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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
May 19 2013 03:59 GMT
#161
Pretty much every time he detected a mine he blew a baneling on it. Hardly efficient.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Dudasc
Profile Joined October 2012
Brazil286 Posts
May 19 2013 04:00 GMT
#162
On May 19 2013 12:57 Highwinds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared.


Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.


at the same time when a zerg is that god awful ar microing baneligns vs widow mines it doesnt matter how much you kill in medivacs. The groups of blings dieing to widow mine shots were much more expensive than the medivac pick offs. He also tried to get all of his tech at once and spend all his gas while he had no banelings and no static defense


do you really think you can micro/engage bane/ling cost efficient vs mines? Theres no micro that makes it bane vs mine worth unless the terran fucks up on positioning them, the radius (5) and damage (1 shot kill) is just too much. And its quite obivous why zergs dont have static defense on most games, you just cant afford. Do you even play this game at all?
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
May 19 2013 04:01 GMT
#163
On May 19 2013 12:58 Bagration wrote:
Innovation reminds me of late 2011, early 2012 MMA v Z with the multi-pronged harassed backed by strong macro, but he's even more dangerous and powerful IMO because he uses widow mines and medivac boosts so well. Such a pleasure to watch him play



yep, their play is very similiar. They both send dropships knowing that they will probably die, through overlord vision. But they make up for it with improving their position on the map while the dropship is in the air, and taking the lead economically. It is a really bold play
Question.?
[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 19 2013 04:02 GMT
#164
effOrt should CHEESE just like HerO did to Flash yesterday.
EG-TL may lose, but Flash's AK shall be terminated ;P
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[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 19 2013 04:02 GMT
#165
Flash and INnoVation are top Terrans today
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sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
May 19 2013 04:02 GMT
#166
On May 19 2013 13:00 Dudasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 12:57 Highwinds wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared.


Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.


at the same time when a zerg is that god awful ar microing baneligns vs widow mines it doesnt matter how much you kill in medivacs. The groups of blings dieing to widow mine shots were much more expensive than the medivac pick offs. He also tried to get all of his tech at once and spend all his gas while he had no banelings and no static defense


do you really think you can micro/engage bane/ling cost efficient vs mines? Theres no micro that makes it bane vs mine worth unless the terran fucks up on positioning them, the radius (5) and damage (1 shot kill) is just too much. And its quite obivous why zergs dont have static defense on most games, you just cant afford. Do you even play this game at all?

more tears plz
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 19 2013 04:03 GMT
#167
On May 19 2013 13:00 Dudasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 12:57 Highwinds wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared.


Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.


at the same time when a zerg is that god awful ar microing baneligns vs widow mines it doesnt matter how much you kill in medivacs. The groups of blings dieing to widow mine shots were much more expensive than the medivac pick offs. He also tried to get all of his tech at once and spend all his gas while he had no banelings and no static defense


do you really think you can micro/engage bane/ling cost efficient vs mines? Theres no micro that makes it bane vs mine worth unless the terran fucks up on positioning them, the radius (5) and damage (1 shot kill) is just too much. And its quite obivous why zergs dont have static defense on most games, you just cant afford. Do you even play this game at all?


The problem isn't mines, the problem is Innovation's usage of mines. His positioning and control are just so solid
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
May 19 2013 04:03 GMT
#168
On May 19 2013 12:58 petered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared.


Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.



or maybe innovation is just better at the game than hydra and macroed him into the ground with brute force, which he does every game. I don't understand why people forget about skill differences when analyzing a game. Innovation could make mistakes and still win because he is a better player than hydra, not because the game is at fault.

EDIT: 1000 posts! Been spamming the tourney threads recently and that milestone just snuck up on me lol.


My only problem with this explaination is that Innovation crushes top zergs too, while not looking as godly in other matchups...
Or maybe he's worse in TvT jsut because the matchup is volatile
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
May 19 2013 04:03 GMT
#169
I think also hydra repeatedly made a lot more mutas than needed. If you are going to only deny drops..why do you need that giant clump? that made those dropships not seem like such a loss because he spent so much to stop those drops
Dudasc
Profile Joined October 2012
Brazil286 Posts
May 19 2013 04:04 GMT
#170
On May 19 2013 13:03 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:00 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:57 Highwinds wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared.


Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.


at the same time when a zerg is that god awful ar microing baneligns vs widow mines it doesnt matter how much you kill in medivacs. The groups of blings dieing to widow mine shots were much more expensive than the medivac pick offs. He also tried to get all of his tech at once and spend all his gas while he had no banelings and no static defense


do you really think you can micro/engage bane/ling cost efficient vs mines? Theres no micro that makes it bane vs mine worth unless the terran fucks up on positioning them, the radius (5) and damage (1 shot kill) is just too much. And its quite obivous why zergs dont have static defense on most games, you just cant afford. Do you even play this game at all?


The problem isn't mines, the problem is Innovation's usage of mines. His positioning and control are just so solid


Mines don't need control (You can unburrow but innovation didnt really bother microing it). All drops were not controlled (didnt even need actually)
[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 19 2013 04:04 GMT
#171
So many zergs from CJ today, maybe it's a real practise for INnoVation cuz his next rival is Symbol in GSL.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19387 Posts
May 19 2013 04:05 GMT
#172
ok guys I'm here, drunk, but I'm here and somehow manage to make a cj vs stx banner at the same time.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 19 2013 04:05 GMT
#173
Invincible tvz skill INnoVation! <3
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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
May 19 2013 04:06 GMT
#174
On May 19 2013 13:00 Dudasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 12:57 Highwinds wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared.


Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.


at the same time when a zerg is that god awful ar microing baneligns vs widow mines it doesnt matter how much you kill in medivacs. The groups of blings dieing to widow mine shots were much more expensive than the medivac pick offs. He also tried to get all of his tech at once and spend all his gas while he had no banelings and no static defense


do you really think you can micro/engage bane/ling cost efficient vs mines? Theres no micro that makes it bane vs mine worth unless the terran fucks up on positioning them, the radius (5) and damage (1 shot kill) is just too much. And its quite obivous why zergs dont have static defense on most games, you just cant afford. Do you even play this game at all?


Just stop. You're probably not even up to masters league. Quit complaining and using the best player in the world as an example.
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
May 19 2013 04:06 GMT
#175
On May 19 2013 13:04 Dudasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:00 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:57 Highwinds wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:54 Dudasc wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:52 Taipoka wrote:
Jesus. Wtf was that? hydra just disapeared.


Terran can get way with a lot of mistakes than protoss/zerg. Innovation lost 5-6 completely full medivacs (terribly timed) but they were both ended up even. Hydra makes the first mistake of the game and its over.


at the same time when a zerg is that god awful ar microing baneligns vs widow mines it doesnt matter how much you kill in medivacs. The groups of blings dieing to widow mine shots were much more expensive than the medivac pick offs. He also tried to get all of his tech at once and spend all his gas while he had no banelings and no static defense


do you really think you can micro/engage bane/ling cost efficient vs mines? Theres no micro that makes it bane vs mine worth unless the terran fucks up on positioning them, the radius (5) and damage (1 shot kill) is just too much. And its quite obivous why zergs dont have static defense on most games, you just cant afford. Do you even play this game at all?


The problem isn't mines, the problem is Innovation's usage of mines. His positioning and control are just so solid


Mines don't need control (You can unburrow but innovation didnt really bother microing it). All drops were not controlled (didnt even need actually)


Yeah we got it. Innovation is a terribad player and hes winning only because terrans, mines, medivacs and hellbats are OP. Ok now move on pls.
[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 19 2013 04:06 GMT
#176
On May 19 2013 13:05 BisuDagger wrote:
ok guys I'm here, drunk, but I'm here and somehow manage to make a cj vs stx banner at the same time.


GJ
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
May 19 2013 04:07 GMT
#177
Innovation too good wahah
The heart's eternal vow
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
May 19 2013 04:07 GMT
#178
On May 19 2013 13:04 [OGN]Remmy wrote:
So many zergs from CJ today, maybe it's a real practise for INnoVation cuz his next rival is Symbol in GSL.


Not sure going against your "regular macro zerg" is a good way to practice against symbol. Dem Nydus .
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19387 Posts
May 19 2013 04:08 GMT
#179
I traded for effort anticipating his allkill.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 19 2013 04:09 GMT
#180
On May 19 2013 13:05 BisuDagger wrote:
ok guys I'm here, drunk, but I'm here and somehow manage to make a cj vs stx banner at the same time.

sounds like you shouldn't have gotten drunk so you can enjoy PL
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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