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On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so.
Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL.
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On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL.
The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position.
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On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position.
Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more.
Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent).
Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care?
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On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care?
i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin
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On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin
Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them.
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On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care?
Where does he say that he doesn't care? It appears to me that he wants to practice the way he wants to practice, which is not the way the coach wants him to practice. This is all based on hearsay, but what other reason could the coach have for not fielding him?
It seems to boil down to two possibilities:
-the coach is stubborn and won't play Stephano because he won't practice the way the coach wants him to practice
-or he truly thinks they have a better chance of winning without him
For the first possibility I'd say the coach probably needs to be a bit more flexible. Stephano has previously stated his preferred methods of non-specific practice, and it seems to work for him, so why not let him go with it?
For the second possibility, well, I think everyone knows that is wrong, and it has been proven as such with EG-TL's results.
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On January 29 2013 11:25 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? Where does he say that he doesn't care? It appears to me that he wants to practice the way he wants to practice, which is not the way the coach wants him to practice. This is all based on hearsay, but what other reason could the coach have for not fielding him? It seems to boil down to two possibilities: -the coach is stubborn and won't play Stephano because he won't practice the way the coach wants him to practice -or he truly thinks they have a better chance of winning without him For the first possibility I'd say the coach probably needs to be a bit more flexible. Stephano has previously stated his preferred methods of non-specific practice, and it seems to work for him, so why not let him go with it? For the second possibility, well, I think everyone knows that is wrong, and it has been proven as such with EG-TL's results.
In one of his earlier interviews he mentioned that he wouldn't take SPL to be a huge commitment. He wanted to do well for the team and had big ambitions but I believe he said something about not focusing on SPL much.
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On January 29 2013 11:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them.
Beat in mind that the comparison is only meant to highlight the fact that GOOD players CAN have good individual and have good team records without focusing on it but they're not necessarily always reliable and JD and FlaSh had HUGE stress put on them because they made the commitment to focus on SPL and individual leagues.
And yeah I agree that Stephano's SC2 < FlaSh/JD's BW.
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On January 29 2013 11:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them.
Why do you even bother posting this? Why make this prediction? What do you feel like you gain? Do you associate yourself with Kespa or feel linked to them in some way? You're someone sitting at their computer trashing a player and insisting he'll be a nobody compared to another set of players. I just don't see what you think you'll gain or how you might feel you 1-upped someone.
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On January 29 2013 11:35 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them. Beat in mind that the comparison is only meant to highlight the fact that GOOD players CAN have good individual and have good team records without focusing on it but they're not necessarily always reliable and JD and FlaSh had HUGE stress put on them because they made the commitment to focus on SPL and individual leagues. And yeah I agree that Stephano's SC2 < FlaSh/JD's BW.
as if there's actually any achievement in gaming that comes close to winning osl, msl, and wcg in the same year, while making the finals of every single msl and osl that year, AND carrying KT to a second SPL championship for the second year in a row?
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On January 29 2013 11:35 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them. Beat in mind that the comparison is only meant to highlight the fact that GOOD players CAN have good individual and have good team records without focusing on it but they're not necessarily always reliable and JD and FlaSh had HUGE stress put on them because they made the commitment to focus on SPL and individual leagues. And yeah I agree that Stephano's SC2 < FlaSh/JD's BW.
The point isn't to compare Stephano's SC2 to JD/Flash's BW.
Its simply to compare Stephano's SC2 to Puma's and Zenio's. Its just not defensible for a coach to not be able to make that decision correctly.
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lets not compare stephano with jaedong/flash.... It's like comparing lamar odom to michael jordan/magic johnson
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On January 29 2013 11:33 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:25 Devolved wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? Where does he say that he doesn't care? It appears to me that he wants to practice the way he wants to practice, which is not the way the coach wants him to practice. This is all based on hearsay, but what other reason could the coach have for not fielding him? It seems to boil down to two possibilities: -the coach is stubborn and won't play Stephano because he won't practice the way the coach wants him to practice -or he truly thinks they have a better chance of winning without him For the first possibility I'd say the coach probably needs to be a bit more flexible. Stephano has previously stated his preferred methods of non-specific practice, and it seems to work for him, so why not let him go with it? For the second possibility, well, I think everyone knows that is wrong, and it has been proven as such with EG-TL's results. In one of his earlier interviews he mentioned that he wouldn't take SPL to be a huge commitment. He wanted to do well for the team and had big ambitions but I believe he said something about not focusing on SPL much.
Isn't that pretty much his overall mindset toward any tournament? He doesn't specifically focus on any individual tournament or league (as seen by his paraphrased Q/A quote about Code S a few posts back) , but instead he practices to generally improve his overall skill level, which is then demonstrated by the results that he gets in these tournaments that he's not specifically practicing for.
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I know things are looking grim for EG-TL, but the next 3 rounds are HotS, and Taeja will be back in playing condition soon, so anything is possible. Still like 3.5 months before the playoffs so don't give up hope yet.
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On January 29 2013 11:42 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 29 2013 11:14 karis wrote:On January 29 2013 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 10:19 soccerdude wrote:On January 29 2013 10:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 29 2013 09:41 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 09:32 Arzar wrote:On January 29 2013 09:14 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2013 08:12 Arzar wrote:
By the way Stephano did a Q/A at the end of his stream session today and some of his answer on the french chat chanel were quite interesting :
1) When it come to proleague, it's the coach and only the coach that take decisions about what player to field, on what map and in what order. The coach also decides who train against who at the gaming house.
2) Stephano doesn't focus that much on GSL. It would be very nice if he can go deep in GSL but he is in Korea first to train and to globally up his level of play. He don't plan to do any special preparation or some kind of special training for his match in group H, just regular training. (mostly laddering) So..... they're not playing him because he doesn't practice well enough? Puma and Zenio had a greater chance to win on stage in the minds of the coaches? It just seem like neglect. Its a poor decision from a competative standpoint IMHO, but undoubtedly its a bad move from the stance of "esports". All for the sake of what? Its one thing if its working, but the team performance is just getting worse. Obligatory Maybe I worded incorrectly, he obviously practice a *ton* when in Korea. But it's regular practice. He won't do some kind of special training for GSL like when you play only against the race of your opponent of your next match with practice partner, analyze your opponent to death etc. So all the excuses said in this thread like Stephano is "exempt of PL because he has to prepare to GSL/ can't play PL because he is focusing on GSL/wan't to keep his strat etc" are probably wrong. No I understood. If GSL isn't the reason why Stephano hasn't played in ProLeague, then it can only be because the coaches aren't happy with his "practice" habits or preparation. Or they honestly think the other players have a better shot at getting them a win. They're wrong. Painfully so. Not really. Specialized training is what SPL is all about, if you can't commit to that then SPL isn't your thing. Besides Stephano (to my knowledge) went to Korea to play in the GSL and to do general training. If you're not gonna commit to the SPL then the coaches don't have an obligation to field you. He's a good player and I'll grant him that but between map specialists and snipers it's better for SPL coaches and teams to field players who are training for the SPL. The issue is that Stephano's non-committed style still fairs much better then some of his teammates fully committed styles. That can place the coach in an awkward position. Bear in mind that some of the maps used in the SPL are also ladder maps which would make it easier for Stephano to transition right? If he's focused on his mechanics especially he'll take games off of good players no matter what but if he fully committed then his coaches would send him out more. Also let's look at it this way, FlaSh for part of his career had to not only rock OSL and MSL but carry his SPL team on his shoulders. If that was anyone else it wouldn't have been done right? Same with JD. JD, FlaSh and Stephano are all excellent players and as such have the ability to slice games off of other people regardless of practice amounts (to a certain extent). Is it fair for the players on the team to be left in the dust with respect to PL if they train for it and lose their spots to someone who stated that he didn't care? i dont think its fair to compare bw flash and jaedong with stephano. i don't think stephano is anywhere near that level of dominance. i mean flash was well flash and jaedong was just a notch below hin Yeah that's not even a close comparison lol Especially since the Kespa players haven't been playing nearly as long as he has. once they do, Stephano will be nothing more then a dishwasher compared to them. Why do you even bother posting this? Why make this prediction? What do you feel like you gain? Do you associate yourself with Kespa or feel linked to them in some way? You're someone sitting at their computer trashing a player and insisting he'll be a nobody compared to another set of players. I just don't see what you think you'll gain or how you might feel you 1-upped someone.
I made the prediction because BW is a game you had to "practice" for. Stephano wouldn't stand a chance in it if he didn't practice as hard as them and it's as simple as that. SC2 is a much friendlier game where you don't really have to practice much to be good at it. Take Nerchio and Stephano for instance. Somehow, I offended you. But unless you played BW then don't respond to my comment. In terms of skill, BW was on a completely different level then SC2 in terms of being a top player. Hell, even your top sc2 players of the last 2 1/2 years were BW players who had very little to no success. That alone should tell you how difficult BW was.
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On January 29 2013 11:51 Spermwahale wrote:
lets not compare stephano with jaedong/flash.... It's like comparing lamar odom to michael jordan/magic johnson
Naw comparing Jaedong/Flash to Stephano it's more like comparing Yao Ming with Michael Jordan. Yao Ming came into the NBA one of the most hyped players ever. He was a bigshot (literally) in China but the question was could he make the transition to the hypercompetitive world of the NBA? It's not quite a fair comparison because much of his career was held back by injury but obviously Yao Ming never made the kind of impact a lot of people hoped he would in the NBA, even when he was healthy.
Stephano is a proven quantity who's taken down numerous championships; Jaedong/Flash for all the hype have yet to deliver on the promise in SC2.
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On January 29 2013 12:56 Evil_Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:51 Spermwahale wrote:
lets not compare stephano with jaedong/flash.... It's like comparing lamar odom to michael jordan/magic johnson Naw comparing Jaedong/Flash to Stephano it's more like comparing Yao Ming with Michael Jordan. Yao Ming came into the NBA one of the most hyped players ever. He was a bigshot (literally) in China but the question was could he make the transition to the hypercompetitive world of the NBA? It's not quite a fair comparison because much of his career was held back by injury but obviously Yao Ming never made the kind of impact a lot of people hoped he would in the NBA, even when he was healthy. Stephano is a proven quantity who's taken down numerous championships; Jaedong/Flash for all the hype have yet to deliver on the promise in SC2.
lmao. You're wrong for that! haha
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On January 29 2013 12:56 Evil_Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:51 Spermwahale wrote:
lets not compare stephano with jaedong/flash.... It's like comparing lamar odom to michael jordan/magic johnson Naw comparing Jaedong/Flash to Stephano it's more like comparing Yao Ming with Michael Jordan. Yao Ming came into the NBA one of the most hyped players ever. He was a bigshot (literally) in China but the question was could he make the transition to the hypercompetitive world of the NBA? It's not quite a fair comparison because much of his career was held back by injury but obviously Yao Ming never made the kind of impact a lot of people hoped he would in the NBA, even when he was healthy. Stephano is a proven quantity who's taken down numerous championships; Jaedong/Flash for all the hype have yet to deliver on the promise in SC2.
Keep in mind that Stephano has had more chances to bag championships. He's played for 2 1/2 years compared to the Jaedong/Flash who started SC2 full time in Sept 2012 (the end of the hybrid pro league). 2 1/2 years makes a huge ass difference when it comes to polishing builds, practicing maps upon their release, and experiencing more battle situations and knowing what to do when and where. I suggest you give them at least as much time as Stephano got before you try to talk about "comparisons". Also, if you played BW you would see why they're not "over-hyped".
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The whole Stephano vs JD/Flash talk is a non starter.
The point is that EG/TL could be winning ProLeague. They could be doing far better than they are, and not playing Stephano is just a big fat albatross as to the reasons why.
Who is the owner of this team? Bring in a new coach.....anyone.......ASAP!
Irregardless of what you think of Stephano, everyone on EG/TL could be playing better.
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On January 29 2013 08:52 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +Still, let's look at their roster they can throw out if they're all in the same place: (T)TaeJa, (P)HerO, (Z)Stephano, (P)JYP, (Z)Jaedong, (T)PuMa, (T)Sea and then one of their strong foreigners like (Z)IdrA, (P)HuK, or (T)ThorZaIN if they like. In a league that is all about having a strong core, when this team is all together, they should dominate the other teams. KeSPA is still trying to catch up to the more experienced ESF players, so the Unholy Alliance will have an advantage especially in the early months of the season. By the end everything could be flipped upside down, but the player line-up is too star studded to bet against.
It's scary how good this team could dominate in the first few months of the league if even half of their main roster can stay in Korea. With Hero, Taeja, Sea, (Z)Zenio, JYP, Jaedong and Puma more than likely staying in Korea for the duration of the Proleague season except for foreign tournaments, you can expect those players to be the heart of the team with Stephano and Idra making cameo appearances every so often.
There is a lot that can go wrong with this newly formed team, but if things even go somewhat right, they will be in the finals come the end of the year. Prepare yourselves, Proleague, you just unleashed a monster into your tournament. 
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