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On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timied) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.
lol what are you talking about? buildings tons of banelings early on to just throw them away is no mistake in your eyes? without this early investment, hydra's economy and tech could have been much better when the deadly triple drop occurred.
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Innovation right now is playing so well.
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On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timied) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.
you have to realize terran units are more expendable than zerg units. Hydra had the worst baneling control, and on top of that his roach bane timing did 0 dmg. Having those 2 things happen vs innovation, with godlike macro.. it doesn't matter how many medivacs you kill because marines and mines come out faster than lings at a certain point. It is just a steady never ending stream.. So yea hydra deserved to lose, too many mistakes.
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United States1206 Posts
Korean Terran INnoVation is going for an AK 
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Hydra lost too many units to mines.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.
The only terran players that we've seen that are able to really multitask and dare I say outmacro a zerg are innovation or flash so saying terran is generalizing a bit.
On May 19 2013 12:54 Black Gun wrote:well, i think the timing of the triple drop at the end was extremely unlucky for hydra. btw why is cj continuing to feed zergs to innovation? 
he's a hungry fellow
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On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.
lol are you serious?
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GOGO Innovation all kill!
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On May 19 2013 12:54 kubiks wrote:
Well, now Innovation is 15-1 in TvZ in Hots...
just points out how good soulkey actually is.
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On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.
at the same time when a zerg is that god awful ar microing baneligns vs widow mines it doesnt matter how much you kill in medivacs. The groups of blings dieing to widow mine shots were much more expensive than the medivac pick offs. He also tried to get all of his tech at once and spend all his gas while he had no banelings and no static defense
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On May 19 2013 12:54 Empirimancer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 sparklyresidue wrote:
vs. Innovation, the burden is on the Zerg to hurt his enon. It seems if you just deny drops and defend okay, you can't keep up economically with him. I haven't seen a Zerg manage to be aggressive against Innovation or Flash in a macro game. They're too busy defending against everything the Terran throws at them.
Soulkey 
That's the only loss of Innovtion in TvZ in Hots -_-.
And if you didn't saw it, the third game of Stephano vs thorzain in WCS, Stephano was in a bad spot, decied to be agressive and won outright.
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United States1206 Posts
So the score is 2-0. Poor CJ
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Innovation's macro is just so beastly.
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On May 19 2013 12:56 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timied) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over. lol what are you talking about? buildings tons of banelings early on to just throw them away is no mistake in your eyes? without this early investment, hydra's economy and tech could have been much better when the deadly triple drop occurred.
Innovation lost 2 medivacs right after that attack so it didnt really matter that much. It was a very late bust too so economy wise they were fine. You also have to consider the fake bane roach all in that made hydra economy be better than usual at the begining of the game
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United States1206 Posts
INnoVation macros so well.
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On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.
or maybe innovation is just better at the game than hydra and macroed him into the ground with brute force, which he does every game. I don't understand why people forget about skill differences when analyzing a game. Innovation could make mistakes and still win because he is a better player than hydra, not because the game is at fault.
EDIT: 1000 posts! Been spamming the tourney threads recently and that milestone just snuck up on me lol.
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Innovation reminds me of late 2011, early 2012 MMA v Z with the multi-pronged harassed backed by strong macro, but he's even more dangerous and powerful IMO because he uses widow mines and medivac boosts so well. Such a pleasure to watch him play
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On May 19 2013 12:58 petered wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over. or maybe innovation is just better at the game than hydra and macroed him into the ground with brute force, which he does every game. I don't understand why people forget about skill differences when analyzing a game. Innovation could make mistakes and still win because he is a better player than hydra, not because the game is at fault.
two 1ks on the same page! squee
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On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared. Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.
Hydra kept losing WWAAAYYY to much vs the mines, the only reason he stayed alive so long was the number of failed drops
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effOrt is good but he's no SoulKey.
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