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poor kid has zero crisis management. Hydra just picks him apart
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kop probly would have won that if he had base traded during the first ling drop
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On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?
Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre. Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one. what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy? Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something) Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw I obviously know this  I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are.
Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1
Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby
Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs
Players who fell out of Code A last season: Jangbi, Rain, Mini, Classic, Hyvaa
Players who failed to qualify for Code A by losing the final match last season: Bisang, Dear, check, Paralyze, Zero, Jaehoon, Free, Alone, s2, hoejja
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seems like hydra is trying to get a phantom win-a-set-without-infestors proleague achievement
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You might be watching a game on Arkanoid when: 13 minute ling drops win the game.
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you know, looking at Khan's lineup. I'm surprised they don't win more.
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Really smart play by hydra. I don't watch that much proleague but ive seen a couple zergs now go completely infestorless BL rush vs mech, seems powerful, and it is even better than usual on Arkanoid.
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On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?
Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre. Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one. what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy? Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something) Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs
I don't understand what you're trying to say...?
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On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now.
Unrefined and crude? Perhaps. But these players are far from bad. Just because they haven't mastered the game in a few months doesn't mean they are worse than randoms on bnet.
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Those drops really seem to favor the map. Sometimes I feel like the weird strategies we see "only on the ladder" are shown, not because of the skill of these "pros", but because the map favors them. Also, if you think about it, it's a way to mindgame your opponents, since they've mostly been practicing against standard builds. That doesn't mean these guys don't make a lot of mistakes, though.
But nice game regardless.
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Lol, so yeah. Kop just went mech without building turrets or sensor towers... On Arkanoid....
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On December 30 2012 15:52 HanFuzi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now. Unrefined and crude? Perhaps. But these players are far from bad. Just because they haven't mastered the game in a few months doesn't mean they are worse than randoms on bnet.
That "few months of practice" excuse was old a year ago.
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On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?
Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre. Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one. what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy? Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something) Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...?
I think he's saying that that is pretty good representation at the GSL level (highest esf). so obviously some Kespa guys are really competitive with the best GSL players. which means they are, in general, competitive as a whole against esf players, skill wise.
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On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now.
Think this way.
Good kespa players are on par with good esf players.
Bad kespa players are on par with bad esf players.
I think whats confusing you is that bad kespa players need to play in this format, while
esf focus more on individual leagues.
And team play is all-kill format.
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On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?
Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre. Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one. what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy? Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something) Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...?
So playing the game would help me imagine skyhigh's mistake in his composition lol? This makes no sense
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So why did Shine shave his head?
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On December 30 2012 15:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?
Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre. Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one. what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy? Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something) Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...? I think he's saying that that is pretty good representation at the GSL level (highest esf). so obviously some Kespa guys are really competitive with the best GSL players. which means they are, in general, competitive as a whole against esf players, skill wise.
That logic is so flawed. Yes, the top Kespa players can compete with the top eSF players. But right now, the 30th eSF player is much better than the 30th Kespa player.
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Ok, I really don't like the caster that doesn't speak English as well... Hes always such a dick to the other caster, totally publicly too. It's almost unacceptable, I would have some choice words for him after the cast -_-
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