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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
April 27 2013 23:15 GMT
#10801
On April 28 2013 08:13 Mouzone wrote:
So when's the next major tournament?

WCS EU/NA/KR have all either started or are starting soon.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
April 27 2013 23:16 GMT
#10802
On April 28 2013 08:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:13 Mouzone wrote:
So when's the next major tournament?


GSL is still ongoing and so is WCS. In theory, it doesn't get more major than that.


True, but I meant like the next offline weekend event'ish.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
April 27 2013 23:16 GMT
#10803
On April 28 2013 08:08 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:02 Dodgin wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:01 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:58 Rainfall7711 wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:52 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:51 Undead1993 wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:51 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:50 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Hmm, Nani sits as best foreigner now, don't think there are any serious disputes to that for the moment :3

lol?

he is right, nothing to lol here

Really? He had a REALLY easy road to the finals.

All foreigners to the R08 and then someone with incredibly shit ZvP.


REALLY?? REALLY? you're one of those guys.

Most moronic comment of the post. Check his groups and his run. Beating all those opponents and driving Leenock to the final game. Solid play throughout. Out playing Leenock in both the games he won. REALLY EASY. Fuck off. You have no idea about starcraft,

Dude calm down. I know he beat Yugioh and MC so obviously he had to play well to get to this point. You can't deny though he can a far easier run then Leenock for example. Saying that he is clearly the best foreigner right now is just dumb. Lucifron got coin flipped out. Stephano had to play his worst matchup vs a top Korean. Vortix and Scarlett weren't even here. There is no reason to say Naniwa is undisputedly the best foreigner.


coca is not a top korean lol he lost horribly in the code a qualifiers and just returned from league of legends

He played well from what I saw and he no doubt has a ton of talent. Can we seriously say Naniwa is the best foreigner from this tournament. We can't even say he is better then Sase.

Sase got eliminated by Hyun who Naniwa also lost to. Naniwa actually came in second in both of his groups and then had a easy (comparably) RO16 to the finals. Impressive but not good enough to prove he is even top 5 foreigner

Maybe one was harder than the other. Huk on the same bracket side as Naniwa but he got eliminated several stages before. Guess he wouldnt make in to the top 15 foreigners. Im pretty sure Naniwa would even be a top 3 foreigner along side Stephano and someone else. Sase perhaps ?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 27 2013 23:16 GMT
#10804
On April 28 2013 08:16 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:13 Mouzone wrote:
So when's the next major tournament?


GSL is still ongoing and so is WCS. In theory, it doesn't get more major than that.


True, but I meant like the next offline weekend event'ish.

Idk when the next MLG is but the next Dreamhack is in June
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Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 23:17:49
April 27 2013 23:16 GMT
#10805
On April 28 2013 08:13 MuseMike wrote:
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On April 28 2013 08:12 TimENT wrote:
Has there been a tournament since the release of HotS where the Z didn't win? Lmao

IEM but that was like 2-3 days before release. In all honesty there haven't been many tourneys.

no IEM was even before release, there were 2 tours after release both won by zergs when zergs are considered UP ,this really reminds me of WOL beginning GSL OPEN 1 and 2 won by fruitdealer and creator of the universe
yo
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 27 2013 23:17 GMT
#10806
On April 28 2013 08:16 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:13 Mouzone wrote:
So when's the next major tournament?


GSL is still ongoing and so is WCS. In theory, it doesn't get more major than that.


True, but I meant like the next offline weekend event'ish.


Looks to be all the way in June with DreamHack Summer. Also notable in June, E-Sport SM and IeSF. :s
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 27 2013 23:17 GMT
#10807
On April 28 2013 08:09 Lorning wrote:
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On April 28 2013 08:08 StarStruck wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:05 Lorning wrote:
[image loading]

Leenock trending


You know those trends work very similar to how YouTube does their suggested videos per user? ._. I actually find it weird that DH isn't on there.


Strange, cause im not even spanish/ SA


That's some funky list then you got then.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
April 27 2013 23:17 GMT
#10808
On April 28 2013 08:14 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;

Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S.


Yes
Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL
Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round.


Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day.

So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process.


Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance?


Who's saying he's better? o-O

Leenock and Life have proven themselves time and time again as being top level zerg artists. Have you seen Leenock's playbook (he actually keeps a diary)? Leenock is a top level Zerg man wth man. Are you trying to say he isn't? Frig these guys even go back and forth when they play one another.


The guy who said "Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet"? I quoted him, it shouldn't be very hard to find.
BW forever || Thall
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
April 27 2013 23:17 GMT
#10809
On April 28 2013 08:12 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Nerf spinewalls #2013
" Champagne bottles #2013

All in all, Leenock played really well. But those damn spine walls, I will be ranting and fuming for days over it.
Nevermind the fact that Leenock lost 40lings and by the time Nani walked up the ramp and to the other side of the spine wall there was another 40


It's just sadly how the matchup works in SC2.

If Protoss isn't trying to win with one big attack that is all or nothing, then... actually there isn't really much of an alternative to how Protoss works.

Protoss strong with all ins and early game shenanigans. Zerg (against P) wins by defending against said all ins and early game shenanigans.

Protoss matchups are kind of unfun because most of it just consists of winning with just one big attack (and that means Zerg just needs to invest into defending that one attack to win).

Bring back Reavers (and Mutalisk with similar control from BW) !

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Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 23:18:43
April 27 2013 23:17 GMT
#10810
On April 28 2013 08:10 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;

Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S.


Yes
Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL
Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round.


Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day.

So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process.


Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance?

Fanboys, anyone who says someone is the best anything is usually fanboying unless it is an era of clear dominance like Flash/JD/others had. MVP had an era like that as well. I don't think anyone would say the same for Leenock.


If I was a fanboy I'd be agreeing with the nugget in the last few pages who was calling for Terran buffs.
Sorry for appreciating world class play and all that even if they don't play my race, must be biased in the future.

Edit: I wasn't saying he was better, I was just going by the persons logic by that because he lost in ro32 he must be irrelevant to the zergs who advanced.
xzcute
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada4 Posts
April 27 2013 23:17 GMT
#10811
Epic final ! Congratz to Leenock
"No Pain...No Gain..."
WhX
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany778 Posts
April 27 2013 23:18 GMT
#10812
On April 28 2013 08:14 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;

Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S.


Yes
Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL
Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round.


Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day.

So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process.


Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance?


Who's saying he's better? o-O

Leenock and Life have proven themselves time and time again as being top level zerg artists. Have you seen Leenock's playbook (he actually keeps a diary)? Leenock is a top level Zerg man wth man. Are you trying to say he isn't? Frig these guys even go back and forth when they play one another.


Agreed. Both of 'em play amazingly well and deserve the credit they get. No need to argue who's ultimately better than the other, especially when they don't play in the same tournament.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 23:19:30
April 27 2013 23:18 GMT
#10813
balance is very good. zvz needs a tweak tho

p matchups still kinda zzz
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
April 27 2013 23:19 GMT
#10814
On April 28 2013 08:16 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:13 MuseMike wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:12 TimENT wrote:
Has there been a tournament since the release of HotS where the Z didn't win? Lmao

IEM but that was like 2-3 days before release. In all honesty there haven't been many tourneys.

no IEM was even before release, there were 2 tours after release both won by zergs when zergs are considered UP ,this really reminds me of WOL beginning GSL OPEN 1 and 2 won by fruitdealer and creator of the universe


Yes Zergs have definitely adapted to the widow mine, medivacs drops, and Protoss imba air is rarely seen against Zergs anymore
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 23:19:28
April 27 2013 23:19 GMT
#10815
On April 28 2013 08:16 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:13 MuseMike wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:12 TimENT wrote:
Has there been a tournament since the release of HotS where the Z didn't win? Lmao

IEM but that was like 2-3 days before release. In all honesty there haven't been many tourneys.

no IEM was even before release, there were 2 tours after release both won by zergs when zergs are considered UP ,this really reminds me of WOL beginning GSL OPEN 1 and 2 won by fruitdealer and creator of the universe

well Leenock does grow up to be NesTea, hopefully Life doesn't grow up to be Fruitdealer
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MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
April 27 2013 23:19 GMT
#10816
On April 28 2013 08:15 rpgalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:49 Z-BosoN wrote:
man, I was expecting more out of this last game.. kind of a let-down he chose to go for an easy finish with the 2-base all in

Some people just don't get how stupid it is for protoss to secure more bases on some maps....

This is what I have been saying. Neo Planet S and Whirlwind are really tough. Akilon isn't so bad if you do a decent 3 base all-in, but I don't see Toss every doing what Leenock did and take 5-7 bases on that map.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 27 2013 23:19 GMT
#10817
Just remembered this tournament pushed Leenock over 200k winnings, he is the 6th player to earn over $200,000 from Starcraft 2 tournaments. He also passed DRG for now but they're very close.

http://www.sc2earnings.com/
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
April 27 2013 23:20 GMT
#10818
On April 28 2013 08:18 rift wrote:
balance is very good. zvz needs a tweak tho

yeah i agree, mayb nerf medi boost little bit like taking 30%more dmg while boostin
yo
trudodyr
Profile Joined March 2011
182 Posts
April 27 2013 23:20 GMT
#10819
On April 28 2013 08:11 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:10 trudodyr wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:06 BlackCompany wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:03 BlackCompany wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:00 BlackCompany wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:00 kafkaesque wrote:
Man, every Dreamhack is the best Dreamhack ever...


THis! You always think it can't get better.. but then the next one is!

Not really. Lack of Bo5s was quite disappointing... They had enough downtime too, imo. Still it was quite good especially with Naniwa doing so well.


Well might be because my memory is quite bad, can't rememmber that much about last dreamhack well bo5 should have started in the semis atleast i guess, your right. for watching at home i personally don't mind a little downtime though, so i can do some other things and come back when the games start. + the DJ was amazing during downtime :D


For their regular events they do Bo3 until finals which are Bo5.

Last season's Winter finale was Bo5 from Ro12 to Ro4 with Bo7 finals.


Well if they expand to bo5 quarter/semis and bo7 finals for their regular events they would need an additional day probably, guess thats why they keep it shorter

There was quite a bit of idle time between games today, and with NASL they could have had another stream for longer (maybe up until the semis). Who knows what their reasons for the Bo3 decisions are, but "time" and "game coverage" don't seem very convincing.


Some Bo3's were awfully short. What if they went the full 3 games taking 40min a pop. Idle time is better than delay's for the organisers.

That's true. I still think they could have fit more Bo5 rounds in there with more games on NASL, but then again there's also the need for commercials and sponsor exposure (which was thankfully low-key, btw). It just feels that by going down the Bo3 route, they're not only devaluating the most interesting part of any tournament (the playoffs), but also making the Dreamhack event appear smaller than it actually is.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 27 2013 23:20 GMT
#10820
On April 28 2013 08:17 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 08:14 StarStruck wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:08 Rostam wrote:
On April 28 2013 08:00 Mackus wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:57 12D3 wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:50 Mackus wrote:
So what did we learn this tournament;

Dreamhack is still the best tournament organiser out there (Hi Blizzard)
Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet at this moment
Nani could probably still cut it in the later rounds in Code S.


Yes
Leenock didn't even make it out of the R032 in the current GSL
Nani could be in Code S, but not in the later rounds. As I said, Leenock got bounced in the first round.


Leenock did not get "bounced" he just sucked with his build order choices, everyone's entitled to a shit day.

So good that a shit day consists of beating Life in the process.


Okay, but how does winning this tournament prove he's better than Life? Or any of the other top Korean zergs who weren't in attendance?


Who's saying he's better? o-O

Leenock and Life have proven themselves time and time again as being top level zerg artists. Have you seen Leenock's playbook (he actually keeps a diary)? Leenock is a top level Zerg man wth man. Are you trying to say he isn't? Frig these guys even go back and forth when they play one another.


The guy who said "Leenock is prob the best Zerg on the planet"? I quoted him, it shouldn't be very hard to find.


I saw that but notice the probably and good thing we don't look at results from one tournament alone? Same rule applies to NaNiwa. Stop grasping at straws.
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