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Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 06:12:03
May 23 2013 06:08 GMT
#821
I think the problem that the NA scene have is "the EG factor". Who are the most known/famous "native" american players? I think its most likely Idra, Incontrole, Huk and QXC (correct me if i´m wrong). Besides Huk these guys never had the best results but are interesting/funny/"bad boys". The thing with the NA scene is that the most successful players in the NA scene are not the ones that have the best play, the most successful are these players who are able to market themselves.

Best example is Incontrole. Dont get me wrong he is an awesome guy, a great commentator and does a lot of things that are good for eSports but imagine you are a High Grandmaster NA player that beats the shit out of him every game and you make 10 times less money than he is.

It feels like that the most important thing for NA players is not to "win" or "be good", it is to be good at marketing.

And on a side note why are so many people here counting DeMuslim as a NA pro, he is from england isn´t he? If you say he is on a NA team or lives in America you could count Teaja Violet and Polt as "NA" pros too.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 23 2013 06:13 GMT
#822
the only non koreans in wcs am are an european and an australien ^^ that says alot
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 23 2013 06:15 GMT
#823
On May 23 2013 13:21 slowbacontron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 13:15 FabledIntegral wrote:
Oh wait, is this a rebroadcast? The results already are shown. Didn't TL used to have a little thing that said "rebroadcast" for anything that actually was, in fact, a rebroadcast..?

If an event's not in the calendar section under "ON AIR" but down in the Live Streams, it's probably not a live event.


Oh I didn't ever realize that... thanks.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
May 23 2013 06:20 GMT
#824
On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:

Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots


This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that:

Korea: 10 spots
Europe 5.5 spots
NA: 0.5 spots.

I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that?

Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets.


Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round.


Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them.


If what you are saying is the case, then why not have all Foreigners on the major foreign teams. Who needs Korean mercenaries when you get more profit from having foreign players.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
May 23 2013 06:23 GMT
#825
On May 23 2013 15:08 USvBleakill wrote:

And on a side note why are so many people here counting DeMuslim as a NA pro, he is from england isn´t he? If you say he is on a NA team or lives in America you could count Teaja Violet and Polt as "NA" pros too.


better example might be calling forgg an european.
but tbh, if there is forgg vs a korean i root for forgg like for any other european player.
if its european vs forgg is see that different.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 23 2013 06:25 GMT
#826
On May 23 2013 15:20 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:

Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots


This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that:

Korea: 10 spots
Europe 5.5 spots
NA: 0.5 spots.

I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that?

Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets.


Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round.


Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them.


If what you are saying is the case, then why not have all Foreigners on the major foreign teams. Who needs Korean mercenaries when you get more profit from having foreign players.


Because a healthy mix is crucial.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 23 2013 06:26 GMT
#827
On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.

Not laggy they are here live !
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 23 2013 06:36 GMT
#828
On May 23 2013 15:26 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.

Not laggy they are here live !

yo it's Suppy

hi Suppy

Good job in the group, getting past two Koreans is a difficult task to ask of anyone

It'll be exciting to see these Koreans bring their full power! (Despite what stfouri may think)

Suppy go back to Code S where you belong ASAP!
jjakji fan
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
May 23 2013 06:47 GMT
#829
Revival is pretty lucky that Scarlett isn't in top form today!
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#830
On May 23 2013 15:36 slowbacontron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 15:26 Superiorwolf wrote:
On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.

Not laggy they are here live !

yo it's Suppy

hi Suppy

Good job in the group, getting past two Koreans is a difficult task to ask of anyone

It'll be exciting to see these Koreans bring their full power! (Despite what stfouri may think)

Suppy go back to Code S where you belong ASAP!


Back to? Was Suppy in Code S at one point? I haven't followed the scene too in the depth admittedly...
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 23 2013 07:03 GMT
#831
On May 23 2013 16:01 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 15:36 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 23 2013 15:26 Superiorwolf wrote:
On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.

Not laggy they are here live !

yo it's Suppy

hi Suppy

Good job in the group, getting past two Koreans is a difficult task to ask of anyone

It'll be exciting to see these Koreans bring their full power! (Despite what stfouri may think)

Suppy go back to Code S where you belong ASAP!


Back to? Was Suppy in Code S at one point? I haven't followed the scene too in the depth admittedly...


WCS premier league = Code S
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 23 2013 07:06 GMT
#832
I'm being brainwashed by the WCS terminology Blizzard has imposed upon us :O
jjakji fan
Dauntless
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway548 Posts
May 23 2013 07:08 GMT
#833
Only WCS KR Premier League is Code S.
Dauntless.156 EU || Liquid´HerO | Grubby.Grubby
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 07:19:32
May 23 2013 07:11 GMT
#834
All right then, that would make sense.

Get back into Code P ASAP, SupP!
jjakji fan
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
May 23 2013 07:18 GMT
#835
On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.

Snute #1 Korean!
HOLY CHECK!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 23 2013 07:23 GMT
#836
Man, reading through the thread it seems like HerO went full HerO
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
May 23 2013 07:30 GMT
#837
On May 23 2013 15:20 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:

Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots


This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that:

Korea: 10 spots
Europe 5.5 spots
NA: 0.5 spots.

I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that?

Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets.


Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round.


Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them.


If what you are saying is the case, then why not have all Foreigners on the major foreign teams. Who needs Korean mercenaries when you get more profit from having foreign players.

Gogo local players, who needs results and skill anyway. lol.

Imo the market for personalities is saturated. They are good for showmatches or charity but you cant even invite them to a semi-serious tournament, cause some no-name-better player will humiliate them.
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 07:36:29
May 23 2013 07:35 GMT
#838
On May 23 2013 16:08 Dauntless wrote:
Only WCS KR Premier League is Code S.

Everybody who uses the term in an other way should be banned for 2 weeks and have his post count reset to -150.
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Edit: sry for double post
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
May 23 2013 07:36 GMT
#839
remember kids, always bet on Koreans. unless Moonglade is playing.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 23 2013 08:06 GMT
#840
On May 23 2013 16:08 Dauntless wrote:
Only WCS KR Premier League is Code S.


Blizzard wanted a system in all 3 region that was exactly the same. So excuse me ill go with what the tournament organisers call it.

WCS Korea Premier League = Code S
WSC NA Premier League = Code S
WSC EU Premier League = Code S

Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
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