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On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol. Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through. head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade
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On January 19 2013 01:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol. But 6 is more than 5 as well.
True, but the rules apparently say wins are more important. nothing unfair about it, everybody knows (well should know) them before entering.
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I love that Grubby advanced, but it seems like a really bad system that he advanced over moonglade.
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On January 19 2013 01:57 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:53 OKMarius wrote:On January 19 2013 01:50 o)_Saurus wrote:On January 19 2013 01:50 Xoronius wrote:On January 19 2013 01:49 Nick! wrote: So Dream/Grubby/TLO advance? Dream/TLO/Moonglade, if my math is correct (Glade and Grubby both at +1, Glade > Grubby in H2H). total maps won counts higher as h2h afaik. So Grubby advances 3rd over moonglade. Really? If that's the case, then that rule makes no sense. 7-6 isn't better than 6-5. It is better. An extreme example would be 70-60 and 60-50, +10 gets worth more the more games were played.
Totally not. You think 70-60 is more impressive than 20-10 (or 11-1)?
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On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol. Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through. head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade
Oh right. Okay yeah good stuff.
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Grubby <3
still odd system
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On January 19 2013 01:57 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:53 OKMarius wrote:On January 19 2013 01:50 o)_Saurus wrote:On January 19 2013 01:50 Xoronius wrote:On January 19 2013 01:49 Nick! wrote: So Dream/Grubby/TLO advance? Dream/TLO/Moonglade, if my math is correct (Glade and Grubby both at +1, Glade > Grubby in H2H). total maps won counts higher as h2h afaik. So Grubby advances 3rd over moonglade. Really? If that's the case, then that rule makes no sense. 7-6 isn't better than 6-5. It is better. An extreme example would be 70-60 and 60-50, +10 gets worth more the more games were played. An even more extreme example: 1-0 vs 10-9. According to you, 10-9 is better.
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Nice try Golden
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On January 19 2013 01:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade He loses on either set of traditional tiebreakers. Mapscore = last place. head to head we had moonglade > Grubby > TLO > moonglade which would then go to map score meaning moonglade is out again. I don't see how it's unfair Well obviously map score is the first factor, and here TLO has the highest net map score, however, net mapscores for Grubby and Moonglade are equal, they are merely advancing Grubby because he has 1 more win than Moonglade, while Moonglade has a higher winratio(6/11>7/13). Moonglade also won the head to head.
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On January 19 2013 01:58 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol. But 6 is more than 5 as well. True, but the rules apparently say wins are more important. nothing unfair about it, everybody knows (well should know) them before entering.
Both players have the same mapscore of +1. Grubby has won more maps total. Grubby goes through.
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How did Nerchio diestar end ? I missed it
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On January 19 2013 01:59 Nine Gates wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:57 Musicus wrote:On January 19 2013 01:53 OKMarius wrote:On January 19 2013 01:50 o)_Saurus wrote:On January 19 2013 01:50 Xoronius wrote:On January 19 2013 01:49 Nick! wrote: So Dream/Grubby/TLO advance? Dream/TLO/Moonglade, if my math is correct (Glade and Grubby both at +1, Glade > Grubby in H2H). total maps won counts higher as h2h afaik. So Grubby advances 3rd over moonglade. Really? If that's the case, then that rule makes no sense. 7-6 isn't better than 6-5. It is better. An extreme example would be 70-60 and 60-50, +10 gets worth more the more games were played. An even more extreme example: 1-0 vs 10-9. According to you, 10-9 is better.
You are all overthinking this, they both played the same amount of matches, and Grubby won more games.
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Yo, Kas, there are islands on this map! -.- Just take one, you even have a raven.
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So many people bad at maths lol.
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On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol. Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through. head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade TLO is +4 F/A, while Glade and Grubby are +1 F/A, so it's isn't really a 3-way tie
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United States97274 Posts
On January 19 2013 01:59 najreteip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade He loses on either set of traditional tiebreakers. Mapscore = last place. head to head we had moonglade > Grubby > TLO > moonglade which would then go to map score meaning moonglade is out again. I don't see how it's unfair Well obviously map score is the first factor, and here TLO has the highest net map score, however, net mapscores for Grubby and Moonglade are equal, they are merely advancing Grubby because he has 1 more win than Moonglade, while Moonglade has a higher winratio(6/11>7/13). Moonglade also won the head to head. I didnt notice it was 7-6 vs 6-5 i thought Grubby was 7-5 off the top of my head. I guess it depends if the rules state win % or win count after win-loss difference. It appears they choose win count
On January 19 2013 02:00 Notam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol. Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through. head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade TLO is +4 F/A, while Glade and Grubby are +1 F/A, so it's isn't really a 3-way tie I was talking about 3 way tie in series score (3-2)
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On January 19 2013 01:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:57 TheDougler wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 Nick! wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade How does it not? 7 is more than 6 lol. Head to head makes waaay more sense to me. But agreed that I'm glad Grubby made it through. head to head in this 3 way tie scenario would still go to mapscore since moonglade > grubby > tlo > moonglade Yes, in the 3way tie no head2head is possible, so TLO is best by mapscore. Grubby and Moonglade are equal in map difference, so you can make a new tiebreaker between those 2 and then moonglade advances by head2head. Many tournaments do it that way.
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i also thinks is unfair to glade to be eliminated like this, i can think of two options when two players "tie" like this:
1. Bo3 match
2. winner of the match between tied players advance
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On January 19 2013 02:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:59 najreteip wrote:On January 19 2013 01:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 19 2013 01:55 najreteip wrote:IntelExtremeMasters @IEM Dream wins Group B, followed by TLO and Grubby. #IEM #Katowice Strange rule, I'm not complaining + Show Spoiler + but this doesn't really seem fair to Moonglade He loses on either set of traditional tiebreakers. Mapscore = last place. head to head we had moonglade > Grubby > TLO > moonglade which would then go to map score meaning moonglade is out again. I don't see how it's unfair Well obviously map score is the first factor, and here TLO has the highest net map score, however, net mapscores for Grubby and Moonglade are equal, they are merely advancing Grubby because he has 1 more win than Moonglade, while Moonglade has a higher winratio(6/11>7/13). Moonglade also won the head to head. I didnt notice it was 7-6 vs 6-5 i thought Grubby was 7-5 off the top of my head. I guess it depends if the rules state win % or win count after win-loss difference. It appears they choose win count In the end, the rules are what they are, I'm sure all players know them beforehand as well. It's still somewhat peculiar that they chose to do things this way, but I'm sure they have their reasons
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On January 19 2013 02:00 Tigi wrote: How did Nerchio diestar end ? I missed it
Nerchio pushed in with about 15-20 roaches and about 6-8 queens. Nonstop transfuse. Diestar pulls SCVs. Still not enough to hold. GG
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