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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
March 09 2013 15:54 GMT
#2081
See mine with fake oracle, wait for cooldown to pass, fly in real oracle. Makes sense.
syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 15:55:43
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2082
On March 10 2013 00:54 Lazzi wrote:
Those mines are a bit too strong ...


Oracle have envision, missplay from First imo. He knews about mines too....
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2083
Dream should take notes. that is how you stop oracles...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2084
On March 10 2013 00:54 Lazzi wrote:
Those mines are a bit too strong ...

And oracles killing 20 scvs are weak, huh? OP vs OP
...
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2085
Firsts oracles were weird. He should have gone in with hallucinations.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2086
Oracles are excellent harass units.... unless your opponent has any kind of combat unit.

Unlike Speed Medivacs loaded with any kind of combat unit, which are incredibly difficult for Protoss to stop.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 15:56:03
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2087
On March 10 2013 00:53 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:50 vthree wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:49 Cyrak wrote:
Even if you know that the Terran is coming with this, when he is coming and where he is dropping it is still hard to even break even against it. That is antithetical to how RTS games are supposed to work. Artosis alluded to this as well.

Perhaps it is too early to judge the strength of this, but if it is still playing this way in a few months then we may have a problem!


Really? How about the sentry-immortal? Zergs know it is coming a mile away...


Yeah? How come you only have roaches and lings when we arrive then, when the push is basically made to crush roaches and lings? Maybe you should have taken that time when you see it coming to prepare against it.


With BL/infestor perhaps? What units can zergs build when the push comes at 9:04?
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2088
On March 10 2013 00:54 TommyP wrote:
I really dont think widow mines should shoot air, let alone one shot a 300/200? unit


I don't think Toss PF's should be able to shoot air. ><
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Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2089
On March 10 2013 00:51 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:48 Exarl25 wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:44 Sapphire.lux wrote:
There have been patchs that had a bigger impact on play then HOTS has on WOL for TvP lol


Complete bullshit. Name that patch. It's like this thread is full of people who have never seen a game of HotS before this.

Queen change for TvZ. There are others i'm sure.


You said TvP not TvZ. But even when talking about TvZ, if you actually believe that the queen patch had more impact on the matchup than the entirety of the HotS changes then you don't even have a functional brain.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#2090
mines are good vs everything offensively and defensively
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45351 Posts
March 09 2013 15:56 GMT
#2091
Game 3: How to use widow mines defensively.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
March 09 2013 15:56 GMT
#2092
And that's why every Terran will open with gas and a couple of mines. Completely nullifies this type of play. Nice try with hallucinations tho!
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
March 09 2013 15:56 GMT
#2093
crappy, one sided finals terran is not fun to watch atm. cant wait for the next balance patch
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 09 2013 15:56 GMT
#2094
On March 10 2013 00:50 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:49 syroz wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:45 PetitCop wrote:
Those drops seem to safe vs protoss low anti air dps.


Yeah. But iam sure that stargate opener can be really relevant here. One oracle to harass, a handfull of phoenix to handle drops, VR for viking and cover colossi. They need new builds.


Bio crushes us so much that we barely hold the timings when teching to our aoe, what do you think will happen when we get phoenixes before aoe?


You harass them and delay their attack, stopping them from doing damage to you. A good offense can also be a good defense. And if they move out their reinforcements won't come to help with Phoenix on the map. And an addition defensive tool helps you to delay even if the army arrives.
Never forget that Phoenix removes Mules from the game.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
March 09 2013 15:56 GMT
#2095
On March 10 2013 00:54 Derez wrote:
See mine with fake oracle, wait for cooldown to pass, fly in real oracle. Makes sense.


Yeah, why didn't he fly in with Halu, take the mine shot, then instanly fly in with a real one? Seems odd
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
March 09 2013 15:57 GMT
#2096
Much better to complain that mines are imba vs oracles than just using 50 energy to have detection in 10 range
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 15:57:49
March 09 2013 15:57 GMT
#2097
On March 10 2013 00:56 theBALLS wrote:
crappy, one sided finals terran is not fun to watch atm. cant wait for the next balance patch

The parting - yoda series was good PvT to be honest. First is just not playing all that well.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 09 2013 15:57 GMT
#2098
Ah the finals are actually bo7. That's a first for IEM right?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 09 2013 15:57 GMT
#2099
On March 10 2013 00:56 CikaZombi wrote:
And that's why every Terran will open with gas and a couple of mines. Completely nullifies this type of play. Nice try with hallucinations tho!


Well, how could have tanked 1 with the hallucination...
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
March 09 2013 15:58 GMT
#2100
On March 10 2013 00:55 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:53 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:50 vthree wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:49 Cyrak wrote:
Even if you know that the Terran is coming with this, when he is coming and where he is dropping it is still hard to even break even against it. That is antithetical to how RTS games are supposed to work. Artosis alluded to this as well.

Perhaps it is too early to judge the strength of this, but if it is still playing this way in a few months then we may have a problem!


Really? How about the sentry-immortal? Zergs know it is coming a mile away...


Yeah? How come you only have roaches and lings when we arrive then, when the push is basically made to crush roaches and lings? Maybe you should have taken that time when you see it coming to prepare against it.


With BL/infestor perhaps? What units can zergs build when the push comes at 9:04?


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