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CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
March 09 2013 15:46 GMT
#2041
On March 10 2013 00:44 Archybaldie wrote:
I play protoss, is it odd that i really really cant wait to be trying to deal with speedyvacs.

Agreed, defending drops as protoss can be frustrating, but there is nothing sweeter than sniping that medivac full of units. Specially with a templar :D
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
McBrungus
Profile Joined April 2011
United States265 Posts
March 09 2013 15:46 GMT
#2042
On March 10 2013 00:44 syroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:42 Zheryn wrote:
I really don't see how you're supposed to defend vs speedivacs without losing stuff if terran controls properly.


Play less greedy first.


First was already starting to fall behind in econ thanks to MULEs, how is it supposed to work that Protoss has to play less greedy while Terran can do the exact same thing they used to do, delay the third with Widow Mines AND get teleportvacs without an upgrade or energy expenditure?
So I says to Mabel, I says...
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 09 2013 15:46 GMT
#2043
Sick game by Yoda! Man he is good. Also almost 60k viewers now, 4 from each race in top12, I would call the first hots tournament a succes .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 09 2013 15:46 GMT
#2044
On March 10 2013 00:45 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:44 Badfatpanda wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:40 Killmouse wrote:
why dont terran go mech vs P?


Medivac harass has been the deciding factor in almost every TvP YoDa played thus far. You can't do that with mech.

ofc u can? u do realize widow mines is a factory unit? also u can do hellion speedy drops

Mehh what makes bio drops so effective isn't killing probes really, it's sniping tevh buildings, catching small groups of units and spreading the toss army thin etc.

Mines and hellions can't do those things.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 09 2013 15:47 GMT
#2045
On March 10 2013 00:44 Sapphire.lux wrote:
There have been patchs that had a bigger impact on play then HOTS has on WOL for TvP lol

I think the speed boost is a pretty big deal.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 09 2013 15:47 GMT
#2046
On March 10 2013 00:45 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:44 Badfatpanda wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:40 Killmouse wrote:
why dont terran go mech vs P?


Medivac harass has been the deciding factor in almost every TvP YoDa played thus far. You can't do that with mech.

ofc u can? u do realize widow mines is a factory unit? also u can do hellion speedy drops


They can't kill tech stall upgrades and force masses of units out of position. ZOMG 4 hellions, oh wait I have stalkers and MSC. With observer coverage mid game drop timings with widow mines are laughable. Early game, sure, but mid game is where YoDa is dealing damage.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 09 2013 15:47 GMT
#2047
On March 10 2013 00:46 samurai80 wrote:
I am gonna hate Yoda so much if he wins this.

Hate leads to the Dark Side.
Get off my lawn, young punks
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
March 09 2013 15:47 GMT
#2048
The drop won because the colossus didn't have thermal lance. It was a good timing. The forcefields that First threw down to protect his colossus kept the zealots from hitting the marine marauders, which then took out the sentries and stalkers without the splash of the colossus.
Yargh
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
March 09 2013 15:48 GMT
#2049
Whoever wins will give zero shit. Best award ceremony ever incoming?
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
March 09 2013 15:48 GMT
#2050
On March 10 2013 00:44 Sapphire.lux wrote:
There have been patchs that had a bigger impact on play then HOTS has on WOL for TvP lol


Complete bullshit. Name that patch. It's like this thread is full of people who have never seen a game of HotS before this.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 09 2013 15:48 GMT
#2051
On March 10 2013 00:44 Lazzi wrote:
You guys remember Flash vs Rain in code A? Now imagine Flash with speedivacs.


But Rain would have photon overcharge so those 1 medivac drops from Flash wouldn't have been as effective. These new drops are 2-3 medivacs drops so the situation is slightly different. But will be interesting to see how Flash and Fantasy will handle their speedivacs. Same with someone like MMA.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
March 09 2013 15:48 GMT
#2052
On March 10 2013 00:48 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:44 Sapphire.lux wrote:
There have been patchs that had a bigger impact on play then HOTS has on WOL for TvP lol


Complete bullshit. Name that patch. It's like this thread is full of people who have never seen a game of HotS before this.


Barracks require supply depot~
Yargh
syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
March 09 2013 15:49 GMT
#2053
On March 10 2013 00:45 PetitCop wrote:
Those drops seem to safe vs protoss low anti air dps.


Yeah. But iam sure that stargate opener can be really relevant here. One oracle to harass, a handfull of phoenix to handle drops, VR for viking and cover colossi. They need new builds.
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
March 09 2013 15:49 GMT
#2054
Even if you know that the Terran is coming with this, when he is coming and where he is dropping it is still hard to even break even against it. That is antithetical to how RTS games are supposed to work. Artosis alluded to this as well.

Perhaps it is too early to judge the strength of this, but if it is still playing this way in a few months then we may have a problem!
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 09 2013 15:50 GMT
#2055
On March 10 2013 00:48 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:44 Sapphire.lux wrote:
There have been patchs that had a bigger impact on play then HOTS has on WOL for TvP lol


Complete bullshit. Name that patch. It's like this thread is full of people who have never seen a game of HotS before this.


Idiots who tuned in only for the finals.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12276 Posts
March 09 2013 15:50 GMT
#2056
On March 10 2013 00:49 syroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:45 PetitCop wrote:
Those drops seem to safe vs protoss low anti air dps.


Yeah. But iam sure that stargate opener can be really relevant here. One oracle to harass, a handfull of phoenix to handle drops, VR for viking and cover colossi. They need new builds.


Bio crushes us so much that we barely hold the timings when teching to our aoe, what do you think will happen when we get phoenixes before aoe?
No will to live, no wish to die
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 09 2013 15:50 GMT
#2057
On March 10 2013 00:48 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:44 Sapphire.lux wrote:
There have been patchs that had a bigger impact on play then HOTS has on WOL for TvP lol


Complete bullshit. Name that patch. It's like this thread is full of people who have never seen a game of HotS before this.

Yea this whining seems like people jsut decided to watch this one series and bitch. Playing on the beta ladder PvT was a completely different match up for me to play out then WoL between early game mines/reapers mid game speedvacs, potential for mech. Mech vs Toss hasn't really been shown yet but once the pro's get used to playing mech it will be strong
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
GunSec
Profile Joined February 2010
1095 Posts
March 09 2013 15:50 GMT
#2058
On March 10 2013 00:47 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:46 samurai80 wrote:
I am gonna hate Yoda so much if he wins this.

Hate leads to the Dark Side.


sometimes the dark side is the strongest :D
Misoza
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia571 Posts
March 09 2013 15:50 GMT
#2059
On March 10 2013 00:48 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:48 Exarl25 wrote:
On March 10 2013 00:44 Sapphire.lux wrote:
There have been patchs that had a bigger impact on play then HOTS has on WOL for TvP lol


Complete bullshit. Name that patch. It's like this thread is full of people who have never seen a game of HotS before this.


Barracks require supply depot~


Also the stim research time nerf.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
March 09 2013 15:50 GMT
#2060
On March 10 2013 00:49 syroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 00:45 PetitCop wrote:
Those drops seem to safe vs protoss low anti air dps.


Yeah. But iam sure that stargate opener can be really relevant here. One oracle to harass, a handfull of phoenix to handle drops, VR for viking and cover colossi. They need new builds.

Right, I think Protoss need new builds. You can see that Yoda is using a HotS build whereas First is doing a WoL build. Protoss player here (just incase).
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