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Poor Geoff, the twitch chat shows the worst in human beings. As usual 
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Drunkenboi looks a crap player who will die to any player who can take the game past 15 mins. I feel sorry for Incontrol losing to him
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On April 22 2013 04:31 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:26 farvacola wrote:On April 22 2013 04:22 Sissors wrote:On April 22 2013 04:18 farvacola wrote:On April 22 2013 04:15 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:10 Zarahtra wrote:On April 22 2013 04:07 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:06 Zarahtra wrote:On April 22 2013 04:04 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:03 Sissors wrote:
If drunkenboy would have bothered to wall his third he would have had so much more resources.
@Bronze, quite frankly hellbat drops would have been a waste of resources, too many stalkers placed to intercept drops. You're probably right, but you have to play the strategies that got you there. You don't try and reinvent yourself. Well I mean this is the problem with being one-dimensional player. Incontrol seemed to be just hard countering Drunken's playstyle and banking on better lategame. Yep. It is also the problem with a cheesy playstyle. Your opponent can do one or two little things and suddenly you're forced to play standard and that is where you get exposed. Still, it is really fun to watch and it is interesting because it isn't the same old macro game every time. Yup, while I'm a pretty passive player and hate all these oracle rushes, reaper allins, roach rushes etc etc, they make the game so much better than the crap state of NR15 by end of WoL. Well, I play the opposite way that you play, but WOL ended up stale because Blizzard and map makers went to far in hurting all-ins and refused to accept that it should require skill to hold all-ins. HOTS will end up in an even worse state with things like Photon Overcharge and Widow Mines unforunately. This makes no sense to me....making all-ins easier to deal with prolongs games, expands windows for displays of non-game-ending skill, and removes a lot of opportunities for lesser skilled players to knock out better players with dice rolls. Then just start with 3 saturated bases and +2/+2 finished. Because that is effectively what the NR15 style is. That might be longer games, but there isn't more to do that in an average all-in way too often: one fight which decides all, only we just had to be bored for 15 minutes first. And tbh a vast majority of 'lesser skilled players' who beat better players is because the 'better players' just played way too greedy. Making all-ins more difficult to pull off and making them impossible are not the same thing. And Bronzeknee, you can say that photon overcharge takes no skill, but that is simply untrue. Making sure your core is ready and full of energy, targeting down medivacs with the overcharge, and scouting the attack all need to be done. That OP photon overcharge isn't so useful when your core is in your main while your front door expansion is getting dropped. If you are really defending Terran 1 base all ins, you are crying to the wrong Zerg. So you build an early MSC, and then press one button to activate Photon Overcharge (I'm talking about all the early bio pressure pre-Medivac in WOL). Wow tons of skill compared to FF, Stalker, Zealot micro and splitting units... No decent Protoss player was having huge difficulty with any Terran all-in that Photon Overcharge really helps with (2 base all-ins have so many units that the Nexus Cannon doesn't really help with). The point of Photon Overcharge was to allow Protoss players to expand in PvP. And it doesn't do that job, 1 basing is still king.
If no decent Protoss player was having trouble with Terran all-ins, than why are you complaining about an ability via it's utility against Terran all-ins? Are you upset you can't beat trash Protoss with 1 base all ins or something? And saying "the point of photon overcharge" is silly, an ability implemented in a game with 3 races is going to be designed with all match-ups in mind, that's called balance.
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On April 22 2013 04:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:32 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:30 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 04:26 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:24 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:18 farvacola wrote:On April 22 2013 04:15 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:10 Zarahtra wrote:On April 22 2013 04:07 BronzeKnee wrote:
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Yep. It is also the problem with a cheesy playstyle. Your opponent can do one or two little things and suddenly you're forced to play standard and that is where you get exposed.
Still, it is really fun to watch and it is interesting because it isn't the same old macro game every time. Yup, while I'm a pretty passive player and hate all these oracle rushes, reaper allins, roach rushes etc etc, they make the game so much better than the crap state of NR15 by end of WoL. Well, I play the opposite way that you play, but WOL ended up stale because Blizzard and map makers went to far in hurting all-ins and refused to accept that it should require skill to hold all-ins. HOTS will end up in an even worse state with things like Photon Overcharge and Widow Mines unforunately. This makes no sense to me....making all-ins easier to deal with prolongs games, expands windows for displays of non-game-ending skill, and removes a lot of opportunities for lesser skilled players to knock out better players with dice rolls. Photon Overcharge doesn't take any skill, which is why it is bad. And it goes too far, denying almost all Terran 1 base all-ins. You mean all those amazing builds that involve building a ton of marines and some other crap and charging cross map? I think we are better off without those, personally. Also, build bunker and slap units into bunker is not the paragon of skill either. Well, I got to Masters in WOL being able to hold all types of Terran all-ins. It is difficult and it takes skill. And it is enjoyable to hold a Terran all-in as Protoss. Photon Overcharge makes the game boring for me. I hated WOL PvT, 15 minutes of build up for 30 seconds of action decided by HT and Ghost micro. The guy above is right, if you don't want viable 1 base plays, then just start the game with everyone on two bases and a basic infrastructure. There are still one base timings that are out there and I am sure people will find them. Like everything else, it will take time. The overcharge means that people can't just walk across the map with a mob of marines and hope that the protoss doesn't have enough to hold them off, which I am ok with. As I said, no good player was having issues with the mob of Marines. It took skill. Now it doesn't. And no, Photon Overcharge counters all early 1 base Terran play that isn't worker harass. It is way too strong. Well the game I am watching on stream is showing its not really a problem. Unless you are better than incontrol, which I am not sure.
Didn't know that drunkenboi was doing an all-in and not worker harass.
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On April 22 2013 04:36 govie wrote:Babyknight is a real asset to there casting tho.. it really makes the casting bit better 
Totally agree (:
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Aww too bad iNcontroL
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man, he played really bad in that final game
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On April 22 2013 04:36 Topdoller wrote:
Drunkenboi looks a crap player who will die to any player who can take the game past 15 mins. I feel sorry for Incontrol losing to him
Are you not entertained?
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On April 22 2013 04:36 ACrow wrote:Poor Geoff, the twitch chat shows the worst in human beings. As usual
I don't think he really cares at this point, after taking so much you eventually just stop caring what others think about you for the most part
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iNcontrol isn't a competitor, so I don't see the big deal. He is trying out MLG, but we all know he or his management did not expect him to qualify. He focuses on a lot of other things at EG.
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On April 22 2013 04:36 Topdoller wrote:
Drunkenboi looks a crap player who will die to any player who can take the game past 15 mins. I feel sorry for Incontrol losing to him
why? incontrol gets paid money to do this, drunkboi is just some abusive amateur. it was up to incontrol to show that. and he failed pretty badly at it.
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On April 22 2013 04:37 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:35 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 04:32 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:30 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 04:26 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:24 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 04:23 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:18 farvacola wrote:On April 22 2013 04:15 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:10 Zarahtra wrote:
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Yup, while I'm a pretty passive player and hate all these oracle rushes, reaper allins, roach rushes etc etc, they make the game so much better than the crap state of NR15 by end of WoL. Well, I play the opposite way that you play, but WOL ended up stale because Blizzard and map makers went to far in hurting all-ins and refused to accept that it should require skill to hold all-ins. HOTS will end up in an even worse state with things like Photon Overcharge and Widow Mines unforunately. This makes no sense to me....making all-ins easier to deal with prolongs games, expands windows for displays of non-game-ending skill, and removes a lot of opportunities for lesser skilled players to knock out better players with dice rolls. Photon Overcharge doesn't take any skill, which is why it is bad. And it goes too far, denying almost all Terran 1 base all-ins. You mean all those amazing builds that involve building a ton of marines and some other crap and charging cross map? I think we are better off without those, personally. Also, build bunker and slap units into bunker is not the paragon of skill either. Well, I got to Masters in WOL being able to hold all types of Terran all-ins. It is difficult and it takes skill. And it is enjoyable to hold a Terran all-in as Protoss. Photon Overcharge makes the game boring for me. I hated WOL PvT, 15 minutes of build up for 30 seconds of action decided by HT and Ghost micro. The guy above is right, if you don't want viable 1 base plays, then just start the game with everyone on two bases and a basic infrastructure. There are still one base timings that are out there and I am sure people will find them. Like everything else, it will take time. The overcharge means that people can't just walk across the map with a mob of marines and hope that the protoss doesn't have enough to hold them off, which I am ok with. As I said, no good player was having issues with the mob of Marines. It took skill. Now it doesn't. And no, Photon Overcharge counters all early 1 base Terran play that isn't worker harass. It is way too strong. Well the game I am watching on stream is showing its not really a problem. Unless you are better than incontrol, which I am not sure. Didn't know that drunkenboi was doing an all-in and not worker harass.
He doesn't know what he is talking about.
On April 22 2013 04:36 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:31 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:26 farvacola wrote:On April 22 2013 04:22 Sissors wrote:On April 22 2013 04:18 farvacola wrote:On April 22 2013 04:15 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:10 Zarahtra wrote:On April 22 2013 04:07 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:06 Zarahtra wrote:On April 22 2013 04:04 BronzeKnee wrote:
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You're probably right, but you have to play the strategies that got you there. You don't try and reinvent yourself.
Well I mean this is the problem with being one-dimensional player. Incontrol seemed to be just hard countering Drunken's playstyle and banking on better lategame. Yep. It is also the problem with a cheesy playstyle. Your opponent can do one or two little things and suddenly you're forced to play standard and that is where you get exposed. Still, it is really fun to watch and it is interesting because it isn't the same old macro game every time. Yup, while I'm a pretty passive player and hate all these oracle rushes, reaper allins, roach rushes etc etc, they make the game so much better than the crap state of NR15 by end of WoL. Well, I play the opposite way that you play, but WOL ended up stale because Blizzard and map makers went to far in hurting all-ins and refused to accept that it should require skill to hold all-ins. HOTS will end up in an even worse state with things like Photon Overcharge and Widow Mines unforunately. This makes no sense to me....making all-ins easier to deal with prolongs games, expands windows for displays of non-game-ending skill, and removes a lot of opportunities for lesser skilled players to knock out better players with dice rolls. Then just start with 3 saturated bases and +2/+2 finished. Because that is effectively what the NR15 style is. That might be longer games, but there isn't more to do that in an average all-in way too often: one fight which decides all, only we just had to be bored for 15 minutes first. And tbh a vast majority of 'lesser skilled players' who beat better players is because the 'better players' just played way too greedy. Making all-ins more difficult to pull off and making them impossible are not the same thing. And Bronzeknee, you can say that photon overcharge takes no skill, but that is simply untrue. Making sure your core is ready and full of energy, targeting down medivacs with the overcharge, and scouting the attack all need to be done. That OP photon overcharge isn't so useful when your core is in your main while your front door expansion is getting dropped. If you are really defending Terran 1 base all ins, you are crying to the wrong Zerg. So you build an early MSC, and then press one button to activate Photon Overcharge (I'm talking about all the early bio pressure pre-Medivac in WOL). Wow tons of skill compared to FF, Stalker, Zealot micro and splitting units... No decent Protoss player was having huge difficulty with any Terran all-in that Photon Overcharge really helps with (2 base all-ins have so many units that the Nexus Cannon doesn't really help with). The point of Photon Overcharge was to allow Protoss players to expand in PvP. And it doesn't do that job, 1 basing is still king. If no decent Protoss player was having trouble with Terran all-ins, than why are you complaining about an ability via it's utility against Terran all-ins? Are you upset you can't beat trash Protoss with 1 base all ins or something? And saying "the point of photon overcharge" is silly, an ability implemented in a game with 3 races is going to be designed with all match-ups in mind, that's called balance.
Because I enjoy having fun, not just winning. Holding early Terran all-ins was fun. Now it is boring.
There is now less variety in PvT, which is boring.
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On April 22 2013 04:36 Topdoller wrote:
Drunkenboi looks a crap player who will die to any player who can take the game past 15 mins. I feel sorry for Incontrol losing to him
Drunkenboi looked like he complete outplayed Incontrol.
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Well, that made Terran drops look OP.
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On April 22 2013 04:37 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:36 Topdoller wrote:
Drunkenboi looks a crap player who will die to any player who can take the game past 15 mins. I feel sorry for Incontrol losing to him Drunkenboi looked like he complete outplayed Incontrol.
and so what does that say about incontrol?
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On April 22 2013 04:36 Topdoller wrote:
Drunkenboi looks a crap player who will die to any player who can take the game past 15 mins. I feel sorry for Incontrol losing to him
Lol... How can you be so sure? After all, that's how MarineKing and MC started out when WoL was still young. 
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Shit, I'll watch the Nony games.
I like Tyler :D
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On April 22 2013 04:26 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On April 22 2013 04:22 DueleR wrote:On April 22 2013 04:20 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Drunkenboi is actually doing some really, really cool stuff. Color me impressed. I thought he was going to go crappy marine micro into die because he's facing a pro, but as it turns out he looks like a ROOT recruit or something. Lol, Drunkenboi has been top 5-10 NA ladder for a while now (and he's on FXO NA). Never heard of him. He's just spamming Hellbat drops on the ladder, MarineKing beta-style. Minus the skill and the hipster glasses.
He is doing some really freaking cool positioning tricks, although I will admit that he'd be a lot better if he could actually control 1 1/2, maybe two groups of units at once.
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Both players are fun to watch.. drunkenboi was better over 3 games.. he did pretty wel.
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