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United States97277 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:45 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:44 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 Dodgin wrote:
Action got two BYE's
He has no excuse to not qualify. Yeah he does... He's a KT player not called Flash. Now now.. there's a chance.. Crazy-hydra is somehow a Code S player. Just that... KT has gone 1-32 that's all... Now that I think about it, that number makes no sense. Didn't Barracks get to the finals before going down 1-2?
He's counting Qualifications - Attempts
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ganzi should 888 and pray to Flash.
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On April 11 2013 15:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:42 felisconcolori wrote:
Just curious, judging from the way the brackets are handled... are the qualifiers open to anyone that wants to try? For example, could someone just walk in and sign up and then wind up in Code A? If you are Korean there is a Master league point cutoff you have to be above Not true. I've Google Translated the Korean qualifier announcement and the recent ones are pretty clearly the same as the English ones, including the line that says anyone can sign up.
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On April 11 2013 15:40 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:33 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:29 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:23 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:16 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:11 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:06 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 14:57 Veldril wrote:On April 11 2013 14:55 Maghetti wrote:
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kespa b teamers have been kicking the shit out of kespa a teamers...its really confusing... Considering it a pass of age. Maybe it is time that many b teamers become better than a teamers? That is not it. If they were better they would be the a teamers and be getting pro league play time. There are more indications that im willing to try to explain that free is better than kop and herO is better than ALBM. Win rates, results, play time, the way their play looks, competition faced, etc etc etc. Well, anyone can lose or win or a bad or good day, respectively. When you look at the list of those who qualified, you can only pick out a minority who qualified despite being of significantly lesser skill. Most of the players who qualified have the skill to survive in Code A. It's selection bias that makes us feel that b teamers are dominating. I just think there are serious problems with the code b qualifier system. Although the great majority of people who advance can compete in code a far too often you have lesser players beating better players. When gsl champion quality players have an issue getting through the qualifiers you know there is a problem. I'm not even sure what the problem is, perhaps the fact they dont give people time to know who they are facing, map pool...I dont know but it is something. It's an incredibly straightforward system. Tournament style, best player on the day wins. There are no excuses for these "better" players losing; it is their fault, not the system's. The gsl in code a and code s have extensive systems to allow the better player to win. Win once in code a and you are in the gsl next season no matter what. You know your opponents ahead of time, a shot in the up and downs if they lose. Code s has groups with multiple best of 3s, top 8 stay in code s, and so on. Code b the brackets are made on the spot, no prepare time for specific opponents, simple best of 3 format is far weakest at producing the best players consistently than all the rest of the gsl. Code A and S have a set group of players. Code B is an open qualifier. So the point about Code A and S having a system to keep players in isn't relevant. Best of 3 isn't ideal, obviously, but you have to consider time constraints, man power, and player fatigue. I doubt the players want to play 3, maybe 4 Bo5s or 7s just to get into Code A. It would also take forever to finish the qualifiers. Almost all qualifiers, even from BW days, are held in this manner, maybe with minor changes here and there. Upsets happen. Even at his peak Bisu constantly bombed out of OSL early or in the qualifiers. It's not strange at all. The Bisu point just proves its a flaw in the system. I feel there must be some creative solution when the gsl is one giant creative system to improve this some what. Letting people know their brackets a week in advance, for example would help. The purpose of open qualifiers is to allow lesser known players and players who aren't deemed Top players a shot at making it to the big time. A lot of the best players now surfaced from Code B and other qualifiers, beating players they shouldn't have beaten. Guess what, they beat them and have now proven themselves to be better, their first step being Code B. If you want a system that ensures that consensus "best" players ALWAYS advance, then you want a tournament with only invites. This kind of circlejerk is terrible for the scene because it is stagnant.
I have no idea what invites has to do with getting the best players...invites typically means getting the 'not' best players.
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United States97277 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:47 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 11 2013 15:42 felisconcolori wrote:
Just curious, judging from the way the brackets are handled... are the qualifiers open to anyone that wants to try? For example, could someone just walk in and sign up and then wind up in Code A? If you are Korean there is a Master league point cutoff you have to be above Not true. I've Google Translated the Korean qualifier announcement and the recent ones are pretty clearly the same as the English ones, including the line that says anyone can sign up.
This was in their announcement, though
Priority for registration will be given to these players in sequential order:
1. ESF Players
2. KeSPA Players
3. Masters league players with at least 200 points (by April 1st, 12:00 PM KST)
I guess anyone can sign up and you can get pushed out by priority. I suppose it doesnt say restricted
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Unless the names in hangul mean something, I'm pretty sure Stork is basically given Code A with these brackets.
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On April 11 2013 15:45 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:44 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 Dodgin wrote:
Action got two BYE's
He has no excuse to not qualify. Yeah he does... He's a KT player not called Flash. Now now.. there's a chance.. Crazy-hydra is somehow a Code S player. Just that... KT has gone 1-32 that's all... Now that I think about it, that number makes no sense. Didn't Barracks get to the finals before going down 1-2?
No stuchiu
the 1-32 record indicates the record of KT players trying to get to Code A, not necessarily their record in the preliminary games itself
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If golden name is in gold banner = autowin!
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what happened with ganzi and golden game 1? golden busted him?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 11 2013 15:44 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 Dodgin wrote:
Action got two BYE's
He has no excuse to not qualify. Yeah he does... He's a KT player not called Flash. Now now.. there's a chance.. Crazy-hydra is somehow a Code S player. Just that... KT has gone 1-32 that's all... Now that I think about it, that number makes no sense. Didn't Barracks get to the finals before going down 1-2? He's counting Qualifications - Attempts
Wow that stat is brutal then.
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priority, but brackets never fill so basically everyone can sign up
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For afternoon, I'm hoping for:
I - Dream or Tassadar or Zero or CrazyMoving
J - Hydra or GGandol (he returns!)
K - Genius
L - Inca
M - Shine or Sparta
N - Reality or Hwansin
O - Lucky
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On April 11 2013 15:48 Tachion wrote:
what happened with ganzi and golden game 1? golden busted him?
wasnt even remotely close
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:47 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:40 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:33 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:29 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:23 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:16 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:11 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:06 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 14:57 Veldril wrote:
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Considering it a pass of age. Maybe it is time that many b teamers become better than a teamers? That is not it. If they were better they would be the a teamers and be getting pro league play time. There are more indications that im willing to try to explain that free is better than kop and herO is better than ALBM. Win rates, results, play time, the way their play looks, competition faced, etc etc etc. Well, anyone can lose or win or a bad or good day, respectively. When you look at the list of those who qualified, you can only pick out a minority who qualified despite being of significantly lesser skill. Most of the players who qualified have the skill to survive in Code A. It's selection bias that makes us feel that b teamers are dominating. I just think there are serious problems with the code b qualifier system. Although the great majority of people who advance can compete in code a far too often you have lesser players beating better players. When gsl champion quality players have an issue getting through the qualifiers you know there is a problem. I'm not even sure what the problem is, perhaps the fact they dont give people time to know who they are facing, map pool...I dont know but it is something. It's an incredibly straightforward system. Tournament style, best player on the day wins. There are no excuses for these "better" players losing; it is their fault, not the system's. The gsl in code a and code s have extensive systems to allow the better player to win. Win once in code a and you are in the gsl next season no matter what. You know your opponents ahead of time, a shot in the up and downs if they lose. Code s has groups with multiple best of 3s, top 8 stay in code s, and so on. Code b the brackets are made on the spot, no prepare time for specific opponents, simple best of 3 format is far weakest at producing the best players consistently than all the rest of the gsl. Code A and S have a set group of players. Code B is an open qualifier. So the point about Code A and S having a system to keep players in isn't relevant. Best of 3 isn't ideal, obviously, but you have to consider time constraints, man power, and player fatigue. I doubt the players want to play 3, maybe 4 Bo5s or 7s just to get into Code A. It would also take forever to finish the qualifiers. Almost all qualifiers, even from BW days, are held in this manner, maybe with minor changes here and there. Upsets happen. Even at his peak Bisu constantly bombed out of OSL early or in the qualifiers. It's not strange at all. The Bisu point just proves its a flaw in the system. I feel there must be some creative solution when the gsl is one giant creative system to improve this some what. Letting people know their brackets a week in advance, for example would help. The purpose of open qualifiers is to allow lesser known players and players who aren't deemed Top players a shot at making it to the big time. A lot of the best players now surfaced from Code B and other qualifiers, beating players they shouldn't have beaten. Guess what, they beat them and have now proven themselves to be better, their first step being Code B. If you want a system that ensures that consensus "best" players ALWAYS advance, then you want a tournament with only invites. This kind of circlejerk is terrible for the scene because it is stagnant. I have no idea what invites has to do with getting the best players...invites typically means getting the 'not' best players.
Step 1: Look at the players with the best win rates
Step 2: Invite them all
Step 3: Look at the hottest up and coming players
Step 4: Invite them all
All qualifiers will have shocks no matter what kind of open bracket system you have. Be glad this isn't single elim March Madness style.
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On April 11 2013 15:48 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 11 2013 15:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 11 2013 15:44 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 Dodgin wrote:
Action got two BYE's
He has no excuse to not qualify. Yeah he does... He's a KT player not called Flash. Now now.. there's a chance.. Crazy-hydra is somehow a Code S player. Just that... KT has gone 1-32 that's all... Now that I think about it, that number makes no sense. Didn't Barracks get to the finals before going down 1-2? He's counting Qualifications - Attempts Wow that stat is brutal then.
I don't think so, looks like KT 
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On April 11 2013 15:48 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 11 2013 15:44 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 Dodgin wrote:
Action got two BYE's
He has no excuse to not qualify. Yeah he does... He's a KT player not called Flash. Now now.. there's a chance.. Crazy-hydra is somehow a Code S player. Just that... KT has gone 1-32 that's all... Now that I think about it, that number makes no sense. Didn't Barracks get to the finals before going down 1-2? No stuchiu the 1-32 record indicates the record of KT players trying to get to Code A, not necessarily their record in the preliminary games itself
Shouldn't it be 2 then, since both Crazy-Hydra and Flash made it through the prelims?
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On April 11 2013 15:48 Megiddosc wrote:
Unless the names in hangul mean something, I'm pretty sure Stork is basically given Code A with these brackets.
That's what we thought about Bisu too,
but like free..
like zero....
like Stats....(although KT)
like light...
like herO...
they Choke.
They choke HARD.
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United States97277 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:48 Megiddosc wrote:
Unless the names in hangul mean something, I'm pretty sure Stork is basically given Code A with these brackets.
InCa gonna DT rush stork
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United States97277 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:50 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:48 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 11 2013 15:44 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 Dodgin wrote:
Action got two BYE's
He has no excuse to not qualify. Yeah he does... He's a KT player not called Flash. Now now.. there's a chance.. Crazy-hydra is somehow a Code S player. Just that... KT has gone 1-32 that's all... Now that I think about it, that number makes no sense. Didn't Barracks get to the finals before going down 1-2? No stuchiu the 1-32 record indicates the record of KT players trying to get to Code A, not necessarily their record in the preliminary games itself Shouldn't it be 2 then, since both Crazy-Hydra and Flash made it through the prelims?
It's for all KT players not named Flash. he detailed it earlier in the thread
On April 11 2013 13:15 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 13:11 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 13:10 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 13:08 Kieofire wrote:On April 11 2013 13:07 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 13:06 lichter wrote:
I hope Line 6pools his way into Code S again Barracks a terrible player. I wouldnt be surprised. Nope, Barracks won against Line. Its okay, he'll lose vs Byul because he's a KT terran and his name isnt Flash. Your pessimism makes me sad Hoejja (0/3) Acacia (0/3) Stats (0/3) Motive (0/3) Mind (0/3) Hitman (0/2) Crazy-hydra (1/2) Action (0/2) Barracks (0/2) Wooki (0/2) Myungsik (0/3) Penguin(0/3) Going 1-31 in the qualifiers as the supporting cast for Flash is pretty sad.
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On April 11 2013 15:50 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:48 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 11 2013 15:44 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 Dodgin wrote:
Action got two BYE's
He has no excuse to not qualify. Yeah he does... He's a KT player not called Flash. Now now.. there's a chance.. Crazy-hydra is somehow a Code S player. Just that... KT has gone 1-32 that's all... Now that I think about it, that number makes no sense. Didn't Barracks get to the finals before going down 1-2? No stuchiu the 1-32 record indicates the record of KT players trying to get to Code A, not necessarily their record in the preliminary games itself Shouldn't it be 2 then, since both Crazy-Hydra and Flash made it through the prelims?
I'm discounting Flash.
He should have his own separate record and stats.
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