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I think the problem that the NA scene have is "the EG factor". Who are the most known/famous "native" american players? I think its most likely Idra, Incontrole, Huk and QXC (correct me if i´m wrong). Besides Huk these guys never had the best results but are interesting/funny/"bad boys". The thing with the NA scene is that the most successful players in the NA scene are not the ones that have the best play, the most successful are these players who are able to market themselves.
Best example is Incontrole. Dont get me wrong he is an awesome guy, a great commentator and does a lot of things that are good for eSports but imagine you are a High Grandmaster NA player that beats the shit out of him every game and you make 10 times less money than he is.
It feels like that the most important thing for NA players is not to "win" or "be good", it is to be good at marketing.
And on a side note why are so many people here counting DeMuslim as a NA pro, he is from england isn´t he? If you say he is on a NA team or lives in America you could count Teaja Violet and Polt as "NA" pros too.
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the only non koreans in wcs am are an european and an australien ^^ that says alot
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On May 23 2013 13:21 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 13:15 FabledIntegral wrote:
Oh wait, is this a rebroadcast? The results already are shown. Didn't TL used to have a little thing that said "rebroadcast" for anything that actually was, in fact, a rebroadcast..? If an event's not in the calendar section under "ON AIR" but down in the Live Streams, it's probably not a live event.
Oh I didn't ever realize that... thanks.
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On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that? Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets. Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round. Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them.
If what you are saying is the case, then why not have all Foreigners on the major foreign teams. Who needs Korean mercenaries when you get more profit from having foreign players.
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On May 23 2013 15:08 USvBleakill wrote:
And on a side note why are so many people here counting DeMuslim as a NA pro, he is from england isn´t he? If you say he is on a NA team or lives in America you could count Teaja Violet and Polt as "NA" pros too.
better example might be calling forgg an european.
but tbh, if there is forgg vs a korean i root for forgg like for any other european player.
if its european vs forgg is see that different.
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On May 23 2013 15:20 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that? Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets. Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round. Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them. If what you are saying is the case, then why not have all Foreigners on the major foreign teams. Who needs Korean mercenaries when you get more profit from having foreign players.
Because a healthy mix is crucial.
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On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.
Not laggy they are here live !
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On May 23 2013 15:26 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D. Not laggy they are here live !
yo it's Suppy
hi Suppy
Good job in the group, getting past two Koreans is a difficult task to ask of anyone
It'll be exciting to see these Koreans bring their full power! (Despite what stfouri may think)
Suppy go back to Code S where you belong ASAP!
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Revival is pretty lucky that Scarlett isn't in top form today!
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On May 23 2013 15:36 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 15:26 Superiorwolf wrote:On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D. Not laggy they are here live ! yo it's Suppy hi Suppy Good job in the group, getting past two Koreans is a difficult task to ask of anyone It'll be exciting to see these Koreans bring their full power! (Despite what stfouri may think) Suppy go back to Code S where you belong ASAP!
Back to? Was Suppy in Code S at one point? I haven't followed the scene too in the depth admittedly...
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On May 23 2013 16:01 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 15:36 slowbacontron wrote:On May 23 2013 15:26 Superiorwolf wrote:On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D. Not laggy they are here live ! yo it's Suppy hi Suppy Good job in the group, getting past two Koreans is a difficult task to ask of anyone It'll be exciting to see these Koreans bring their full power! (Despite what stfouri may think) Suppy go back to Code S where you belong ASAP! Back to? Was Suppy in Code S at one point? I haven't followed the scene too in the depth admittedly...
WCS premier league = Code S
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I'm being brainwashed by the WCS terminology Blizzard has imposed upon us :O
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Only WCS KR Premier League is Code S.
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All right then, that would make sense.
Get back into Code P ASAP, SupP!
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On May 23 2013 15:08 stfouri wrote:
Im so gonna watch moonglades games from now on.
Rest of the tournament? Could not care less. Mediocore Koreans duking it out on a laggy server :D.
Snute #1 Korean!
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Man, reading through the thread it seems like HerO went full HerO
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On May 23 2013 15:20 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 23 2013 13:50 BackSideAttack wrote:On May 23 2013 13:48 kheldorin wrote:On May 23 2013 13:28 elijah.snow wrote:On May 23 2013 12:53 sitromit wrote:
Here are some hard numbers from FIFA World Cup, since people bring it up often:
Africa: 54 countries, 5 spots
Asia: 49 countries, 4.5 spots
Europe: 50 countries, 13 spots
South America: 12 countries, 4.5 spots This would translate in WCS Season Final spots like that: Korea: 10 spots Europe 5.5 spots NA: 0.5 spots. I think both sides have valid points. The WCS idea is to have three continental events of equal strength but WCS America will be soon a second Code S and there are a lot of esports fans out there that still want to watch their local heros. This is a problem but it is not necessarily the best solution to change to tournament structure. The best solution would be to increase the skill level of the american players but how to achieve that? Won't happen because Korean teams have Korean sponsors. Kespa players definitely won't leave. You have to ensure that the NA teams stop investing in Korean players and instead invest in local players. If they have Korean players, make sure that he local players actually get to train with them. Best scenario is that NA teams move all their Korean players to NA and have them improve the quality of practice that the NA scene gets. Why invest in local players when they don't turn as much profit. You don't get a whole lot of brand exposure if your players keep losing in the first round. Suppy, Demu, Catz, iNcontrol, Scarlett, QXC and countless others say hello. Local players turn more profit then Korean players if you take the time to develop and promote them. If what you are saying is the case, then why not have all Foreigners on the major foreign teams. Who needs Korean mercenaries when you get more profit from having foreign players.
Gogo local players, who needs results and skill anyway. lol.
Imo the market for personalities is saturated. They are good for showmatches or charity but you cant even invite them to a semi-serious tournament, cause some no-name-better player will humiliate them.
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On May 23 2013 16:08 Dauntless wrote:
Only WCS KR Premier League is Code S.
Everybody who uses the term in an other way should be banned for 2 weeks and have his post count reset to -150.
+ Show Spoiler +Edit: sry for double post
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remember kids, always bet on Koreans. unless Moonglade is playing.
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On May 23 2013 16:08 Dauntless wrote:
Only WCS KR Premier League is Code S.
Blizzard wanted a system in all 3 region that was exactly the same. So excuse me ill go with what the tournament organisers call it.
WCS Korea Premier League = Code S
WSC NA Premier League = Code S
WSC EU Premier League = Code S
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