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GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
December 30 2012 06:35 GMT
#201
On December 30 2012 15:35 HanFuzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:32 GhostKorean wrote:
All-kill is nice because you get to see good players

all-kill is basically a one-man-team fest

not really
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
December 30 2012 06:36 GMT
#202
On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)

Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw



I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
December 30 2012 06:36 GMT
#203
On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)

Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw



I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this.

BO1 can get pretty cheesy. Makes this format very interesting.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 30 2012 06:37 GMT
#204
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)


Well, this is PL so only Kespa teams and players (besides EGTL) play here. So the players played here are the best Kespa players. In terms of skill, the range is quite big. There are some players who are Code S level, some Code A and some not very good. But this is the case for some eSF teams as well.
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
December 30 2012 06:37 GMT
#205
On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)

Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw



I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this.


How is ladder rank indicative of skill?..
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
December 30 2012 06:37 GMT
#206
On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)

Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw



I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this.

These guys were first class players. They just need a few months to get all of the subtleties down.
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
bankobauss
Profile Joined December 2012
204 Posts
December 30 2012 06:38 GMT
#207
off topic.... my god im never eating fastfood again. had some mcdonalds 6hours ago after not eating fastfood for 2months. god what have i done to my toilet
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 30 2012 06:38 GMT
#208
On December 30 2012 15:35 GhostKorean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:35 HanFuzi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 GhostKorean wrote:
All-kill is nice because you get to see good players

all-kill is basically a one-man-team fest

not really


It is if your team is KT! :3
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
December 30 2012 06:38 GMT
#209
Stork won!!!!!! YES!
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
December 30 2012 06:39 GMT
#210
I wanna see more games so go Hydra =D
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 30 2012 06:39 GMT
#211
On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)

Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw



I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this.


How is ladder rank indicative of skill?..

How is anything indicative of skill?
Refer to my post.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
December 30 2012 06:40 GMT
#212
On December 30 2012 15:35 GhostKorean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:35 HanFuzi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 GhostKorean wrote:
All-kill is nice because you get to see good players

all-kill is basically a one-man-team fest

not really

well sometimes
#TheOneTrueDong
nmetasch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States600 Posts
December 30 2012 06:40 GMT
#213
The ingame sound is too high hard to hear casters...
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
December 30 2012 06:41 GMT
#214
On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)

Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw



I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this.


How is ladder rank indicative of skill?..



??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level.


Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
December 30 2012 06:41 GMT
#215
On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:32 Sadist wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:30 aznkukuboi wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:27 Sadist wrote:
Anyone know how good the guys in PL are? Are they all GM on korean server?

Just curious because sometimes the play looks mediocre.


Bogus/Innovations is top GM. Soulkey is said to be one.



what about guys like stork/jangbi/fantasy?

Im just curious if these guys are actually representative of the best players in korea or if they are playing based on Kespa connections (obviously they have huge potential, but it kinda surprises me that they are in the lineups already if they arent GM in korea or something)

Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw



I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this.


How is ladder rank indicative of skill?..

It's not. I think he means he believes the play that some of the kespa players show wouldn't be good enough to get into GM or high masters on korea, not that being in GM shows you're better than other progamers who aren't.
Maruprime.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 30 2012 06:42 GMT
#216
On December 30 2012 15:29 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 15:27 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:25 Zenbrez wrote:
On December 30 2012 15:24 -Strider- wrote:
I don't know why I feel so excited watching the PL.

Because all kill format sucks (which we're going to see next round )


Wait what why how?


I just have to agree that this format is way better than TeamTaeja format.
Here it needs a real team.


I'm also a bit worried about the fpl experience. Sure you could strike mad gold but all-in-all I don't really see it work out that well. Also my coffee is cold. Grumpy.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
December 30 2012 06:43 GMT
#217
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things.
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
December 30 2012 06:45 GMT
#218
10 minute hive :O
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 06:46:51
December 30 2012 06:45 GMT
#219
nice, Hydra going Muta.

the key to Arkanoid for ZvT is muta





nvm.... goddamnit.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
December 30 2012 06:45 GMT
#220
Fun to see a mech TvZ here!
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