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On April 11 2013 15:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:47 bduddy wrote:On April 11 2013 15:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 11 2013 15:42 felisconcolori wrote:
Just curious, judging from the way the brackets are handled... are the qualifiers open to anyone that wants to try? For example, could someone just walk in and sign up and then wind up in Code A? If you are Korean there is a Master league point cutoff you have to be above Not true. I've Google Translated the Korean qualifier announcement and the recent ones are pretty clearly the same as the English ones, including the line that says anyone can sign up. This was in their announcement, though Show nested quote +
Priority for registration will be given to these players in sequential order:
1. ESF Players
2. KeSPA Players
3. Masters league players with at least 200 points (by April 1st, 12:00 PM KST)
I guess anyone can sign up and you can get pushed out by priority. I suppose it doesnt say restricted The line right after what you posted:
After these players have been sorted, anyone will be able to sign up for the Code A qualifiers for a total number of 576 players. (First-come, first-served basis starting from March 29th, 12:00PM KST) Each bracket could hold up to 32 players, so the qualifiers haven't even been half full for a long time. And yes, I just checked again and the most recent Korean announcement is the same.
http://kr.gomtv.net/gsl/community/index.gom?submod=1010&m=4&mbid=10002&mode=view&msgid=14641&p=11
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wonder how long it will take terrans to stop building early hellions and just go hellbats medivac immediately, probably code s terrans will do so soon
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Am I reading right that the person below Eve in Group J is named the Beer Master?
If so, I want that dude to take the group.
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On April 11 2013 15:50 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:47 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:33 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:29 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:23 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:16 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:11 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:06 Maghetti wrote:
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That is not it. If they were better they would be the a teamers and be getting pro league play time. There are more indications that im willing to try to explain that free is better than kop and herO is better than ALBM. Win rates, results, play time, the way their play looks, competition faced, etc etc etc. Well, anyone can lose or win or a bad or good day, respectively. When you look at the list of those who qualified, you can only pick out a minority who qualified despite being of significantly lesser skill. Most of the players who qualified have the skill to survive in Code A. It's selection bias that makes us feel that b teamers are dominating. I just think there are serious problems with the code b qualifier system. Although the great majority of people who advance can compete in code a far too often you have lesser players beating better players. When gsl champion quality players have an issue getting through the qualifiers you know there is a problem. I'm not even sure what the problem is, perhaps the fact they dont give people time to know who they are facing, map pool...I dont know but it is something. It's an incredibly straightforward system. Tournament style, best player on the day wins. There are no excuses for these "better" players losing; it is their fault, not the system's. The gsl in code a and code s have extensive systems to allow the better player to win. Win once in code a and you are in the gsl next season no matter what. You know your opponents ahead of time, a shot in the up and downs if they lose. Code s has groups with multiple best of 3s, top 8 stay in code s, and so on. Code b the brackets are made on the spot, no prepare time for specific opponents, simple best of 3 format is far weakest at producing the best players consistently than all the rest of the gsl. Code A and S have a set group of players. Code B is an open qualifier. So the point about Code A and S having a system to keep players in isn't relevant. Best of 3 isn't ideal, obviously, but you have to consider time constraints, man power, and player fatigue. I doubt the players want to play 3, maybe 4 Bo5s or 7s just to get into Code A. It would also take forever to finish the qualifiers. Almost all qualifiers, even from BW days, are held in this manner, maybe with minor changes here and there. Upsets happen. Even at his peak Bisu constantly bombed out of OSL early or in the qualifiers. It's not strange at all. The Bisu point just proves its a flaw in the system. I feel there must be some creative solution when the gsl is one giant creative system to improve this some what. Letting people know their brackets a week in advance, for example would help. The purpose of open qualifiers is to allow lesser known players and players who aren't deemed Top players a shot at making it to the big time. A lot of the best players now surfaced from Code B and other qualifiers, beating players they shouldn't have beaten. Guess what, they beat them and have now proven themselves to be better, their first step being Code B. If you want a system that ensures that consensus "best" players ALWAYS advance, then you want a tournament with only invites. This kind of circlejerk is terrible for the scene because it is stagnant. I have no idea what invites has to do with getting the best players...invites typically means getting the 'not' best players. Step 1: Look at the players with the best win rates Step 2: Invite them all Step 3: Look at the hottest up and coming players Step 4: Invite them all All qualifiers will have shocks no matter what kind of open bracket system you have. Be glad this isn't single elim March Madness style.
Best win rates where? On ladder? In qualifiers? In tournaments? Which tournaments? Offline? Online? Proleague?
Who determines the hottest up and coming players? Artosis? Mr Chae? David Kim? Fionn? Flash?
Either we get bias and weird invites (see: WCS 2013 invites) or we get people that are playing well on the day and qualify properly. Either way, fans will cry.
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On April 11 2013 15:55 tribulator wrote:
Am I reading right that the person below Eve in Group J is named the Beer Master?
If so, I want that dude to take the group.
LOL thats exactly what I was thinking too but I thought it was silly to post.
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On April 11 2013 15:55 tribulator wrote:
Am I reading right that the person below Eve in Group J is named the Beer Master?
If so, I want that dude to take the group.
i would autopick him in fgtsl team
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United States97276 Posts
If Genius can somehow get in I'd say AZUBU actually had a really good qualifier. San, SuperNova, and VINES already in. GanZi maybe in if he can pull this off. Not bad
whelp ganzi is dead
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Doesn't 1-32 seem a little shady to anyone else? I mean Flash straight up said his coach told him to get knocked out of MLG early so he can go sight seeing.
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On April 11 2013 15:57 waylander_ wrote:
Doesn't 1-32 seem a little shady to anyone else? I mean Flash straight up said his coach told him to get knocked out of MLG early so he can go sight seeing.
Just no.
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havent seen golden play so well before
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On April 11 2013 15:57 waylander_ wrote:
Doesn't 1-32 seem a little shady to anyone else? I mean Flash straight up said his coach told him to get knocked out of MLG early so he can go sight seeing.
No. Don't read into it that much.
At worst KT puts a strong emphasis on SPL over GSL, but that's normal for KeSPA teams.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:55 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:50 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:47 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:40 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:33 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:29 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:23 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:16 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:11 lichter wrote:
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Well, anyone can lose or win or a bad or good day, respectively. When you look at the list of those who qualified, you can only pick out a minority who qualified despite being of significantly lesser skill. Most of the players who qualified have the skill to survive in Code A. It's selection bias that makes us feel that b teamers are dominating. I just think there are serious problems with the code b qualifier system. Although the great majority of people who advance can compete in code a far too often you have lesser players beating better players. When gsl champion quality players have an issue getting through the qualifiers you know there is a problem. I'm not even sure what the problem is, perhaps the fact they dont give people time to know who they are facing, map pool...I dont know but it is something. It's an incredibly straightforward system. Tournament style, best player on the day wins. There are no excuses for these "better" players losing; it is their fault, not the system's. The gsl in code a and code s have extensive systems to allow the better player to win. Win once in code a and you are in the gsl next season no matter what. You know your opponents ahead of time, a shot in the up and downs if they lose. Code s has groups with multiple best of 3s, top 8 stay in code s, and so on. Code b the brackets are made on the spot, no prepare time for specific opponents, simple best of 3 format is far weakest at producing the best players consistently than all the rest of the gsl. Code A and S have a set group of players. Code B is an open qualifier. So the point about Code A and S having a system to keep players in isn't relevant. Best of 3 isn't ideal, obviously, but you have to consider time constraints, man power, and player fatigue. I doubt the players want to play 3, maybe 4 Bo5s or 7s just to get into Code A. It would also take forever to finish the qualifiers. Almost all qualifiers, even from BW days, are held in this manner, maybe with minor changes here and there. Upsets happen. Even at his peak Bisu constantly bombed out of OSL early or in the qualifiers. It's not strange at all. The Bisu point just proves its a flaw in the system. I feel there must be some creative solution when the gsl is one giant creative system to improve this some what. Letting people know their brackets a week in advance, for example would help. The purpose of open qualifiers is to allow lesser known players and players who aren't deemed Top players a shot at making it to the big time. A lot of the best players now surfaced from Code B and other qualifiers, beating players they shouldn't have beaten. Guess what, they beat them and have now proven themselves to be better, their first step being Code B. If you want a system that ensures that consensus "best" players ALWAYS advance, then you want a tournament with only invites. This kind of circlejerk is terrible for the scene because it is stagnant. I have no idea what invites has to do with getting the best players...invites typically means getting the 'not' best players. Step 1: Look at the players with the best win rates Step 2: Invite them all Step 3: Look at the hottest up and coming players Step 4: Invite them all All qualifiers will have shocks no matter what kind of open bracket system you have. Be glad this isn't single elim March Madness style. Best win rates where? On ladder? In qualifiers? In tournaments? Which tournaments? Offline? Online? Proleague? Who determines the hottest up and coming players? Artosis? Mr Chae? David Kim? Fionn? Flash? Either we get bias and weird invites (see: WCS 2013 invites) or we get people that are playing well on the day and qualify properly. Either way, fans will cry.
Exactly. People who whine about "imperfect" systems and "better players" losing are just... ugh
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On April 11 2013 15:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:
If Genius can somehow get in I'd say AZUBU actually had a really good qualifier. San, SuperNova, and VINES already in. GanZi maybe in if he can pull this off. Not bad
If GanZi gets in they're tied with LG-IM for most qualifiers so far. If Genius gets in and there's not a big swing elsewhere they could "win"!
Maybe Inca too.[/invisibletextcolour]
EDIT: Whoops, ST at 4 now too.
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Uch, Ganzi got destroyed. Well played Golden.
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That was a bit of a stomp
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United States97276 Posts
 Dream in the semis
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what an obnoxious playstyle o.o
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Retarded shit race.. if you dont do massive damage early game you will auto lose mid game...
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EPT
