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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 18 2013 16:58 GMT
#1241
On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade


How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol.


Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through.

head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade
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TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
January 18 2013 16:58 GMT
#1242
On January 19 2013 01:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade


How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol.

But 6 is more than 5 as well.


True, but the rules apparently say wins are more important. nothing unfair about it, everybody knows (well should know) them before entering.
hangarninetysix
Profile Joined August 2010
263 Posts
January 18 2013 16:58 GMT
#1243
I love that Grubby advanced, but it seems like a really bad system that he advanced over moonglade.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 18 2013 16:59 GMT
#1244
On January 19 2013 01:57 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:53 OKMarius wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:50 o)_Saurus wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:50 Xoronius wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:49 Nick! wrote:
So Dream/Grubby/TLO advance?


Dream/TLO/Moonglade, if my math is correct (Glade and Grubby both at +1, Glade > Grubby in H2H).


total maps won counts higher as h2h afaik.
So Grubby advances 3rd over moonglade.


Really? If that's the case, then that rule makes no sense. 7-6 isn't better than 6-5.


It is better. An extreme example would be 70-60 and 60-50, +10 gets worth more the more games were played.


Totally not.
You think 70-60 is more impressive than 20-10 (or 11-1)?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
January 18 2013 16:59 GMT
#1245
On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade


How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol.


Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through.

head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade


Oh right. Okay yeah good stuff.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
January 18 2013 16:59 GMT
#1246
Grubby <3

still odd system
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Nine Gates
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland198 Posts
January 18 2013 16:59 GMT
#1247
On January 19 2013 01:57 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:53 OKMarius wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:50 o)_Saurus wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:50 Xoronius wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:49 Nick! wrote:
So Dream/Grubby/TLO advance?


Dream/TLO/Moonglade, if my math is correct (Glade and Grubby both at +1, Glade > Grubby in H2H).


total maps won counts higher as h2h afaik.
So Grubby advances 3rd over moonglade.


Really? If that's the case, then that rule makes no sense. 7-6 isn't better than 6-5.


It is better. An extreme example would be 70-60 and 60-50, +10 gets worth more the more games were played.

An even more extreme example: 1-0 vs 10-9. According to you, 10-9 is better.
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WhurreOdu
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1739 Posts
January 18 2013 16:59 GMT
#1248
Nice try Golden
Fut am Bam
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
January 18 2013 16:59 GMT
#1249
On January 19 2013 01:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade

He loses on either set of traditional tiebreakers. Mapscore = last place. head to head we had moonglade > Grubby > TLO > moonglade which would then go to map score meaning moonglade is out again. I don't see how it's unfair

Well obviously map score is the first factor, and here TLO has the highest net map score, however, net mapscores for Grubby and Moonglade are equal, they are merely advancing Grubby because he has 1 more win than Moonglade, while Moonglade has a higher winratio(6/11>7/13). Moonglade also won the head to head.

I have no quote!
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
January 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1250
On January 19 2013 01:58 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade


How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol.

But 6 is more than 5 as well.


True, but the rules apparently say wins are more important. nothing unfair about it, everybody knows (well should know) them before entering.


Both players have the same mapscore of +1.
Grubby has won more maps total.
Grubby goes through.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
January 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1251
How did Nerchio diestar end ? I missed it
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
January 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1252
On January 19 2013 01:59 Nine Gates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:57 Musicus wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:53 OKMarius wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:50 o)_Saurus wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:50 Xoronius wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:49 Nick! wrote:
So Dream/Grubby/TLO advance?


Dream/TLO/Moonglade, if my math is correct (Glade and Grubby both at +1, Glade > Grubby in H2H).


total maps won counts higher as h2h afaik.
So Grubby advances 3rd over moonglade.


Really? If that's the case, then that rule makes no sense. 7-6 isn't better than 6-5.


It is better. An extreme example would be 70-60 and 60-50, +10 gets worth more the more games were played.

An even more extreme example: 1-0 vs 10-9. According to you, 10-9 is better.


You are all overthinking this, they both played the same amount of matches, and Grubby won more games.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1253
Yo, Kas, there are islands on this map! -.- Just take one, you even have a raven.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
January 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1254
So many people bad at maths lol.
Notam
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia93 Posts
January 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1255
On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade


How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol.


Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through.

head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade

TLO is +4 F/A, while Glade and Grubby are +1 F/A, so it's isn't really a 3-way tie
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 17:01:22
January 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1256
On January 19 2013 01:59 najreteip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade

He loses on either set of traditional tiebreakers. Mapscore = last place. head to head we had moonglade > Grubby > TLO > moonglade which would then go to map score meaning moonglade is out again. I don't see how it's unfair

Well obviously map score is the first factor, and here TLO has the highest net map score, however, net mapscores for Grubby and Moonglade are equal, they are merely advancing Grubby because he has 1 more win than Moonglade, while Moonglade has a higher winratio(6/11>7/13). Moonglade also won the head to head.


I didnt notice it was 7-6 vs 6-5 i thought Grubby was 7-5 off the top of my head. I guess it depends if the rules state win % or win count after win-loss difference. It appears they choose win count
On January 19 2013 02:00 Notam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade


How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol.


Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through.

head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade

TLO is +4 F/A, while Glade and Grubby are +1 F/A, so it's isn't really a 3-way tie

I was talking about 3 way tie in series score (3-2)
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 17:02:19
January 18 2013 17:01 GMT
#1257
On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade


How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol.


Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through.

head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade

Yes, in the 3way tie no head2head is possible, so TLO is best by mapscore.
Grubby and Moonglade are equal in map difference, so you can make a new tiebreaker between those 2 and then moonglade advances by head2head. Many tournaments do it that way.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10093 Posts
January 18 2013 17:02 GMT
#1258
i also thinks is unfair to glade to be eliminated like this, i can think of two options when two players "tie" like this:

1. Bo3 match

2. winner of the match between tied players advance
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
January 18 2013 17:02 GMT
#1259
On January 19 2013 02:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 01:59 najreteip wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:
IntelExtremeMasters ‏@IEM
Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice

Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler +
<3 Grubby
but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade

He loses on either set of traditional tiebreakers. Mapscore = last place. head to head we had moonglade > Grubby > TLO > moonglade which would then go to map score meaning moonglade is out again. I don't see how it's unfair

Well obviously map score is the first factor, and here TLO has the highest net map score, however, net mapscores for Grubby and Moonglade are equal, they are merely advancing Grubby because he has 1 more win than Moonglade, while Moonglade has a higher winratio(6/11>7/13). Moonglade also won the head to head.


I didnt notice it was 7-6 vs 6-5 i thought Grubby was 7-5 off the top of my head. I guess it depends if the rules state win % or win count after win-loss difference. It appears they choose win count

In the end, the rules are what they are, I'm sure all players know them beforehand as well. It's still somewhat peculiar that they chose to do things this way, but I'm sure they have their reasons
I have no quote!
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
January 18 2013 17:03 GMT
#1260
On January 19 2013 02:00 Tigi wrote:
How did Nerchio diestar end ? I missed it


Nerchio pushed in with about 15-20 roaches and about 6-8 queens. Nonstop transfuse. Diestar pulls SCVs. Still not enough to hold. GG
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