Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
Depends on what the admin's history with MLG, as well as his prior performance. But MLG has already taken a lot of heat for poor admins, and changing some of the people causing all these problems is a good start.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
You made the best call in a pretty tricky situation. Shame there was a mistake in the first place to cause it all. I still think killing the admin was a little harsh though.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
Depends on what the admin's history with MLG, as well as his prior performance. But MLG has already taken a lot of heat for poor admins, and changing some of the people causing all these problems is a good start.
Some guy made a mistake and lost his job. Not funny.
"Terminated" could be interpreted in a .... sinister way, let's put it like that
That said it's good to see they're at least doing something about this whole mess. Rather than just spouting the usual "we'll do better next time etc" bullshit.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
Not doing your job properly makes you lose it, nothing wrong with the community reaction.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
Not doing your job properly makes you lose it, not community overreaction.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
Not doing your job properly makes you lose it, nothing wrong with the community reaction.
the thing thats so odd about this situation is that its not even that simple. in case of making a mistake i would be against firing someone for a first time problem. but the time and date notifications were emailed, which means he went out of his way to misinform a player of the situation... ;/
On May 05 2013 10:24 Yorke wrote: You made the best call in a pretty tricky situation. Shame there was a mistake in the first place to cause it all. I still think killing the admin was a little harsh though.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
yeah or possibly they fired him for not doing his job properly
as if TL or Reddits reaction got an unnamed admin fired lol
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
yeah or possibly they fired him for not doing his job properly
as if TL or Reddits reaction got an unnamed admin fired lol
That's 2 people now. I didn't mean to imply that MLG fired somebody because of TL, if that's what people interpret from my post. What I meant was that it's interesting how people bitch and demand people lose their jobs when shit happens, but when somebody actually loses their job, it' suddently "whoa, that was a bit too far". I don't support firing people, just to note.
If your being paid to be an admin and you mess up (maybe not for the first time) I don't see a problem getting rid of them. I'm sure there are a lot of people that would love to work in esports and can remember to double check all info given to players.
This guy was definitely fired for multiple mistakes, it probably wasn't the first time he fucked up bad. I think this confirms that it was the same guy who fucked up with the WCS NA Chinese situation..
There are a lot of people who would love to have an opening to get into e-sports right now, I think it's pretty justified to hold even low-end staff to high standards.
Considering MLG's problems with this area in the past as well, there should have been plenty of warning to not fuck up again.
One would have to assume that this isn't the first time the admin made a mistake like this. If it was the first time, a severe slap on the wrists and less responsibilities for a certain period of time would've suited.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
It seems reasonable considering the number of issues that MLG has had recently. I am sure the admins were warned to double check their information before providing it to players, because it is common sense. If it happens one time, its a mistake and MLG can just pass it off as human error. But with the rash of issues, the admin staff should have crossed their T's and dotted their I's.
And Miya came so close to qualifying. Really sad to see him pay for having shown good sportsmanship. It sucks the guy lost his job over this but this was a huge screw up to make in this context.
Thank you MLG for such a quick announcement. Seems drastic to terminate him if this is the only reason, but i don't know the details so cannot conclude to much.
Aside from the whole employee termination thing, I noticed nobody pointed out what Miya did was a pretty class act. He gave up a pretty big advantage (the ability to qualify through the winner's bracket) due to someone else's mistake. He could've forced a series against moosegills who was quite beatable, and then all he would've had to defeat to qualify was Demuslim. Even if he had lost to Demuslim, he would've avoided having to face Top in the loser's bracket.
i like how people call for MLG and sundance's head when they mess up, but show remorse when the person responsible for the mistake and subsequent witchhunt/outcry/bitchfest gets terminated. you can't have it both ways!
I don't blame MLG at all. If that admin had done his job properly no conflict would have arisen. But he didn't. In fact, he gave blatantly wrong information that he should have known. Because of him a manager was forced to argue against her player for the good of the tournament, two players were at one point forfeited out, and a qualifier that was otherwise a rather good day of SC2 was marred because this one guy couldn't get his times right.
Sucks for the admin, but you don't fuck up like that and expect to keep your job. That kind of immunity is reserved for whoever the fuck decided to have 512 man, first-come first-serve qualifiers; not some faceless admin.
On May 05 2013 11:05 sertman wrote: i like how people call for MLG and sundance's head when they mess up, but show remorse when the person responsible for the mistake and subsequent witchhunt/outcry/bitchfest gets terminated. you can't have it both ways!
It really is amazing.
If they hadn't included that line in this thread I can only imagine the reaction. MLG can't do anything right these days. Glad they got rid of someone who was not doing their job correctly.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG made the statement much more quickly than the last time, which I really appreciate. And for the poor homie got terminated, it's your fault and you deserved that. But how does MLG choose one to be a qualified admin? MLG made lots of mess due to admins' faults. That's just hilarious.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
yeah or possibly they fired him for not doing his job properly
as if TL or Reddits reaction got an unnamed admin fired lol
That's 2 people now. I didn't mean to imply that MLG fired somebody because of TL, if that's what people interpret from my post. What I meant was that it's interesting how people bitch and demand people lose their jobs when shit happens, but when somebody actually loses their job, it' suddently "whoa, that was a bit too far". I don't support firing people, just to note.
thats pretty much the situation. during the whole admin-error-confusion people demanded that the person gets fired. when it actually happens, it is to harsh. whether or not the admin gets fired isnt actually anybodys business. for me a consequence like this seems as only done to soothen the angry mob. the community that often wants to be involved into company workflows way to much and way to fast. appologies arent enough, actions must be taken, but not in a reasonable timeframe, no: instantaneously. and when that actually happens, it is obviously wrong. i wish people would deliberate their opinions and argumentations before communicating them as most stuff i read in forums and social media is just so black and white that it isnt even fun anymore.
Unless the admin had some malicious intent I don't see why they fired him unless of course he was just an average admin and this was just another fuck up. It would be interesting to know why he thought the time he gave Miya was the correct one or where he got the incorrect time. And why are admins going around telling players the time of matches? Shouldn't they just point them to a specific webpage where all that information would be available? Shitty situation all around.
Actually the term "terminated" is kind of vague in my mind. It may just be that the admin lost the position as admin, and got to work as something else. "Fired" to me would have been more clear. But whatever, I'm sure they won't clarify their clarification.
So the only thing the admin did was screw up the time he gave Miya right? All the other terrible decisions were from other MLG employees during all of this?
I still think MLG made the correct call on this, even as a Demu fan. Since it was MLGs mistake I don't feel Miya should be punished for that. I also don't really agree that it is unfair to the other 3 players, atleast not in the way other people have described it. It is only really unfair in the fact it wasted a lot of their time, which while sad isn't really *that* big of a deal imo.
An example would be say lottery. Say you have a row with like 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 1,2,3,4,5 have already been drawn. Then the person drawing draws a 9 but accidentally says 6, should you win? I'd say no(unless a long time passes between the wrong call and correction). I also don't really feel you were robbed of your win, it was just corrected and while the outcome was not in your favour, you never actually won it.
There are plenty of things to complain about when it comes to MLG, but I atleast am not going to just complain about everything they do, even when I complained about the exact opposite the day before.
Edit: Forgot to add though, I find it pretty stupid to stop Moose and Demu midgame. Rather let them finish the current game they are in(not the series) and then make a call. They apparently paused for like 10 minutes in G2, which kind of ruined the integrity of that game seeing as their series was in the end used.
On May 05 2013 12:49 Bogeyman wrote: Actually the term "terminated" is kind of vague in my mind. It may just be that the admin lost the position as admin, and got to work as something else. "Fired" to me would have been more clear. But whatever, I'm sure they won't clarify their clarification.
Terminated is the correct professional term for fired. There really should not be any confusion about this.
On May 05 2013 12:49 Bogeyman wrote: Actually the term "terminated" is kind of vague in my mind. It may just be that the admin lost the position as admin, and got to work as something else. "Fired" to me would have been more clear. But whatever, I'm sure they won't clarify their clarification.
Terminated is the correct professional term for fired. There really should not be any confusion about this.
If it's 100% professional, they should say terminated his contract or his service with MLG, not terminate the person.
On May 05 2013 12:49 Bogeyman wrote: Actually the term "terminated" is kind of vague in my mind. It may just be that the admin lost the position as admin, and got to work as something else. "Fired" to me would have been more clear. But whatever, I'm sure they won't clarify their clarification.
Terminated is the correct professional term for fired. There really should not be any confusion about this.
No... the professional term for fired... is FIRED, or let go, just the fact that you have to word it differently in order to explain it proves how damn confusing it is
On May 05 2013 12:49 Bogeyman wrote: Actually the term "terminated" is kind of vague in my mind. It may just be that the admin lost the position as admin, and got to work as something else. "Fired" to me would have been more clear. But whatever, I'm sure they won't clarify their clarification.
Terminated is the correct professional term for fired. There really should not be any confusion about this.
No... the professional term for fired... is FIRED, or let go, just the fact that you have to word it differently in order to explain it proves how damn confusing it is
Well a contract gets terminated, a person gets fired. So its just poor wording, either it should say the admin got fired or his contract got terminated.
On May 05 2013 12:49 Bogeyman wrote: Actually the term "terminated" is kind of vague in my mind. It may just be that the admin lost the position as admin, and got to work as something else. "Fired" to me would have been more clear. But whatever, I'm sure they won't clarify their clarification.
Terminated is the correct professional term for fired. There really should not be any confusion about this.
No... the professional term for fired... is FIRED, or let go, just the fact that you have to word it differently in order to explain it proves how damn confusing it is
Well a contract gets terminated, a person gets fired. So its just poor wording, either it should say the admin got fired or his contract got terminated.
So what you are saying is that, his contract got suspended and the amin got terminated?
On May 05 2013 12:49 Bogeyman wrote: Actually the term "terminated" is kind of vague in my mind. It may just be that the admin lost the position as admin, and got to work as something else. "Fired" to me would have been more clear. But whatever, I'm sure they won't clarify their clarification.
Terminated is the correct professional term for fired. There really should not be any confusion about this.
No, this TL, were people are confused by professional things and don't get that a business does not say "We fired someone" in a press release. There was part of me that expected someone to complain "Why didn't they tell people which admin it was so no one else hires him?"
I think this excuse is ridiculous. Coz the things that about when to play and how to play had already been set up in MLG's website. http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-challenger-league-/rules As a player, u need to see it as earlier as u can and keep it in mind.We didn't have any admin come and tell us when to play and how to play.We are always following the rules.So,i think this is Miya's fault,he can't blame others. And i feel sorry for the admin who was terminated......u got nothing wrong with this.
Poor Moosegills. Probably really fucked with his mindset. Guy is tied 1-1 with Demuslim in the biggest game of his career, suddenly he's told he has to go back and play Miya. Demuslim, Moosegills and Sasquatches mindsets all get fucked up cause of this.
MLG made the wrong call here, 100%. Thankfully Genna made it right, as she always does. This should of been no question, and wasting time on it is stupid. You don't go fucking back in time in a tournament. Making 1 person suffer for an admins mistake is better then making the rest of the bracket suffer.
Shitty situation, no doubt. One that MLG didn't only create themselves, but also managed to bungle in the handling off.
Also, it's Miyas responsibility to know what time he plays. It was labeled clearly in several places...just asking the admin is not the way to go about this. :/ I like Miya a lot as a player, but this mistake was on him as well as the admin.
On May 05 2013 14:20 Bonkarooni wrote: Poor Moosegills. Probably really fucked with his mindset. Guy is tied 1-1 with Demuslim in the biggest game of his career, suddenly he's told he has to go back and play Miya. Demuslim, Moosegills and Sasquatches mindsets all get fucked up cause of this.
MLG made the wrong call here, 100%. Thankfully Genna made it right, as she always does. This should of been no question, and wasting time on it is stupid. You don't go fucking back in time in a tournament. Making 1 person suffer for an admins mistake is better then making the rest of the bracket suffer.
Shitty situation, no doubt. One that MLG didn't only create themselves, but also managed to bungle in the handling off.
Also, it's Miyas responsibility to know what time he plays. It was labeled clearly in several places...just asking the admin is not the way to go about this. :/ I like Miya a lot as a player, but this mistake was on him as well as the admin.
Um, no. In no way can you put responsibility on Miya in this situation. If a player is unsure for whatever reason about what time he needs to play, asking an admin is the obvious choice, especially if English isn't their first language.
On May 05 2013 14:20 Bonkarooni wrote: Poor Moosegills. Probably really fucked with his mindset. Guy is tied 1-1 with Demuslim in the biggest game of his career, suddenly he's told he has to go back and play Miya. Demuslim, Moosegills and Sasquatches mindsets all get fucked up cause of this.
MLG made the wrong call here, 100%. Thankfully Genna made it right, as she always does. This should of been no question, and wasting time on it is stupid. You don't go fucking back in time in a tournament. Making 1 person suffer for an admins mistake is better then making the rest of the bracket suffer.
Shitty situation, no doubt. One that MLG didn't only create themselves, but also managed to bungle in the handling off.
Also, it's Miyas responsibility to know what time he plays. It was labeled clearly in several places...just asking the admin is not the way to go about this. :/ I like Miya a lot as a player, but this mistake was on him as well as the admin.
The admins are there because bracket times can change by a minutes notice and that the info on the web pages simply can't keep up with possible re-schedules, if anything the admins are the most reliable source of information a player has regarding match times and so forth.
How was he even suppose to know what source was bad and which was good? Was it the admin, the written pages on the website, or are they all correct or maybe they are were wrong? How you can blame this on the players is beyond me.
We don't know the history of this admin, but i would imagine that MLG wont fire some one for a single mistake and that perhaps this person already had a history of mistakes before this so firing him or to terminate his contract seems a legit choice.
And then miya lost on the loser bracket to TOP Now its the time for regret, if he hadn't accepted the forfeit he could have played against demuslim. Even if he lost, he would have gotten an easier opponent.
Basically MLG got Miya to lose his spot on the challenger league.
On May 05 2013 14:18 diophan wrote: If MLG fires someone everytime they mess up something with WCS AM they are going to be understraffed people quickly...
Two casters + Sundance to run the entire WCS murika. Could work.
On May 05 2013 14:12 iG.EdIsOn wrote: I think this excuse is ridiculous. Coz the things that about when to play and how to play had already been set up in MLG's website. http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-challenger-league-/rules As a player, u need to see it as earlier as u can and keep it in mind.We didn't have any admin come and tell us when to play and how to play.We are always following the rules.So,i think this is Miya's fault,he can't blame others. And i feel sorry for the admin who was terminated......u got nothing wrong with this.
Yep 100% this. It is astounding how many young people get financial aid for playing these tournaments and show the inability to read and follow rules, times etc. Some have even a management behind them who should assist and control.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
Not doing your job properly makes you lose it, nothing wrong with the community reaction.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
Not doing your job properly makes you lose it, nothing wrong with the community reaction.
Come on, such a small mistake ...
It's not about how big or small the mistake is, it's about the consequence for the players.
Obviously, qualify or not is a big difference for them.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
TL seems to overreact to just about everything and demand people lose their jobs.
I don't like your blanket statement. You must be terminated.
I actually think the biggest mistake here, although there were many, was to restore miya to the wb after he played a lb match. Seems mlg were proud of that fact though. But you fired the other guy... its all good now. rofl
The admin made a mistake that couldn't be rectified - any way you try to solve it, one or more players would have gotten effed over. That is about as serious a mistake you can make as an admin, and although firing the guy is really harsh, all these guys have probably been warned from the last cluster fuck. I would never support people losing their jobs needlessly, but MLG's decision here is very understandable.
EDIT: MLG's brackets suck, btw... They should just use liquipedia instead.
I feel that MLG wants to just point the finger at someone so they won't get the blame.
Admins are instructed in a certain way, and i'm sure there is a line somewhere that if you're late for a game and you haven't been able to contact the opponent in X time it's marked as no show, otherwise it will delay the brackets too much. I don't see how an admin could come up with this stuff on his own. Not really sure if this admin messed up or was it panic decision to revamp the brackets.
Atleast the players that aren't qualified for this season will know better then to sign to NA qualifiers rather then EU, latency might screw you up but atleast system isn't working against you.
I like this new approach when someone do a mistake they get fired. Sundance when you out of a job you can message me. I'm sure I can find something for you to do
As many others have said, it was not really possible to resolve that situation without screwing someone. The reaction here is so much biased by the people involved, that it sickens me. It would be the other way around if we would switch Miya and Demuslim's places.
On May 05 2013 18:58 grs wrote: As many others have said, it was not really possible to resolve that situation without screwing someone. The reaction here is so much biased by the people involved, that it sickens me. It would be the other way around if we would switch Miya and Demuslim's places.
I completely agree with this. I oftentimes feel that this forum is strongly foreigner biased. If Miya and Demuslim switched places, there would definitely be a heavy outroar here, especially since Demuslim is one of the few competitive foreigners left in WCS NA.
I've heard from unreliable sources that Angel Munoz is now hiring the NASL Sound-Guy, MLG Admin-Guy and ESEA Rogue-Programming-Guy to set-up a new Console FPS World Tour called the Starless League sponsored by Bit-Coins Mining unlimited.
Whoever was in charge of the admin should have made sure he was doing his job properly and knew all the times. The guy in charge of the person in charge of the admin should have made sure he was doing his job properly.
So I blame MLG and their poor chain of command. A quote from my dissertation because I can.
"These Shinto beliefs are still present in Japan to this day. Most businesses are set up using a hierarchy. Even though positions of power are still highly respected the unfortunate circumstance that something goes wrong would evidently mean the collective is to blame. 'For example, when Japan's famous Shinkansen (Fig. 1.3) "Bullet Train" is late, every employee from the engineer to the conductor, hostesses, and ticket sellers feels responsible and will apologise profusely to delayed passengers. Once atonement is made, the shame ceases and the burden it imposes is lifted.' (Littleton 2002 p.59)."
I think that MLG should stop DQ'ing and issuing forfeits to players so quickly and take their time to resolve these things instead of making what seems like snap decisions. This isn't "Gamebattles" anymore. This is the WCS America Premier & Challenger leagues we're talking about. You shouldn't run it like you would run a weekly online cup.
In other words, I don't care what the official "Gamebattles" rules are that they've been using. They need to exercise some judgment and bend the rules a little when they need to be bent, and make sure they're making the RIGHT judgment calls, so that Comm doesn't get DQ'd one round before qualifying for Premier League (and now he's not even going to be in Challenger League). And so that Miya doesn't get DQ'd for showing up late to a match - I'm thinking they could have delayed his match and tried to contact Axiom's management, aka Jenna Bain (or alternately, TotalBiscuit). This is not some random Diamond NA Protoss player in the first Premier Qualifiers we're talking about (that's me, by the way...). This is Axiom.Miya, Korean pro on a foreign team.
MLG, please slow down and consider the bigger picture?
On May 05 2013 19:35 Rustug wrote: I've heard from unreliable sources that Angel Munoz is now hiring the NASL Sound-Guy, MLG Admin-Guy and ESEA Rogue-Programming-Guy to set-up a new Console FPS World Tour called the Starless League sponsored by Bit-Coins Mining unlimited.
We need that guy who hosted the Philippines tournament in on that action too
MLG strikes again. Do they just walk on the street and randomly hire people? Can't wait to see what the next fail from them will be, so gentlemen place your bets.
On May 05 2013 19:38 Littlemuff wrote: Whoever was in charge of the admin should have made sure he was doing his job properly and knew all the times. The guy in charge of the person in charge of the admin should have made sure he was doing his job properly.
So I blame MLG and their poor chain of command. A quote from my dissertation because I can.
"These Shinto beliefs are still present in Japan to this day. Most businesses are set up using a hierarchy. Even though positions of power are still highly respected the unfortunate circumstance that something goes wrong would evidently mean the collective is to blame. 'For example, when Japan's famous Shinkansen (Fig. 1.3) "Bullet Train" is late, every employee from the engineer to the conductor, hostesses, and ticket sellers feels responsible and will apologise profusely to delayed passengers. Once atonement is made, the shame ceases and the burden it imposes is lifted.' (Littleton 2002 p.59)."
We clearly don't have the information needed to make such conclusions. For all we know, the admin giving incorrect information might have just brain farted at the moment he wrote the message to Miya, and actually knew the correct time. Those in charge of the admins should of course check up on them regularly, but there's a limit to the degree they can micro manage.
It's not up to us to blame anyone until we have sufficient information to do so. Maybe they fired the wrong guy, but we don't know that.
On May 05 2013 18:15 hoburame wrote: Now, This is proffesional. Admin should not make such big mistakes. I like the measure.
They shouldn't let only 1 admin take care of such important thing by himself. In any big organizations, at least 2 people review information before releasing them.
Well the overall result is that Moosegills went on to lose to Neeb in the losers bracket, and Miya went on to lose to Top. If this never happened, Miya would face DeMuslim, and the loser would then go on to presumably eat Neeb, and Moosegills would probably have been fodder for Top.
In the end we have some unknown progressing farther into the tournament than he otherwise might have if the error had not occured, and Miya getting dropped from the tournament having started in the winners bracket and only losing one match, rather than two.
While having Miya sent to losers bracket might be the best action overall, Genna should let MLG to make that decision. I feel like she should be acting in the interests of her own players regardless. MLG should take the fall for whatever decision they make.
Who knows, maybe Miya isn`t salty about his own boss not defending him.
On May 06 2013 00:37 Jintoss wrote: Well the overall result is that Moosegills went on to lose to Neeb in the losers bracket, and Miya went on to lose to Top. If this never happened, Miya would face DeMuslim, and the loser would then go on to presumably eat Neeb, and Moosegills would probably have been fodder for Top.
In the end we have some unknown progressing farther into the tournament than he otherwise might have if the error had not occured, and Miya getting dropped from the tournament having started in the winners bracket and only losing one match, rather than two.
Just because he is unknown doesn't mean he deserves it any less, it's a bad situation and MLG is to be blamed.
On May 06 2013 00:48 mango_destroyer wrote: While having Miya sent to losers bracket might be the best action overall, Genna should let MLG to make that decision. I feel like she should be acting in the interests of her own players regardless. MLG should take the fall for whatever decision they make.
Who knows, maybe Miya isn`t salty about his own boss not defending him.
I don't know. But since the second match between Demuslim and Moosegills had already started, there wasn't a lot that could be done that wouldn't hurting someone. MLG took the hit and fired one of their staff, which is never a fun thing to do. Miya had to go to the losers bracket, but I get the feeling that TB and Genna were not wild about screwing over other players for the sake of one of theirs. Miya may not have been wild about the idea either.
It sucks, but after all this is done, MLG, Axiom and EG all have to deal with each other later on. Its not like they can ignore each other or just walk away. Burning bridges and being unwilling to compromise is generally a bad practice, so I am glad they took the route that they did.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
Because terminated could also be understood as something besides someone losing a job...
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
Because terminated could also be understood as something besides someone losing a job...
I don't really know what else can be read into than the admin lost their position and no longer works for MLG.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
In my part of the real world you don't do one mistake (which btw is not a big one, just had big consequences) and get fired. Every court here would punish the employer. What we don't know is, if there is much more other mistakes/problems with his work before.
And the term "terminate" might be the correct one for the US; it would not be in many other countries, so maybe that's part of the complaints about the term.
No company would publicly brag about "we fired the one responsible" here either. Different cultures I guess.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
Because terminated could also be understood as something besides someone losing a job...
I don't really know what else can be read into than the admin lost their position and no longer works for MLG.
Then you lack some sense of humour.
I don't really need to know they fired the guy to be fair, but i don't think it's too much. It's not only compromising the tournament brackets a huge misstep, it also screws players and if left unpunish could over time, become a problem with admins doing that kind of stuff to give better chances to other players on purpose.
On May 06 2013 00:37 Jintoss wrote: Well the overall result is that Moosegills went on to lose to Neeb in the losers bracket, and Miya went on to lose to Top. If this never happened, Miya would face DeMuslim, and the loser would then go on to presumably eat Neeb, and Moosegills would probably have been fodder for Top.
In the end we have some unknown progressing farther into the tournament than he otherwise might have if the error had not occured, and Miya getting dropped from the tournament having started in the winners bracket and only losing one match, rather than two.
Hmm im unsure i think if it was a genuine first time mistake by the admin then perhaps firing them is a bit harsh - the teams all knew when to show up they had been told? please correct me if i'm wrong - Miya was double checking with the guy who THEN gave the wrong time - its both the teams fault and the admins - i mean should Genna Bain be fired or "terminated" (lol) for dropping the ball also- i mean obviously the information didnt match up. Should Miya be "terminated" for not realising the information was different and triple checking ? No. Ofcourse not. People make mistakes.
MLG did the right thing by terminating the admin. I feel like you guys are so anti-MLG at this point no matter what they do makes you salty.
MLG wants to be a premier hub for esports and if this type of error is allowed to go unpunished you're going to see more of the same old. It's about time MLG turns the corner.
Good job by MLG. I've been deeply disappointed by MLG recently. I actually loved their tournaments back then with the old spice and hot pocket adverts but since WCS NA, it has been a complete and utter disaster.
It was the right decision to let the admin go. MLG has recently had a PR disaster when it came to WCS NA and unfortunately if people can't do simple tasks well then they need to be let go. It's not hard to tell somebody their time to play in a match (google if timezones are an issue). Because such a minor mistake had a huge impact on the integrity of the tournament since a strong player, Miya, was effectively screwed over.
If we want WCS NA to be a success we need the best people for the job and i'm glad MLG is taking steps and making sure esports can be viewed as a proper sport in the future in America, rather than some shoddy backwater tournament.
Good work MLG, I hope and expect more improvements in the future!
On May 05 2013 16:49 KawaiiRice wrote: Admining just takes some common sense and patience. I don't know why mlg admins have such a terrible track record with it...
You misunderestimate the number of stupid people in the world and how many of them are administrators.
Bad administrators are innovative and resourceful, but so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm E-Sports, but neither do we. We will prevail. Mission accomplished.
...And some can even be presidents.
On May 05 2013 11:09 Mauldo wrote: I don't blame MLG at all. If that admin had done his job properly no conflict would have arisen. But he didn't. In fact, he gave blatantly wrong information that he should have known. Because of him a manager was forced to argue against her player for the good of the tournament, two players were at one point forfeited out, and a qualifier that was otherwise a rather good day of SC2 was marred because this one guy couldn't get his times right.
Sucks for the admin, but you don't fuck up like that and expect to keep your job. That kind of immunity is reserved for whoever the fuck decided to have 512 man, first-come first-serve qualifiers; not some faceless admin.
Having multiple admins individually give out information with no one to double check them is a terrible idea. The result is issues like this, where admins have the potential to give out bad information or make bad decisions that MLG will later regret because they don't check on what people are doing. This could have easily been avoided with a a better system. Either have everything go through a single admin and have it checked by a backup admin, or pair up your admins and have them work together.
As someone who works in a hospital, I understand the medicine administration system and the great lengths they go to make sure it is done right. I'm sure TV stations do the same thing, which is why we rarely see problems with cable TV broadcasts.
Terminating one bad admin isn't going to solve a bad system, because people make mistakes. MLG should be looking into a system where they can correct mistakes before they change the outcome of the bracket or decide games, rather than retroactively punishing people for human error. Be proactive MLG.
Having a bunch of admins running around making calls without anyone to double check them is asking for errors like this. From what I recall, MLG had lots of problems at their live events with admins too.
On May 05 2013 16:49 KawaiiRice wrote: Admining just takes some common sense and patience. I don't know why mlg admins have such a terrible track record with it...
You misunderestimate the number of stupid people in the world and how many of them are administrators.
On May 05 2013 16:49 KawaiiRice wrote: Admining just takes some common sense and patience. I don't know why mlg admins have such a terrible track record with it...
You misunderestimate the number of stupid people in the world and how many of them are administrators.
Well, quite.
"Misunderestimate" was a term used by President Bush in a speech in 2000. The second part of his post was a play on another quote, this time from 2004 ("Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.")
I guess blame culture, with you not being from the United States, but he really was a poor public speaker.
On May 06 2013 15:49 maddogmcgee wrote: he made a bad mistake, but did they really need to kill him ?
LOL
Tbh firing him is quite rash. MLG would have to fire everybody else who fucked up during the WCS qualifiers as well to be fair. OR they just accept that they've fucked up and do better next time.
Interestingly enough the first person to suggest firing the admin was Moosegills. I do hope neither that nor people on reddit/TL influenced this decision.
On May 05 2013 10:24 heyoka wrote: Pretty shitty situation because I don't think there is a fair way to resolve it without at least one player getting shafted.
This is why the admin should get pretty severe consequences. You unfairly affected someone's tournament life, which a portion of their income relies on. Imagine this happening in a major, televised sport. Granted, they probably should've called Miya at the time of the match (or 5-10 minutes before) and asked where he was. They would've known there was a mix up with the times, the admin wouldn't have to get terminated, and none of the players get screwed over. If you need to fill the time slot, you can just ask if any other players that are there early are fine with playing earlier.
I mean, if the admin job is extremely hectic and stressful, it's a bit understandable. But if they have a history of screwing up, then someone else needs to be found to do the job. I have no details of what the job entails, the pay, or the admin's history, so I just have to believe that MLG made a fair and proper decision instead of just hanging out someone to appease the people. Props to Miya and his coach for biting the bullet for everyone.
Terminating one bad admin isn't going to solve a bad system, because people make mistakes. MLG should be looking into a system where they can correct mistakes before they change the outcome of the bracket or decide games, rather than retroactively punishing people for human error. Be proactive MLG.
Having a bunch of admins running around making calls without anyone to double check them is asking for errors like this. From what I recall, MLG had lots of problems at their live events with admins too.
Terminating one bad admin isn't going to solve a bad system, but it will solve stupid ridiculous mistakes like this. Whether you like it or not, people who ruin their job rather than successfully performing their duty, get fired. I'm sure you have a job irl right? Try doing the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. If you're a waiter, tell all your customers that the food sucks balls. Tell them that the food is free when really it's not. Or try telling them that you close 2 hours before you actually do. Your manager will fire you for failing to do your job properly.
This is life my friend.
Now, about MLG having a failure of a system is still truth, but it has nothing to do with an admin getting fired. In fact, some higher ups need to get fired if they keep making terrible decisions. The thing is, they won't be fired because they are higher ups. Nothing we do will make MLG change what they do. They just need to fuck up enough times to finally adjust enough to get it right. Ruining a bunch of people's careers isn't really a big deal to them. So long as they have a decent "end result", they will feel satisfied.
Even after the massive amounts of complaints, they still barred Comm from participating. They don't really care because they feel that they are right even if they are wrong.
On May 05 2013 10:24 heyoka wrote: Pretty shitty situation because I don't think there is a fair way to resolve it without at least one player getting shafted.
This is why the admin should get pretty severe consequences. You unfairly affected someone's tournament life, which a portion of their income relies on. Imagine this happening in a major, televised sport. Granted, they probably should've called Miya at the time of the match (or 5-10 minutes before) and asked where he was. They would've known there was a mix up with the times, the admin wouldn't have to get terminated, and none of the players get screwed over. If you need to fill the time slot, you can just ask if any other players that are there early are fine with playing earlier.
I mean, if the admin job is extremely hectic and stressful, it's a bit understandable. But if they have a history of screwing up, then someone else needs to be found to do the job. I have no details of what the job entails, the pay, or the admin's history, so I just have to believe that MLG made a fair and proper decision instead of just hanging out someone to appease the people. Props to Miya and his coach for biting the bullet for everyone.
I admin'd for about 3 years. It's not that difficult.....
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
In my part of the real world you don't do one mistake (which btw is not a big one, just had big consequences) and get fired. Every court here would punish the employer. What we don't know is, if there is much more other mistakes/problems with his work before.
And the term "terminate" might be the correct one for the US; it would not be in many other countries, so maybe that's part of the complaints about the term.
No company would publicly brag about "we fired the one responsible" here either. Different cultures I guess.
In the united states you can fire someone without a reason at anytime, unless you have a contract that says otherwise, of course if you can prove in court it was discrimination against something that is protected, like race/religion ect. the employer would lose, otherwise you lose your job if someone above you wants you gone.
I think it's really strange that you say where you come from someone can make a mistake and not legally be allowed to be fired.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
In my part of the real world you don't do one mistake (which btw is not a big one, just had big consequences) and get fired. Every court here would punish the employer. What we don't know is, if there is much more other mistakes/problems with his work before.
And the term "terminate" might be the correct one for the US; it would not be in many other countries, so maybe that's part of the complaints about the term.
No company would publicly brag about "we fired the one responsible" here either. Different cultures I guess.
In the united states you can fire someone without a reason at anytime, unless you have a contract that says otherwise, of course if you can prove in court it was discrimination against something that is protected, like race/religion ect. the employer would lose, otherwise you lose your job if someone above you wants you gone.
I think it's really strange that you say where you come from someone can make a mistake and not legally be allowed to be fired.
Yes, I know it is different in the US. You actually can't be fired for a single mistake (and I do not mean blowing up a factory) in most of Western Europe.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
In my part of the real world you don't do one mistake (which btw is not a big one, just had big consequences) and get fired. Every court here would punish the employer. What we don't know is, if there is much more other mistakes/problems with his work before.
And the term "terminate" might be the correct one for the US; it would not be in many other countries, so maybe that's part of the complaints about the term.
No company would publicly brag about "we fired the one responsible" here either. Different cultures I guess.
In the united states you can fire someone without a reason at anytime, unless you have a contract that says otherwise, of course if you can prove in court it was discrimination against something that is protected, like race/religion ect. the employer would lose, otherwise you lose your job if someone above you wants you gone.
I think it's really strange that you say where you come from someone can make a mistake and not legally be allowed to be fired.
Yes, I know it is different in the US. You actually can't be fired for a single mistake (and I do not mean blowing up a factory) in most of Western Europe.
It's not entirely clear they were employees, if it were a contract position then you could (effectively fire them) by no longer giving them work... terminating the contract as it were. Most employees contracts here have trial periods where you can drop them with less cause and if this guy was responsible for some of the original qualifier cock ups he'd be sat on a formal warning already. Anyway all seems reasonable to me, this you can't fire someone for being bad at the job mentality bothers me. MLG has enough issues without being forced to keep all its bad staff.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
In my part of the real world you don't do one mistake (which btw is not a big one, just had big consequences) and get fired. Every court here would punish the employer. What we don't know is, if there is much more other mistakes/problems with his work before.
And the term "terminate" might be the correct one for the US; it would not be in many other countries, so maybe that's part of the complaints about the term.
No company would publicly brag about "we fired the one responsible" here either. Different cultures I guess.
In the united states you can fire someone without a reason at anytime, unless you have a contract that says otherwise, of course if you can prove in court it was discrimination against something that is protected, like race/religion ect. the employer would lose, otherwise you lose your job if someone above you wants you gone.
I think it's really strange that you say where you come from someone can make a mistake and not legally be allowed to be fired.
Yes, I know it is different in the US. You actually can't be fired for a single mistake (and I do not mean blowing up a factory) in most of Western Europe.
It's not entirely clear they were employees, if it were a contract position then you could (effectively fire them) by no longer giving them work... terminating the contract as it were. Most employees contracts here have trial periods where you can drop them with less cause and if this guy was responsible for some of the original qualifier cock ups he'd be sat on a formal warning already. Anyway all seems reasonable to me, this you can't fire someone for being bad at the job mentality bothers me. MLG has enough issues without being forced to keep all its bad staff.
I think we might derail this a bit, but to make it a bit more clear: You can easily fire someone on trial here too (usually first 6 months) and you can for sure fire someone who is *continuosly* bad at his job. What you cannot do here, is fire someone for a mistake and I think that is correct. Only people who do not work at all at their job make no mistakes.
On May 06 2013 15:49 maddogmcgee wrote: he made a bad mistake, but did they really need to kill him ?
LOL
Tbh firing him is quite rash. MLG would have to fire everybody else who fucked up during the WCS qualifiers as well to be fair. OR they just accept that they've fucked up and do better next time.
Interestingly enough the first person to suggest firing the admin was Moosegills. I do hope neither that nor people on reddit/TL influenced this decision.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a lot of the questionable calls from MLG of late came from the same admin. He might even be a really nice guy and that's why they didn't fire him right away. But in the end you can only give people so many chances.
On May 05 2013 10:17 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Today during the MLG operated WCS America Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier, a situation arose due to an MLG admin error that warrants clarification. Players involved included Miya, Demuslim, Moosegills, and Sasquatch.
After having a Bye in Winners Round 1, Miya showed up to his Winners Round 2 Match late, resulting in MLG admins making him forfeit the match and instructing him to play a Losers Round 2 Match against Sasquatch. Miya went on to beat Sasquatch.
Shortly after Miya’s victory, MLG was notified that Miya had shown up late to Winners Round 2 due to an MLG admin providing him with an incorrect start time for his match. MLG immediately retracted Miya’s Winners Round 2 forfeit to give him the Winner's Bracket placement he deserved.
Miya’s manager advised Miya to accept his Winners Bracket forfeit feeling that any other outcome would be unfair to Demuslim and Moosegills, the other players involved in the subsequent matches.
After Miya conceded the Winners Round 2 victory to Moosegills, MLG let all Miya/Demuslim/Moosegills/Sasquatch results stand. The current bracket is available here.
Additionally, MLG terminated the admin who originally supplied Miya with the incorrect match information.
We apologize to the players and those impacted by the admin errors.
MLG terminated the admin
terminated
Pretty drastic measures.
how is that drastic? in the real world.. when you screw up and make such big mistakes. you usually lose your job.
In my part of the real world you don't do one mistake (which btw is not a big one, just had big consequences) and get fired. Every court here would punish the employer. What we don't know is, if there is much more other mistakes/problems with his work before.
And the term "terminate" might be the correct one for the US; it would not be in many other countries, so maybe that's part of the complaints about the term.
No company would publicly brag about "we fired the one responsible" here either. Different cultures I guess.
In the united states you can fire someone without a reason at anytime, unless you have a contract that says otherwise, of course if you can prove in court it was discrimination against something that is protected, like race/religion ect. the employer would lose, otherwise you lose your job if someone above you wants you gone.
I think it's really strange that you say where you come from someone can make a mistake and not legally be allowed to be fired.
Yes, I know it is different in the US. You actually can't be fired for a single mistake (and I do not mean blowing up a factory) in most of Western Europe.
It's not entirely clear they were employees, if it were a contract position then you could (effectively fire them) by no longer giving them work... terminating the contract as it were. Most employees contracts here have trial periods where you can drop them with less cause and if this guy was responsible for some of the original qualifier cock ups he'd be sat on a formal warning already. Anyway all seems reasonable to me, this you can't fire someone for being bad at the job mentality bothers me. MLG has enough issues without being forced to keep all its bad staff.
I think we might derail this a bit, but to make it a bit more clear: You can easily fire someone on trial here too (usually first 6 months) and you can for sure fire someone who is *continuosly* bad at his job. What you cannot do here, is fire someone for a mistake and I think that is correct. Only people who do not work at all at their job make no mistakes.
I would like to stress your last sentence. Before discussing whether an employer by law can fire someone for a mistake, I would like to question that he would. Of course it comes down to the question how big and how understandable of a mistake it was, but heck, everyone makes mistakes. Plus, generally speaking, upon firing someone, an employer has to find a replacement, which costs time and money and is a pain in the butt, and in most jobs has to introduce the new guy to his work, which costs more time and money. And then he is guaranteed that the new guy doesn't make mistakes? No. Even if we discount forgiveness, loyalty etc. as nonexistent, an employer should logically only fire someone for a mistake if he is reasonably sure he will continue making above average numbers of mistakes that cost the company more than the finding of a new employee and the risk of employing the wrong one combined.
On May 07 2013 04:25 freeamount wrote: A: Why are there lots of problems in WCS NA? B: It is MLG. A: Oh. It makes sense.
At least it's the only North American league that's reliable (or alive) nowadays. At least it's one of the few leagues that consistently pays out prize money on time. At least it's one of the few leagues where you don't hear about "money problems" all the time. Be grateful and quit acting like you'd do a better job.
On May 07 2013 04:25 freeamount wrote: A: Why are there lots of problems in WCS NA? B: It is MLG. A: Oh. It makes sense.
At least it's the only North American league that's reliable (or alive) nowadays. At least it's one of the few leagues that consistently pays out prize money on time. At least it's one of the few leagues where you don't hear about "money problems" all the time. Be grateful and quit acting like you'd do a better job.
NASL has done the best job with WCS so far, excluding GSL of course.
Terminating one bad admin isn't going to solve a bad system, because people make mistakes. MLG should be looking into a system where they can correct mistakes before they change the outcome of the bracket or decide games, rather than retroactively punishing people for human error. Be proactive MLG.
Having a bunch of admins running around making calls without anyone to double check them is asking for errors like this. From what I recall, MLG had lots of problems at their live events with admins too.
Terminating one bad admin isn't going to solve a bad system, but it will solve stupid ridiculous mistakes like this. Whether you like it or not, people who ruin their job rather than successfully performing their duty, get fired. I'm sure you have a job irl right? Try doing the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. If you're a waiter, tell all your customers that the food sucks balls. Tell them that the food is free when really it's not. Or try telling them that you close 2 hours before you actually do. Your manager will fire you for failing to do your job properly.
This is life my friend.
Now, about MLG having a failure of a system is still truth, but it has nothing to do with an admin getting fired. In fact, some higher ups need to get fired if they keep making terrible decisions. The thing is, they won't be fired because they are higher ups. Nothing we do will make MLG change what they do. They just need to fuck up enough times to finally adjust enough to get it right. Ruining a bunch of people's careers isn't really a big deal to them. So long as they have a decent "end result", they will feel satisfied.
Even after the massive amounts of complaints, they still barred Comm from participating. They don't really care because they feel that they are right even if they are wrong.
I don't disagree with the firing at all. But like you said some higher ups need to get fired too, because they are the ones that put the system into place that failed. Human error needs to be accounted for, you can't simply expect human errors to not happen. Instead put in a system where it takes multiple people to make the same mistake before something bad happens (ie pair up admins as I said). Had someone double checked the time that the admin gave Miya, this whole fiasco doesn't happen!
Unfortunately, you are also correct that higher up won't get fired, so MLG will always be MLG. Oh well.
On May 07 2013 04:25 freeamount wrote: A: Why are there lots of problems in WCS NA? B: It is MLG. A: Oh. It makes sense.
At least it's the only North American league that's reliable (or alive) nowadays. At least it's one of the few leagues that consistently pays out prize money on time. At least it's one of the few leagues where you don't hear about "money problems" all the time. Be grateful and quit acting like you'd do a better job.
NASL has done the best job with WCS so far, excluding GSL of course.
Honestly NASL hasn't had to do anything. They decided to run a stream showing some of the games (and they did that damn well) but they have had absolutely nothing to do with organising it.
EPT
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