole thing though. He's such a deserving guy! He would make such an awesome ceremony at the end with all his emotions. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:18 TheButtonmen wrote: Why do NA players deserve less prize money or representation then EU or Kr? How is region locking not an easy, equitable solution? This may blow your mind but not all of us would rather watch higher level Korean games then local games. Well of course everyone has different tastes, I don't presume to think otherwise. But I don't think region locking is as simple as it sounds. Better play deserves higher prize money, that's my belief. It might not be yours, but we're free to disagree. While the level of play in WCS AM might not be as high as WCS KR, it's at least much more competitive without region lock. On May 23 2013 12:27 TheButtonmen wrote: Play skill and prize money have no correlation and Shoutcraft Am beating WCS NA, peaking higher then WCS EU even when it was airing in terrible timeslots due to no compete claus with WCS and having zero big name players means you're probably also wrong about that too. Play skill and prize money does have and should have a correlation. When you are better at something, you should get compensated accordingly | ||
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thanhbao86
Canada199 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:18 TheButtonmen wrote: Why do NA players deserve less prize money or representation then EU or Kr? How is region locking not an easy, equitable solution? This may blow your mind but not all of us would rather watch higher level Korean games then local games. How many of you are there then ? Should people that like to watch high level Korean games cater to your need ? The guy said it not an easy solution and that is true. Region lock is unfair to people that want to watch high level Korean games at good NA time. How is your need more important than those people ? | ||
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purakushi
United States3304 Posts
Gratz to them, but I wish Suppy won Nothing to do with him being NA, though. He's just an awesome guy and great player. Of course, Scarlett, too. >_< | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:27 TheButtonmen wrote: Play skill and prize money have no correlation and Shoutcraft Am beating WCS NA, peaking higher then WCS EU even when it was airing in terrible timeslots due to no compete claus with WCS and having zero big name players means you're probably also wrong about that too. That´s a really good point Shoutcraft had more viewers and it was aired at a horrible time where it had to compete with the WCS EU broadcast and bad time for the US audience. And it still had more then these 18k who is watching WCS NA. so there is certainly a market there. Problem is the starcraft scene will slowly lose more and more American starcraft fans until there is nothing left. You can alrdy see it 2 years ago the NA fan base was much much larger then the European but its a complete reversal now. I wonder why! On May 23 2013 12:30 thanhbao86 wrote: How many of you are there then ? Should people that like to watch high level Korean games cater to your need ? The guy said it not an easy solution and that is true. Region lock is unfair to people that want to watch high level Korean games at good NA time. How is your need more important than those people ? Well that´s impossible if you want to watch high Korean starcraft you should watch pro league or GSL. Seriously if this trend continues its the BW scene all over again. I know some TL users would be happy for that to happen because they consider starcraft 2 a Korean game. But everyone who wants to see starcraft 2 as a global sport certainly don't want this to happen. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:30 thanhbao86 wrote: How many of you are there then ? Should people that like to watch high level Korean games cater to your need ? The guy said it not an easy solution and that is true. Region lock is unfair to people that want to watch high level Korean games at good NA time. How is your need more important than those people ? They can go watch the GSL, WCS Kr, weekly cups, Proleague, GSTL and the list goes on. There is a massive amount of content out there for people who want to see top level koreans play, there's a massive dearth of content for those who want to see the local scene develop. | ||
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