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On April 28 2013 08:19 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:16 Killmouse wrote:On April 28 2013 08:13 MuseMike wrote:On April 28 2013 08:12 TimENT wrote:
Has there been a tournament since the release of HotS where the Z didn't win? Lmao IEM but that was like 2-3 days before release. In all honesty there haven't been many tourneys. no IEM was even before release, there were 2 tours after release both won by zergs when zergs are considered UP ,this really reminds me of WOL beginning GSL OPEN 1 and 2 won by fruitdealer and creator of the universe well Leenock does grow up to be NesTea, hopefully Life doesn't grow up to be Fruitdealer 
Life is way more consistent than Fruitdealer. They shouldn't be compared anyway
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On April 28 2013 08:16 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:13 MuseMike wrote:On April 28 2013 08:12 TimENT wrote:
Has there been a tournament since the release of HotS where the Z didn't win? Lmao IEM but that was like 2-3 days before release. In all honesty there haven't been many tourneys. no IEM was even before release, there were 2 tours after release both won by zergs when zergs are considered UP ,this really reminds me of WOL beginning GSL OPEN 1 and 2 won by fruitdealer and creator of the universe
Yeah this is totally comparable to the times when nobody knew how to play the game at all.
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On April 28 2013 08:17 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:14 StarStruck wrote:On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;
Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S. Yes Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round. Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day. So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process. Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance? Who's saying he's better? o-O Leenock and Life have proven themselves time and time again as being top level zerg artists. Have you seen Leenock's playbook (he actually keeps a diary)? Leenock is a top level Zerg man wth man. Are you trying to say he isn't? Frig these guys even go back and forth when they play one another. The guy who said "Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet"? I quoted him, it shouldn't be very hard to find.
It's quite possible. You can be the best Zerg on the planet and then lose in the first round of Code S because your group happens to be Life, Parting, and Last. Leenock is possibly a better Zerg than Life because he has no bad match-ups, while it's obvious Life needs to figure out ZvZ. He (Life) looks really uncomfortable in that matchup.
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In terms of best foreigner, I think it could be sen, but most people forget about him when talking about foreigners
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On April 28 2013 08:20 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:18 rift wrote:
balance is very good. zvz needs a tweak tho yeah i agree, mayb nerf medi boost little bit like taking 30%more dmg while boostin
Yes, that should solve zvz nicely.
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On April 28 2013 08:11 Killcani wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Is there any reason the prize money is so low? I was sort of shocked just now upon checking Liquipedia that Leenock only won around $9,000. Assumed he had just won $50K or so! The prize money is kinda low but they have several events + winter championship with alot more money on the line
Thanks. I haven't been following SC2 lately, so I'm outta the loop. So many viewers though. Last DreamHack or MLG I watched, maybe a year ago, had half that viewership or less!
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DAMN good job Naniwa, i wasnt expecting a foreigner in the finals, let alone going toe to toe with one of the most unpredictable zergs in SC2 right now (and one of the best), like i said before, Naniwa played his own tournament, and he won !!
I hope naniwa gets his stuff together, if he starts thinking only in the game and not his (old-times) bm, he could be (if he is not anyway) one of the best foreigner in the SC2 scene
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On April 28 2013 08:20 WhX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:19 Die4Ever wrote:On April 28 2013 08:16 Killmouse wrote:On April 28 2013 08:13 MuseMike wrote:On April 28 2013 08:12 TimENT wrote:
Has there been a tournament since the release of HotS where the Z didn't win? Lmao IEM but that was like 2-3 days before release. In all honesty there haven't been many tourneys. no IEM was even before release, there were 2 tours after release both won by zergs when zergs are considered UP ,this really reminds me of WOL beginning GSL OPEN 1 and 2 won by fruitdealer and creator of the universe well Leenock does grow up to be NesTea, hopefully Life doesn't grow up to be Fruitdealer Life is way more consistent than Fruitdealer. They shouldn't be compared anyway
that was the joke
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On April 28 2013 08:20 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:18 rift wrote:
balance is very good. zvz needs a tweak tho yeah i agree, mayb nerf medi boost little bit like taking 30%more dmg while boostin
Cuz terrans are winning so much? -.-
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On April 28 2013 08:15 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:49 Z-BosoN wrote:
man, I was expecting more out of this last game.. kind of a let-down he chose to go for an easy finish with the 2-base all in Some people just don't get how stupid it is for protoss to secure more bases on some maps....
I find it a bit sad that the map veto system fell out of style. Makes loser choice really powerful in some cases. I prefer losers choice and 1 or 2 vetos the most.
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On April 28 2013 08:21 mrjpark wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:17 Rostam wrote:On April 28 2013 08:14 StarStruck wrote:On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;
Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S. Yes Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round. Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day. So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process. Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance? Who's saying he's better? o-O Leenock and Life have proven themselves time and time again as being top level zerg artists. Have you seen Leenock's playbook (he actually keeps a diary)? Leenock is a top level Zerg man wth man. Are you trying to say he isn't? Frig these guys even go back and forth when they play one another. The guy who said "Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet"? I quoted him, it shouldn't be very hard to find. It's quite possible. You can be the best Zerg on the planet and then lose in the first round of Code S because your group happens to be Life, Parting, and Last. Leenock is possibly a better Zerg than Life because he has no bad match-ups, while it's obvious Life needs to figure out ZvZ. He (Life) looks really uncomfortable in that matchup.
Life's ZvZ got worse, but it used to be his best match-up (and still is? I'm not sure right now). He 2-0ed Leenock in the most recent GSL group stage after losing to him during the first series. He's still damn good at it
Edit: Just checked it. Even after considering his most recent games in GSL, ZvZ is (statistically) his best match-up.
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On April 28 2013 08:23 WhX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:21 mrjpark wrote:On April 28 2013 08:17 Rostam wrote:On April 28 2013 08:14 StarStruck wrote:On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;
Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S. Yes Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round. Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day. So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process. Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance? Who's saying he's better? o-O Leenock and Life have proven themselves time and time again as being top level zerg artists. Have you seen Leenock's playbook (he actually keeps a diary)? Leenock is a top level Zerg man wth man. Are you trying to say he isn't? Frig these guys even go back and forth when they play one another. The guy who said "Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet"? I quoted him, it shouldn't be very hard to find. It's quite possible. You can be the best Zerg on the planet and then lose in the first round of Code S because your group happens to be Life, Parting, and Last. Leenock is possibly a better Zerg than Life because he has no bad match-ups, while it's obvious Life needs to figure out ZvZ. He (Life) looks really uncomfortable in that matchup. Life's ZvZ got worse, but it used to be his best match-up (and still is? I'm not sure right now). He 2-0ed Leenock in the most recent GSL group stage after losing to him during the first series. He's still damn good at it
ZvT is probably Life's best matchup; although they're all pretty good so it's not like it matters 
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Medivac boost is not imba, don't you guys see with how Zergs are countering with the upgraded Mutas thanks to Life?
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On April 28 2013 08:20 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:17 Rostam wrote:On April 28 2013 08:14 StarStruck wrote:On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;
Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S. Yes Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round. Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day. So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process. Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance? Who's saying he's better? o-O Leenock and Life have proven themselves time and time again as being top level zerg artists. Have you seen Leenock's playbook (he actually keeps a diary)? Leenock is a top level Zerg man wth man. Are you trying to say he isn't? Frig these guys even go back and forth when they play one another. The guy who said "Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet"? I quoted him, it shouldn't be very hard to find. I saw that but notice the probably and good thing we don't look at results from one tournament alone? Same rule applies to NaNiwa. Stop grasping at straws.
I'm grasping at straws? You're the one who turned "Leenock hasn't proven he's better than Life" into "Leenock isn't a top-level zerg".
There is no reasonable basis for saying Leenock is the best zerg in the world regardless of how many tournament results you look at. He is a top zerg. He has not proven that he is the best. Not by a long shot.
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On April 28 2013 08:13 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:12 TimENT wrote:
Has there been a tournament since the release of HotS where the Z didn't win? Lmao I'm glad zergs are doing well, maybe it will eventually make the balance whining go away.
Lmao that hasn't stopped anyone from complaining in the past. Hopefully all 3 races will stop complaining because the game looks pretty fucking balanced right now
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On April 28 2013 08:21 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:11 Killcani wrote:On April 28 2013 08:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Is there any reason the prize money is so low? I was sort of shocked just now upon checking Liquipedia that Leenock only won around $9,000. Assumed he had just won $50K or so! The prize money is kinda low but they have several events + winter championship with alot more money on the line Thanks. I haven't been following SC2 lately, so I'm outta the loop. So many viewers though. Last DreamHack or MLG I watched, maybe a year ago, had half that viewership or less!
Winning DH is glory
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On April 28 2013 08:15 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:12 Asymmetric wrote:On April 28 2013 08:06 Ventris wrote:On April 28 2013 08:04 Asymmetric wrote:On April 28 2013 08:04 lungic wrote:On April 28 2013 08:03 Asymmetric wrote:I wish the UK got some loving from anyone You got that DeMuslim guy, Oh wait ... I mean tournaments/events. Not players. UK could be acceptable, I guess. But now that you mention it, you are pretty underdeveloped in terms of major events. Even Romania beats you. It shouldn't be too difficult to get a decent crowd in the UK. There's decent British casters and the South is one of the densely populated areas in the western world. I'd put it anywhere but the South, when WCS UK started people were moaning about alcohol being £5 for a small bottle. And our government has gaming tax so they'll be wanting a slice of any event which is a huge put-off.
Holding it in London is the problem, if they held it in Manchester or Birmingham I think the cost problems wont be as bad.
and I'm pretty sure the US has a lot more stringent gaming/gambling taxes than the UK.
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Thank you again dreamhack for being the only tournament that GETS IT. Free amazing quality, production, vods, and players. As long as tournaments like this exist I will not pay a dollar to MLG/GSL because this is what it should be.
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