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chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
January 28 2013 22:02 GMT
#1101
On January 29 2013 04:24 skatblast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 03:30 Sabu113 wrote:
WTF TRAP WON!?!??!

I left because Revival had that wrapped up.

WHAT THE HELL


Yeah i know what you mean. He pretty much smashed that sentry immortal all in. Plus he had a gold base. Still lost

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 04:23 Zenbrez wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:55 Psychobabas wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:44 ES.Genie wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:40 Occultus wrote:
Stephano, HuK, JD, ThorZaIN, Hero, IdrA would be so baller and I wouldnt care about loss or win.

Otherwise the whole EGTL thing is boring to watch. Seriously, if i wanna watch koreans i look at, Flash, MVP, MKP, Parting, Life etc...
Liquid and EG should stick to the old style with foreigners you can relate with.

You would love to see them get smashed week after week - even worse than now - for an entire year? A weird sense of entertainment.


Jaedong, Hero, Stephano and Huk smashed every week? ...

I am a Huk fan, but objectively speaking, watching him play, he's not good.


I hear people in Code S are terrible.


Seeded into the easiest group in U/D and got demolished in RO32. Yes He will get smashed every week in Proleague.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 28 2013 22:08 GMT
#1102
If the players on EG-TL can't grasp the notion that they need their players to be 100% in ProLeague, at this rate, they won't even make it to PO. That being said, Stephano, Jaedong, Revival, HerO, and TaeJa should be the stable for their lineup since they are the most consistent in terms of gameplay and we all know that they can secure wins. The extra spot will be reserved to give rookies some TV exposure.
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
January 28 2013 22:12 GMT
#1103
On January 29 2013 07:01 Mariosatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 05:51 Whatson wrote:
On January 29 2013 04:24 skatblast wrote:
On January 29 2013 03:30 Sabu113 wrote:
WTF TRAP WON!?!??!

I left because Revival had that wrapped up.

WHAT THE HELL


Yeah i know what you mean. He pretty much smashed that sentry immortal all in. Plus he had a gold base. Still lost

On January 29 2013 04:23 Zenbrez wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:55 Psychobabas wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:44 ES.Genie wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:40 Occultus wrote:
Stephano, HuK, JD, ThorZaIN, Hero, IdrA would be so baller and I wouldnt care about loss or win.

Otherwise the whole EGTL thing is boring to watch. Seriously, if i wanna watch koreans i look at, Flash, MVP, MKP, Parting, Life etc...
Liquid and EG should stick to the old style with foreigners you can relate with.

You would love to see them get smashed week after week - even worse than now - for an entire year? A weird sense of entertainment.


Jaedong, Hero, Stephano and Huk smashed every week? ...

I am a Huk fan, but objectively speaking, watching him play, he's not good.


I hear people in Code S are terrible.

I'm tired of this argument. HuK got seeded straight into Code S. He dropped into Code B last year and would still be there if it weren't for the seed.

If you're tired, you should at least get your facts right. HuK got a seed into up and downs and he downright deserved it, beating Fantasy, Center and Flying, but losing to NesTea and finale. He bombed out of Code S simply because he was in a very hard group with Sniper (last champ), GuMiho and Bomber (both top code S terran). He tries for the Prelims every time and gets somewhat better each time; he barely didn't make it last time. I'm sure HuK can make a decent run into Code A at least. He may not be as good as Proleague, but he did put up a good performance in GSL.

He'll still get smacked around every PL match.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
January 28 2013 22:36 GMT
#1104
I think EG-TL should start to only practice HotS, with perhaps only a few hours of WoL warm-up before proleague. The reason is that most of their players can still coast on past experience, while they can gain an advantage in HotS now that will last them for several months.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
January 28 2013 22:42 GMT
#1105
On January 29 2013 07:36 Grumbels wrote:
I think EG-TL should start to only practice HotS, with perhaps only a few hours of WoL warm-up before proleague. The reason is that most of their players can still coast on past experience, while they can gain an advantage in HotS now that will last them for several months.


To be frank I think that's where Idra and DeMuslim come in; since, of late they've only been streaming HOTS it seems.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
January 28 2013 22:46 GMT
#1106
I don't particularly agree with Stephano not playing the last few rounds because he has important Code S games coming up. If the Code S games were maybe 1 or 2 days away I could understand, but he hasn't been fielded for weeks with this excuse.
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schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 22:51:06
January 28 2013 22:50 GMT
#1107
On January 29 2013 07:46 Devolved wrote:
I don't particularly agree with Stephano not playing the last few rounds because he has important Code S games coming up. If the Code S games were maybe 1 or 2 days away I could understand, but he hasn't been fielded for weeks with this excuse.


especially since he has been streaming. And he is not that kind of player that comes out with cheeky builds, he usually is just overall an awesome zerg
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
January 28 2013 23:01 GMT
#1108
puma again heh. just send out thorzain, if they are gonna lose either way, i'd rather watch thorzain
Arzar
Profile Joined October 2011
France51 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 23:28:50
January 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#1109
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :

1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.

2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering)
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 23:28:50
January 28 2013 23:27 GMT
#1110
On January 29 2013 04:25 FineAndDandy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 04:02 Swords wrote:
I don't get why HerO, Jaedong, and Stephano aren't consistently played. With Taeja hurt, those are the three players I'd trust the most to win games. People are saying things like Stephano doesn't want to give away strats for Code S. If that's the case, have him practice the KeSPA maps in Proleague (which he should be learning anyways) and put him out on those. People are saying HerO hasn't performed that well in Proleague. This may be true, but he's much more likely to give you a chance to win games than Puma or Zenio. If their roster was healthy, they'd have HerO, Jaedong, Stephano, and Taeja. If all of those guys get played, there's a good chance you win a few games and then use the less consistent JYP and Revival to grab another and potentially win the match.

Despite me complaining though, I think not having Taeja really hurt this team, especially in Round 2. Injuries suck.



Zenio's games should be played by stephano. Other than that, not much to complain.

HerO is already in the lineup for this match, just not lucky with the map draw to get to that point. Jaedong has played good amount of games recently, with less than expected wins in all-kill format though. Puma as the best terran other than Taeja, he has to replace Taeja with his injury.

2nd tier players need to step up to win some games, can't rely upon only 4 players in regular format. Right now, supporting players can't even win 1 game.


Well Puma is 0-5. How is that there second best terran? To be frank it is actually impossible to have a worse result. While talking about facts is Puma also the player with the worst score record in the entire SPL. So.. no I rather see anyone at the moment. If nothing else it is at least more entertaining, and as I said does every other player in SPL have a better record.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
January 28 2013 23:28 GMT
#1111
On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :

1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.

2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation, or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering)

I guess Stephano can't be tamed. He doesn't prepare, he won't practice, it's no wonder that the coach has no faith in him.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
January 28 2013 23:32 GMT
#1112
On January 29 2013 08:28 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :

1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.

2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation, or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering)

I guess Stephano can't be tamed. He doesn't prepare, he won't practice, it's no wonder that the coach has no faith in him.


Exactly, he has all his faith in Puma instead.

It feels safe to know the outcome before and I prefer to keep playing the same player over and over while doing it. And god forbid any foreigner should play, no lets keep playing the Koreans with sub 40% win rate.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 28 2013 23:34 GMT
#1113
On January 29 2013 08:32 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 08:28 Grumbels wrote:
On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :

1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.

2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation, or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering)

I guess Stephano can't be tamed. He doesn't prepare, he won't practice, it's no wonder that the coach has no faith in him.


Exactly, he has all his faith in Puma instead.

It feels safe to know the outcome before and I prefer to keep playing the same player over and over while doing it. And god forbid any foreigner should play, no lets keep playing the Koreans with sub 40% win rate.

They have to play either PuMa or Thorzain atm because of the 1 of each race rule and TaeJa cant play. I guess the coach thinks PuMa > Thorzain based off practice. Maybe that will change with the loss to Classic since Thorzain beat Classic for his 1 win. To be honest the Terran set will continue to be a free win for the other team until TaeJa comes back
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
January 28 2013 23:52 GMT
#1114
Still, let's look at their roster they can throw out if they're all in the same place: (T)TaeJa, (P)HerO, (Z)Stephano, (P)JYP, (Z)Jaedong, (T)PuMa, (T)Sea and then one of their strong foreigners like (Z)IdrA, (P)HuK, or (T)ThorZaIN if they like. In a league that is all about having a strong core, when this team is all together, they should dominate the other teams. KeSPA is still trying to catch up to the more experienced ESF players, so the Unholy Alliance will have an advantage especially in the early months of the season. By the end everything could be flipped upside down, but the player line-up is too star studded to bet against.

It's scary how good this team could dominate in the first few months of the league if even half of their main roster can stay in Korea. With Hero, Taeja, Sea, (Z)Zenio, JYP, Jaedong and Puma more than likely staying in Korea for the duration of the Proleague season except for foreign tournaments, you can expect those players to be the heart of the team with Stephano and Idra making cameo appearances every so often.

There is a lot that can go wrong with this newly formed team, but if things even go somewhat right, they will be in the finals come the end of the year. Prepare yourselves, Proleague, you just unleashed a monster into your tournament.

"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 00:06:52
January 29 2013 00:06 GMT
#1115
lol, even during that time, I remember reading that hyperbole and laughing.

Loving the recent results.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 00:08:13
January 29 2013 00:07 GMT
#1116
Well shit -_-

i guess im glad i spent the extra few bucks for KT instead of EGTL in FPL
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dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 00:17:46
January 29 2013 00:14 GMT
#1117
On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :

1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.

2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering)


So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches?

It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse.

Obligatory
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
January 29 2013 00:19 GMT
#1118
TL-EG is fine. They just went an entire round without there ace and were a middle pack team. If we have learned anything from the first 2 rounds of proleague is anyone can beat anyone.If tajea gets healthy and finds his way into the lineup eg-tl can field the scariest line-up with the ability to use any race in an ace match with confidence. Also come playoff time I doubt you will much zenio puma and revival. Hero tajea jyp JD and stephano and snute (if in Korea will be there line up
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Arzar
Profile Joined October 2011
France51 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 00:33:56
January 29 2013 00:32 GMT
#1119
On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :

1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.

2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering)


So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches?

It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse.

Obligatory

Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc.

So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 00:42:16
January 29 2013 00:41 GMT
#1120
On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:
On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :

1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.

2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering)


So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches?

It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse.

Obligatory

Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc.

So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong.


No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win.

They're wrong. Painfully so.

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