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JD, Steph, Hero, JYP & Revival, if lose more than 2 gonna be ultra-tough to win.... So it's either 4-1 or or 4-x loss..
Hope I'm proven wrong. EG-Liquid gogogo!
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On January 29 2013 13:43 ArchDC wrote:
JD, Steph, Hero, JYP & Revival, if lose more than 2 gonna be ultra-tough to win.... So it's either 4-1 or or 4-x loss..
Hope I'm proven wrong. EG-Liquid gogogo!
...?
That match has already been played.
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On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin
Ugh... even though i always acknowledged this it's still tough to see it written out or hear it said.
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IMO EG-TL just have to stop fielding PuMa. Unless he is some ladder god I don't see why he gets sent out first and generally lowers morale of the team. The sad truth is that he's a writeoff as a loss more times than not with a 0/5 score so far in PL..
Anyone know the news on the foreigners (Huk, Stephano, IdrA)?
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On January 29 2013 11:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them.
Oh please it has been almost a year.
The good ones are out there performing up to their potential, the ones who couldnt really adapt ended up in Afreeca
or retired. Wait, do you still have faith in Bisu? Stephano fucking revolutionized zvp and zvt. He was the one using
ling-infestor while everyone else was stuck in mutaling mutaling mutaling. A lot of kespa pros have copied his builds and
look at Jaedong. In his interview he expressed that he has so much respect for Stephano, and said stephano is his role model. He aint no random No.123456 zerg player, and now youre belittling him as a dishwasher?
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On January 29 2013 14:39 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them. Oh please it has been almost a year. The good ones are out there performing up to their potential, the ones who couldnt really adapt ended up in Afreeca or retired. Wait, do you still have faith in Bisu? Stephano fucking revolutionized zvp and zvt. He was the one using ling-infestor while everyone else was stuck in mutaling mutaling mutaling. A lot of kespa pros have copied his builds and look at Jaedong. In his interview he expressed that he has so much respect for Stephano, and said stephano is his role model. He aint no random No.123456 zerg player, and now youre belittling him as a dishwasher?
Amen, brotha.
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stephano is good, but if he doesn't work harder if may well become a dishwasher.
it's one thing to be a foreign superstar, but in the SPL you have to back up that attitude with 100% commitment.
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On January 29 2013 14:37 SwizzY wrote:
IMO EG-TL just have to stop fielding PuMa. Unless he is some ladder god I don't see why he gets sent out first and generally lowers morale of the team. The sad truth is that he's a writeoff as a loss more times than not with a 0/5 score so far in PL..
Anyone know the news on the foreigners (Huk, Stephano, IdrA)?
They send huk once and it was like puma playing toss...exept his u&d performance hes not in the best shape right now...
I guess stephano is in prac mode for code s games and idra went full time hots so expect him to arive when proleague switches (round 4 or 5, dun remember  )
On January 29 2013 14:39 mongmong wrote:
Oh please it has been almost a year.
The good ones are out there performing up to their potential, the ones who couldnt really adapt ended up in Afreeca
or retired. Wait, do you still have faith in Bisu? Stephano fucking revolutionized zvp and zvt. He was the one using
ling-infestor while everyone else was stuck in mutaling mutaling mutaling. A lot of kespa pros have copied his builds and
look at Jaedong. In his interview he expressed that he has so much respect for Stephano, and said stephano is his role model. He aint no random No.123456 zerg player, and now youre belittling him as a dishwasher?
"Revolutionized" is exaggeration.
Speaking about Bisu I think he went hots full time and preparing together with parting...
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On January 29 2013 02:04 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 01:31 Daswollvieh wrote:On January 29 2013 00:52 letian wrote:On January 29 2013 00:30 Daswollvieh wrote:On January 29 2013 00:17 decado90 wrote:
Taeja, Stephano, and Jaedong are good. And Jyp, Revival, and Hero are decent, but the rest of the players on EGTL are easily the worst players in Proleague.
But, hey, you get back what you put in. It's damned obvious that success in Proleague isn't EG-TL's main prerogative. Their players steam hours a day and some of them even play HOTS-- Thorzain oftentimes streams HOTS the day before SPL and Revival is streaming it now. What did Flash say in an interview? That he had no time to play HOTS because he was preparing for proleague?
And the EG-TL coach said practice is 8 hours a day? Literally a laughable amount compared to Kespa teams.
I just want the season to end and this entire farce to be over. If EG-TL isn't going to take such a prestigious league seriously, they don't deserve to be in it. They are an insult to SPL. You don't join Pro League to half-ass it, because the rest of the Kespa teams have it as their first and only priority. I agree. EG-TL players should be punished physically for not embracing the magical code of honor of pro-league, which is best understood by those watching at home. I wouldn´t be surprised if kespa ordered them to commit ritual suicide in order to wash away the shame they have brought over the holy scripture of whatever it is that the belief in PL´s supreme holiness is based on. And then, STX should be barred from PL as well, because having a worse record than TL-EG they must be even more lazy and undeserving of the holy light that is pro-league. I really appreciate your inside knowledge of PL. you're trying hard to look like an idiot, are you? Actually I was being sarcastic in order to expose the fallacies of the post I referred to. And there were a lot. the poster above, though overemotional, was right. PL is not another show off league and it is a real pity to see how EGTL arranges its priorities.
Ah, I get it. You decide which league is important and which is a show off league. And you also have inside knowledge of the inner workings of kespa teams and EG-TL. I guess the people in charge are all just incompetent. Now I know!
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Stephano doesn't really care about SPL. It means almost nothing to him, at most he is barely interested in Code S and that only because it has higher potential for money making after he was spammed by all his fans and media to go in GSL.
He never watches other pros play doesn't study or analyze any other opponent. He didn't even know who Jaedong was untill some fans tweeted him that the zerg god of bw said hes a big fan of him.
He was totally clueless about all bw and kespa in general and most probably only found out about SPL when the EG-TL leadership notified him that he was supposed to play there.
To say he doesn't take SPL serious is an understatement, he doesn't even take Code S seriously or he simply doesn't want to.
The funny thing is some people still believe he actually practices for those events but he streams hots for 6-8hours everyday and throws some LoL games in between.
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On January 29 2013 17:55 Meggiroth wrote:
Stephano doesn't really care about SPL. It means almost nothing to him, at most he is barely interested in Code S and that only because it has higher potential for money making after he was spammed by all his fans and media to go in GSL.
He never watches other pros play doesn't study or analyze any other opponent. He didn't even know who Jaedong was untill some fans tweeted him that the zerg god of bw said hes a big fan of him.
He was totally clueless about all bw and kespa in general and most probably only found out about SPL when the EG-TL leadership notified him that he was supposed to play there.
To say he doesn't take SPL serious is an understatement, he doesn't even take Code S seriously or he simply doesn't want to.
The funny thing is some people still believe he actually practices for those events but he streams hots for 6-8hours everyday and throws some LoL games in between.
Incontrol once said (was it SotG?) that Stepahno does not want to care about games because he does not want any pressure on him. So far it seems to have worked but I doubt this attitude is fit for Proleague... But well, we didn't see much of him and he has always the potential to all-kill, so don't write him off 
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On January 29 2013 08:52 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +Still, let's look at their roster they can throw out if they're all in the same place: (T)TaeJa, (P)HerO, (Z)Stephano, (P)JYP, (Z)Jaedong, (T)PuMa, (T)Sea and then one of their strong foreigners like (Z)IdrA, (P)HuK, or (T)ThorZaIN if they like. In a league that is all about having a strong core, when this team is all together, they should dominate the other teams. KeSPA is still trying to catch up to the more experienced ESF players, so the Unholy Alliance will have an advantage especially in the early months of the season. By the end everything could be flipped upside down, but the player line-up is too star studded to bet against.
It's scary how good this team could dominate in the first few months of the league if even half of their main roster can stay in Korea. With Hero, Taeja, Sea, (Z)Zenio, JYP, Jaedong and Puma more than likely staying in Korea for the duration of the Proleague season except for foreign tournaments, you can expect those players to be the heart of the team with Stephano and Idra making cameo appearances every so often.
There is a lot that can go wrong with this newly formed team, but if things even go somewhat right, they will be in the finals come the end of the year. Prepare yourselves, Proleague, you just unleashed a monster into your tournament. 
that last bolded line. pure gold :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Stephano said few days ago on his stream that he really cares about PL and that when he streams, he hides his strategy for PL/GSL so i don't understand what i read here.
Why sent Stephano as the ace against WJS, bringing the victory, and few days later bench him against STX two times in a row, doesn't make any sense.
Also Stephano won't be there after round 3 i believe, so good for EG-TL if the coach doesn't want to use him at the maximum until he leaves Korea.
Of course Stephano won't be playing against Samsung Khan since it's the same day as his Code S group but don't worry, the best and most solid zerg according to the community, Revival, will play for sure.
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On January 29 2013 17:23 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 02:04 letian wrote:On January 29 2013 01:31 Daswollvieh wrote:On January 29 2013 00:52 letian wrote:On January 29 2013 00:30 Daswollvieh wrote:On January 29 2013 00:17 decado90 wrote:
Taeja, Stephano, and Jaedong are good. And Jyp, Revival, and Hero are decent, but the rest of the players on EGTL are easily the worst players in Proleague.
But, hey, you get back what you put in. It's damned obvious that success in Proleague isn't EG-TL's main prerogative. Their players steam hours a day and some of them even play HOTS-- Thorzain oftentimes streams HOTS the day before SPL and Revival is streaming it now. What did Flash say in an interview? That he had no time to play HOTS because he was preparing for proleague?
And the EG-TL coach said practice is 8 hours a day? Literally a laughable amount compared to Kespa teams.
I just want the season to end and this entire farce to be over. If EG-TL isn't going to take such a prestigious league seriously, they don't deserve to be in it. They are an insult to SPL. You don't join Pro League to half-ass it, because the rest of the Kespa teams have it as their first and only priority. I agree. EG-TL players should be punished physically for not embracing the magical code of honor of pro-league, which is best understood by those watching at home. I wouldn´t be surprised if kespa ordered them to commit ritual suicide in order to wash away the shame they have brought over the holy scripture of whatever it is that the belief in PL´s supreme holiness is based on. And then, STX should be barred from PL as well, because having a worse record than TL-EG they must be even more lazy and undeserving of the holy light that is pro-league. I really appreciate your inside knowledge of PL. you're trying hard to look like an idiot, are you? Actually I was being sarcastic in order to expose the fallacies of the post I referred to. And there were a lot. the poster above, though overemotional, was right. PL is not another show off league and it is a real pity to see how EGTL arranges its priorities. Ah, I get it. You decide which league is important and which is a show off league. And you also have inside knowledge of the inner workings of kespa teams and EG-TL. I guess the people in charge are all just incompetent. Now I know!
Instead of being so overly sarcastic, why don't you point out these fallacies that you claim the first post has a lot of?
And if you're just going to keep on being sarcastic and a jerk, then stop posting.
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On January 29 2013 22:30 Nelz wrote:
Stephano said few days ago on his stream that he really cares about PL and that when he streams, he hides his strategy for PL/GSL so i don't understand what i read here.
Why sent Stephano as the ace against WJS, bringing the victory, and few days later bench him against STX two times in a row, doesn't make any sense.
Also Stephano won't be there after round 3 i believe, so good for EG-TL if the coach doesn't want to use him at the maximum until he leaves Korea.
Of course Stephano won't be playing against Samsung Khan since it's the same day as his Code S group but don't worry, the best and most solid zerg according to the community, Revival, will play for sure.
Maybe they think STX is weak, they can take STX out without full force.
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On January 29 2013 16:39 alone wrote:
"Revolutionized" is exaggeration.
Exaggeration or not, he is the origin of all the whine(although quite justified) of zerg being overpowered. I'm quite sure both roaches and infestors were considered shit before started using roach max vs toss and ling infestor vs terran.
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On January 30 2013 00:09 Tommyth wrote:Exaggeration or not, he is the origin of all the whine(although quite justified) of zerg being overpowered. I'm quite sure both roaches and infestors were considered shit before started using roach max vs toss and ling infestor vs terran.
Well he helped develop the style but it's not like everything zerg uses nowadays was 100% invented by him. Probably bad example but Destiny was using mass infestor/BL WAAAAY before most other players did. Like, I remember him doing it on Xel'Naga Caverns, that's how early I'm talking. The ideas were always there, Stephano was just good enough to really show how to properly use those styles.
ZvP, yes. He was the most "revolutionizing" player from the zerg side. With HerO probably being the most influential from the protoss side. <- which I of course have to add, tis what I do
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On January 30 2013 00:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 00:09 Tommyth wrote:On January 29 2013 16:39 alone wrote:
"Revolutionized" is exaggeration. Exaggeration or not, he is the origin of all the whine(although quite justified) of zerg being overpowered. I'm quite sure both roaches and infestors were considered shit before started using roach max vs toss and ling infestor vs terran. Well he helped develop the style but it's not like everything zerg uses nowadays was 100% invented by him. Probably bad example but Destiny was using mass infestor/BL WAAAAY before most other players did. Like, I remember him doing it on Xel'Naga Caverns, that's how early I'm talking. The ideas were always there, Stephano was just good enough to really show how to properly use those styles. ZvP, yes. He was the most "revolutionizing" player from the zerg side. With HerO probably being the most influential from the protoss side. <- which I of course have to add, tis what I do
When Destiny started beating Korean pro-gamers using that style he became well-known in that community. Boxer knew who he was.
As for the people wondering why Puma would ever be sent out, maybe the fact that you're actively wondering should tip you off that you don't know the inner workings of the team and aren't in a very strong position to criticize.
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This thread has reached a new low.
So after pointing out that Huk is terrible (Code S is terrible apparently) people are now focusing on Stephano being just a 1-hit wonder?
I applaud you for this feat. 
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On January 30 2013 01:22 Psychobabas wrote:This thread has reached a new low. So after pointing out that Huk is terrible (Code S is terrible apparently) people are now focusing on Stephano being just a 1-hit wonder? I applaud you for this feat.
He's actually code a
Would be in Code b, but we all know how good seeds are
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