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On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it 
Gonna go to eu now?
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On April 11 2013 15:34 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:33 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:29 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:23 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:16 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:11 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:06 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 14:57 Veldril wrote:On April 11 2013 14:55 Maghetti wrote:
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kespa b teamers have been kicking the shit out of kespa a teamers...its really confusing... Considering it a pass of age. Maybe it is time that many b teamers become better than a teamers? That is not it. If they were better they would be the a teamers and be getting pro league play time. There are more indications that im willing to try to explain that free is better than kop and herO is better than ALBM. Win rates, results, play time, the way their play looks, competition faced, etc etc etc. Well, anyone can lose or win or a bad or good day, respectively. When you look at the list of those who qualified, you can only pick out a minority who qualified despite being of significantly lesser skill. Most of the players who qualified have the skill to survive in Code A. It's selection bias that makes us feel that b teamers are dominating. I just think there are serious problems with the code b qualifier system. Although the great majority of people who advance can compete in code a far too often you have lesser players beating better players. When gsl champion quality players have an issue getting through the qualifiers you know there is a problem. I'm not even sure what the problem is, perhaps the fact they dont give people time to know who they are facing, map pool...I dont know but it is something. It's an incredibly straightforward system. Tournament style, best player on the day wins. There are no excuses for these "better" players losing; it is their fault, not the system's. The gsl in code a and code s have extensive systems to allow the better player to win. Win once in code a and you are in the gsl next season no matter what. You know your opponents ahead of time, a shot in the up and downs if they lose. Code s has groups with multiple best of 3s, top 8 stay in code s, and so on. Code b the brackets are made on the spot, no prepare time for specific opponents, simple best of 3 format is far weakest at producing the best players consistently than all the rest of the gsl. Code A and S have a set group of players. Code B is an open qualifier. So the point about Code A and S having a system to keep players in isn't relevant. Best of 3 isn't ideal, obviously, but you have to consider time constraints, man power, and player fatigue. I doubt the players want to play 3, maybe 4 Bo5s or 7s just to get into Code A. It would also take forever to finish the qualifiers. Almost all qualifiers, even from BW days, are held in this manner, maybe with minor changes here and there. Upsets happen. Even at his peak Bisu constantly bombed out of OSL early or in the qualifiers. It's not strange at all. The Bisu point just proves its a flaw in the system. I feel there must be some creative solution when the gsl is one giant creative system to improve this some what. Letting people know their brackets a week in advance, for example would help. So basicly they need to give Bisu a seed because of his name ! 
He probably could have gotten one if he changed region
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On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:Gonna go to eu now?
NsHoSeo send players to tournaments
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
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On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha
wasnt he at mlg?
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On April 11 2013 15:33 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:31 bgx wrote:On April 11 2013 15:29 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:23 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:16 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:11 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:06 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 14:57 Veldril wrote:On April 11 2013 14:55 Maghetti wrote:
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kespa b teamers have been kicking the shit out of kespa a teamers...its really confusing... Considering it a pass of age. Maybe it is time that many b teamers become better than a teamers? That is not it. If they were better they would be the a teamers and be getting pro league play time. There are more indications that im willing to try to explain that free is better than kop and herO is better than ALBM. Win rates, results, play time, the way their play looks, competition faced, etc etc etc. Well, anyone can lose or win or a bad or good day, respectively. When you look at the list of those who qualified, you can only pick out a minority who qualified despite being of significantly lesser skill. Most of the players who qualified have the skill to survive in Code A. It's selection bias that makes us feel that b teamers are dominating. I just think there are serious problems with the code b qualifier system. Although the great majority of people who advance can compete in code a far too often you have lesser players beating better players. When gsl champion quality players have an issue getting through the qualifiers you know there is a problem. I'm not even sure what the problem is, perhaps the fact they dont give people time to know who they are facing, map pool...I dont know but it is something. It's an incredibly straightforward system. Tournament style, best player on the day wins. There are no excuses for these "better" players losing; it is their fault, not the system's. The gsl in code a and code s have extensive systems to allow the better player to win. Win once in code a and you are in the gsl next season no matter what. You know your opponents ahead of time, a shot in the up and downs if they lose. Code s has groups with multiple best of 3s, top 8 stay in code s, and so on. Code b the brackets are made on the spot, no prepare time for specific opponents, simple best of 3 format is far weakest at producing the best players consistently than all the rest of the gsl. Code A and S have a set group of players. Code B is an open qualifier. So the point about Code A and S having a system to keep players in isn't relevant. Best of 3 isn't ideal, obviously, but you have to consider time constraints, man power, and player fatigue. I doubt the players want to play 3, maybe 4 Bo5s or 7s just to get into Code A. It would also take forever to finish the qualifiers. Almost all qualifiers, even from BW days, are held in this manner, maybe with minor changes here and there. Upsets happen. Even at his peak Bisu constantly bombed out of OSL early or in the qualifiers. It's not strange at all. Because he is Bisu lol, players like Stork or Flash and maybe JD didnt need to be in qualifiers for 5 years Yes but it shows how brutal qualifiers can be, even for legendary players Bisu just hates qualifiers I guess
Not really. Bisu also did badly in individual leagues for years, even when he did make it through the qualifiers.
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On April 11 2013 15:38 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha wasnt he at mlg?
yeah and that was the one time
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On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha
They probably would, if they weren't such a small team (financially).
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On April 11 2013 15:38 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha wasnt he at mlg?
MLG paid for that.
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On April 11 2013 15:34 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:33 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:29 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:23 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:16 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 15:11 lichter wrote:On April 11 2013 15:06 Maghetti wrote:On April 11 2013 14:57 Veldril wrote:On April 11 2013 14:55 Maghetti wrote:
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kespa b teamers have been kicking the shit out of kespa a teamers...its really confusing... Considering it a pass of age. Maybe it is time that many b teamers become better than a teamers? That is not it. If they were better they would be the a teamers and be getting pro league play time. There are more indications that im willing to try to explain that free is better than kop and herO is better than ALBM. Win rates, results, play time, the way their play looks, competition faced, etc etc etc. Well, anyone can lose or win or a bad or good day, respectively. When you look at the list of those who qualified, you can only pick out a minority who qualified despite being of significantly lesser skill. Most of the players who qualified have the skill to survive in Code A. It's selection bias that makes us feel that b teamers are dominating. I just think there are serious problems with the code b qualifier system. Although the great majority of people who advance can compete in code a far too often you have lesser players beating better players. When gsl champion quality players have an issue getting through the qualifiers you know there is a problem. I'm not even sure what the problem is, perhaps the fact they dont give people time to know who they are facing, map pool...I dont know but it is something. It's an incredibly straightforward system. Tournament style, best player on the day wins. There are no excuses for these "better" players losing; it is their fault, not the system's. The gsl in code a and code s have extensive systems to allow the better player to win. Win once in code a and you are in the gsl next season no matter what. You know your opponents ahead of time, a shot in the up and downs if they lose. Code s has groups with multiple best of 3s, top 8 stay in code s, and so on. Code b the brackets are made on the spot, no prepare time for specific opponents, simple best of 3 format is far weakest at producing the best players consistently than all the rest of the gsl. Code A and S have a set group of players. Code B is an open qualifier. So the point about Code A and S having a system to keep players in isn't relevant. Best of 3 isn't ideal, obviously, but you have to consider time constraints, man power, and player fatigue. I doubt the players want to play 3, maybe 4 Bo5s or 7s just to get into Code A. It would also take forever to finish the qualifiers. Almost all qualifiers, even from BW days, are held in this manner, maybe with minor changes here and there. Upsets happen. Even at his peak Bisu constantly bombed out of OSL early or in the qualifiers. It's not strange at all. The Bisu point just proves its a flaw in the system. I feel there must be some creative solution when the gsl is one giant creative system to improve this some what. Letting people know their brackets a week in advance, for example would help. So basicly they need to give Bisu a seed because of his name !
Not exactly what I had in mind...
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On April 11 2013 15:38 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha wasnt he at mlg?
MLG paid for his flight and accommodation.
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On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha
I've been wanting NSHS to ZENEX for like a year now. Just for Jjakji.
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On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha
They've sent jjajki to IPL and MLG.
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On April 11 2013 15:39 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha They've sent jjajki to IPL and MLG.
Jjakji got a free trip to IPL4 for winning the online tournament " IPL Tournament of Champions " that they held in early 2012.
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On April 11 2013 15:39 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha They've sent jjajki to IPL and MLG.
He won both those trips
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how can a korean progamer not micro his goddamn drones in the early game, jesus this pisses me off more than it should but seeing him spamclick his workers with 350 apm instead of doing something useful is unacceptable to me ^^
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On April 11 2013 15:39 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha They've sent jjajki to IPL and MLG.
Both were fully paid by IPL/MLG
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On April 11 2013 15:40 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:39 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 Dodgin wrote:On April 11 2013 15:36 govie wrote:On April 11 2013 15:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Wow Jjaki didn't make it Gonna go to eu now? NsHoSeo send players to tournaments ahahahahahahahahahahaha They've sent jjajki to IPL and MLG. Both were fully paid by IPL/MLG
well they still sent him.
didnt mean paying for him :<...
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