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On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous.
Where did you find the win percentages?
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On February 05 2013 21:13 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:08 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:06 Ragnarork wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. When you look at the games, it's not even about statistics. It's about who made the good decisions/the bad moves. Right, so protoss players are just better than terrans? I'm sorry but I don't buy that for one second, if you are going to claim that there is imbalance in the matchup and statistics strongly disagree with your claim you cannot just go ahead and say "but I think protoss players are just better" that's an absolutely baseless assertion. That's not at all what he meant, he said Yoda made better decisions than Tear and that's why he won. You just read it the way you did cause even though you're trying to pretend to view this from an impartial stats standpoint, you're actually just rooting for terran =p But don't worry, everyone is rooting, we don't mind.
No. I think the player who makes the better decisions wins in TvP, regardless of race. I don't argue for or against Terran in any way. I only pointed out that anyone who claims the matchup is Terran favored has some explaining to do, seeing as Protoss had a 60% win rate in January.
On February 05 2013 21:15 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Where did you find the win percentages?
TLPD
And I should have been more specific, it's Proleague in total. It's something around 59%, so not just January.
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On February 05 2013 21:08 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:06 Ragnarork wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. When you look at the games, it's not even about statistics. It's about who made the good decisions/the bad moves. Right, so protoss players are just better than terrans? I'm sorry but I don't buy that for one second, if you are going to claim that there is imbalance in the matchup and statistics strongly disagree with your claim you cannot just go ahead and say "but I think protoss players are just better" that's an absolutely baseless assertion.
I don't even understand how this is related to my post... You talked about statistics proving/not proving imbalance in a match-up. I answered saying in this case there was no room for a balance argument since good decisions/bad moves decided the outcome of the game, not units/spells/composition/whatever-linked-to-balance.
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On February 05 2013 21:16 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:13 Nebuchad wrote:On February 05 2013 21:08 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:06 Ragnarork wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. When you look at the games, it's not even about statistics. It's about who made the good decisions/the bad moves. Right, so protoss players are just better than terrans? I'm sorry but I don't buy that for one second, if you are going to claim that there is imbalance in the matchup and statistics strongly disagree with your claim you cannot just go ahead and say "but I think protoss players are just better" that's an absolutely baseless assertion. That's not at all what he meant, he said Yoda made better decisions than Tear and that's why he won. You just read it the way you did cause even though you're trying to pretend to view this from an impartial stats standpoint, you're actually just rooting for terran =p But don't worry, everyone is rooting, we don't mind. No. I think the player who makes the better decisions wins in TvP, regardless of race. I don't argue for or against Terran in any way. I only pointed out that anyone who claims the matchup is Terran favored has some explaining to do, seeing as Protoss had a 60% win rate in January. Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:15 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Where did you find the win percentages? TLPD
Is TLPD updated again? And is anyone releasing the win percentages?
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On February 05 2013 21:18 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:16 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:13 Nebuchad wrote:On February 05 2013 21:08 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:06 Ragnarork wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. When you look at the games, it's not even about statistics. It's about who made the good decisions/the bad moves. Right, so protoss players are just better than terrans? I'm sorry but I don't buy that for one second, if you are going to claim that there is imbalance in the matchup and statistics strongly disagree with your claim you cannot just go ahead and say "but I think protoss players are just better" that's an absolutely baseless assertion. That's not at all what he meant, he said Yoda made better decisions than Tear and that's why he won. You just read it the way you did cause even though you're trying to pretend to view this from an impartial stats standpoint, you're actually just rooting for terran =p But don't worry, everyone is rooting, we don't mind. No. I think the player who makes the better decisions wins in TvP, regardless of race. I don't argue for or against Terran in any way. I only pointed out that anyone who claims the matchup is Terran favored has some explaining to do, seeing as Protoss had a 60% win rate in January. On February 05 2013 21:15 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Where did you find the win percentages? TLPD Is TLPD updated again? And is anyone releasing the win percentages?
Korea TLPD has been maintained this whole time It's just International that is completely useless since it hasn't been up to date in 5+ months now.
The games JUST ended and I already see the Yoda vs Tear series on TLPD for example.
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On February 05 2013 21:08 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Maybe the terrans who lost didn't do the SCV pull then.
Yoda used his chance and made the only viable decision left, in retrospect he "outsmarted" Tear 2 times. It kinda was lame but he also did it in a skillful manner as he knew going into macro game is suicide because he was too much behind(at least in g3 it seemed skillful with the flank...  ). If tear stalled, did not go for 2/2 but quick storm, I think he has got this. But come to think of it, his templar archive was at the third iirc T_T... x_x
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On February 05 2013 21:18 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:16 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:13 Nebuchad wrote:On February 05 2013 21:08 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:06 Ragnarork wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. When you look at the games, it's not even about statistics. It's about who made the good decisions/the bad moves. Right, so protoss players are just better than terrans? I'm sorry but I don't buy that for one second, if you are going to claim that there is imbalance in the matchup and statistics strongly disagree with your claim you cannot just go ahead and say "but I think protoss players are just better" that's an absolutely baseless assertion. That's not at all what he meant, he said Yoda made better decisions than Tear and that's why he won. You just read it the way you did cause even though you're trying to pretend to view this from an impartial stats standpoint, you're actually just rooting for terran =p But don't worry, everyone is rooting, we don't mind. No. I think the player who makes the better decisions wins in TvP, regardless of race. I don't argue for or against Terran in any way. I only pointed out that anyone who claims the matchup is Terran favored has some explaining to do, seeing as Protoss had a 60% win rate in January. On February 05 2013 21:15 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Where did you find the win percentages? TLPD Is TLPD updated again? And is anyone releasing the win percentages?
Yes, TLPD is updated, but I should have been more specific, these are the proleague win rates for all 3 rounds.
TvZ: 45.9% (28-33)
ZvP: 43,9% (36-46)
TvP: 37,3% (22-37)
Zerg Winrate: 49%
Terran Winrate: 41,6%
Protoss Winrate: 59,4%
I did these calculations 3 days ago, so they might be very slightly off now.
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Lol, love how people are complaining about the SCV pull. If it was so OP'ed, you would see all the terrans doing it and winning all their TvPs. Having mules is one of the terrans mechanics. It is the same as protoss getting sentries to FF all the bunkers so no repairs can happen. Or near instant warp-ins to end the game. Or FF ramps to block the entire army from your opponents main. There are things which are unique to the race. The problems start occurring when a strategy is so good that it has a very good win rate vs even when it is commonly used.
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On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous.
Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January?
Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for.
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On February 05 2013 21:27 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January? Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for.
I'm not sure about all of Korea, I wasn't specific enough, I keep track of Proleague only, for personal information and because I love PL more than GSL. It might very well be that Terran is doing better in GSL.
If people are genuinely interested in Proleague stats I could release a google.doc file in a couple days with all the win rates, most succesful players per race. I realize that liquipedia does the same thing but they are always behind a few weeks.
edit: I can also update the google doc file in real time, so that's another advantage of that.
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On February 05 2013 21:05 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:01 Lysanias wrote:On February 05 2013 21:00 LimitSEA wrote:
Side note, those LG-IM jackets are pretty fucking baller. I want one. Aye can't wait for those things to show up via IM's website tbh. Yup, agreed. Gief shop already. :p And I wonder how much these SCV pulls are YoDa's doing. Mvp thanked him and Happy (Iirc - think he also mentioned Dreamertt somewhere, but meh) with helping him in TvP, so I have this theory they both masterminded a lot of Mvp's TvP strategies.
Yeah... many of them based or supported by this SCV pull move.
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On February 05 2013 21:28 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:27 sitromit wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January? Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for. I'm not sure about all of Korea, I wasn't specific enough, I keep track of Proleague only, for personal information and because I love PL more than GSL. It might very well be that Terran is doing better in GSL. If people are genuinely interested in Proleague stats I could release a google.doc file in a couple days with all the win rates, most succesful players per race. I realize that liquipedia does the same thing but they are always behind a few weeks. edit: I can also update the google doc file in real time, so that's another advantage of that.
Thanks for the info (to you too, Dodgin). Yeah, would be interesting to see winrates again. SC2stats hasn't done one since August and it's more tricky to keep up with the trends.
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On February 05 2013 21:34 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:28 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:27 sitromit wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January? Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for. I'm not sure about all of Korea, I wasn't specific enough, I keep track of Proleague only, for personal information and because I love PL more than GSL. It might very well be that Terran is doing better in GSL. If people are genuinely interested in Proleague stats I could release a google.doc file in a couple days with all the win rates, most succesful players per race. I realize that liquipedia does the same thing but they are always behind a few weeks. edit: I can also update the google doc file in real time, so that's another advantage of that. Thanks for the info (to you too, Dodgin). Yeah, would be interesting to see winrates again. SC2stats hasn't done one since August and it's more tricky to keep up with the trends.
It will take me a couple days though, right now I only use pen and paper for all the stats, so in order to make a detailed google.doc file I will need some time.
I will do
team vs race
player vs race
team win rate
player win rate
race win rates
anything else you think that would be interesting?
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On February 05 2013 21:06 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:01 Lysanias wrote:On February 05 2013 21:00 LimitSEA wrote:
Side note, those LG-IM jackets are pretty fucking baller. I want one. Aye can't wait for those things to show up via IM's website tbh. ... Well it looks this gimmicky move is IM's terrans favorite. "You are behind ? Let's pull all SCVs and win this ez".
Been quite a while since i've seen someone so salty over a terran victory. Like we're back in 2011
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On February 05 2013 21:11 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:08 samurai80 wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Maybe the terrans who lost didn't do the SCV pull then. Unless you can prove that this is the case and that pulling scvs somehow increases your win percentage significantly this is nothing but speculation. I don't deal with hypotheticals, I deal with facts.
Well this is hard to find as I don't know any statistics with a winrate for each build/strategy. But from what I've been seeing in GSL, the SCV pull is very likely to have a winrate > 50%. Of course it doesn't mean that it is OP based only on this fact, because it is pulled on certain circumstances, which have influence on its success, but knowing that this in many cases will be pulled when you're behind, or at least when you're not really ahead of your opponent, it makes me think that the terrans should do it all day every day. And this is where I see a problem.
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On February 05 2013 21:37 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 05 2013 21:28 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:27 sitromit wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January? Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for. I'm not sure about all of Korea, I wasn't specific enough, I keep track of Proleague only, for personal information and because I love PL more than GSL. It might very well be that Terran is doing better in GSL. If people are genuinely interested in Proleague stats I could release a google.doc file in a couple days with all the win rates, most succesful players per race. I realize that liquipedia does the same thing but they are always behind a few weeks. edit: I can also update the google doc file in real time, so that's another advantage of that. Thanks for the info (to you too, Dodgin). Yeah, would be interesting to see winrates again. SC2stats hasn't done one since August and it's more tricky to keep up with the trends. It will take me a couple days though, right now I only use pen and paper for all the stats, so in order to make a detailed google.doc file I will need some time. I will do team vs race player vs race team win rate player win rate race win rates anything else you think that would be interesting?
I'd prefer GSL over Proleague stats but else this looks enough.
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On February 05 2013 21:37 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 05 2013 21:28 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:27 sitromit wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January? Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for. I'm not sure about all of Korea, I wasn't specific enough, I keep track of Proleague only, for personal information and because I love PL more than GSL. It might very well be that Terran is doing better in GSL. If people are genuinely interested in Proleague stats I could release a google.doc file in a couple days with all the win rates, most succesful players per race. I realize that liquipedia does the same thing but they are always behind a few weeks. edit: I can also update the google doc file in real time, so that's another advantage of that. Thanks for the info (to you too, Dodgin). Yeah, would be interesting to see winrates again. SC2stats hasn't done one since August and it's more tricky to keep up with the trends. It will take me a couple days though, right now I only use pen and paper for all the stats, so in order to make a detailed google.doc file I will need some time. I will do team vs race player vs race team win rate player win rate race win rates anything else you think that would be interesting?
I'm hesitant to say anything as it means more work for you. But maps are the big one missing.
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Protoss, the cerberus race.
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On February 05 2013 21:45 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:37 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 05 2013 21:28 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:27 sitromit wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January? Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for. I'm not sure about all of Korea, I wasn't specific enough, I keep track of Proleague only, for personal information and because I love PL more than GSL. It might very well be that Terran is doing better in GSL. If people are genuinely interested in Proleague stats I could release a google.doc file in a couple days with all the win rates, most succesful players per race. I realize that liquipedia does the same thing but they are always behind a few weeks. edit: I can also update the google doc file in real time, so that's another advantage of that. Thanks for the info (to you too, Dodgin). Yeah, would be interesting to see winrates again. SC2stats hasn't done one since August and it's more tricky to keep up with the trends. It will take me a couple days though, right now I only use pen and paper for all the stats, so in order to make a detailed google.doc file I will need some time. I will do team vs race player vs race team win rate player win rate race win rates anything else you think that would be interesting? I'd prefer GSL over Proleague stats but else this looks enough.
GSL alone doesnt have enough TvP games this season yet to be relevant. There were only 8 in Code S and it was split 4-4. 21 PvZ (13-8) and 43 TvZ (16-27)
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On February 05 2013 22:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 21:45 samurai80 wrote:On February 05 2013 21:37 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 05 2013 21:28 SlixSC wrote:On February 05 2013 21:27 sitromit wrote:On February 05 2013 21:05 SlixSC wrote:
People can complain about mules all they want, Protoss has the tools to avoid these situations, if they don't then yes Terran has an advantage. But let's not get carried away here, Protoss has a 60% win rate in TvP in Korea (january), so if people really think there is some sort of serious imbalance in the matchup, like some appearently do, they should really re-consider who suffers from that imbalance. Again I'm not saying there is imbalance, I don't think so, but to simply ignore all statistics and instead point at one game that was lost by a protoss is ridiculous. Didn't the recent statistics say T>P>Z>T in Korean TLPD in January? Regardless, I agree. We've seen Terrans pull all their SCVs and go all in and fail, as much as we've seen them succeed. It's a part of the game that players need to account for. I'm not sure about all of Korea, I wasn't specific enough, I keep track of Proleague only, for personal information and because I love PL more than GSL. It might very well be that Terran is doing better in GSL. If people are genuinely interested in Proleague stats I could release a google.doc file in a couple days with all the win rates, most succesful players per race. I realize that liquipedia does the same thing but they are always behind a few weeks. edit: I can also update the google doc file in real time, so that's another advantage of that. Thanks for the info (to you too, Dodgin). Yeah, would be interesting to see winrates again. SC2stats hasn't done one since August and it's more tricky to keep up with the trends. It will take me a couple days though, right now I only use pen and paper for all the stats, so in order to make a detailed google.doc file I will need some time. I will do team vs race player vs race team win rate player win rate race win rates anything else you think that would be interesting? I'd prefer GSL over Proleague stats but else this looks enough. GSL alone doesnt have enough TvP games this season yet to be relevant. There were only 8 in Code S and it was split 4-4
Yes of course. Need more than a season.
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EPT
