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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2121
On December 16 2012 17:50 casualman wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:49 Hrrrrm wrote:
When are people going to realize Proleague is an entirely different beast of competition. Nothing can compare to the preparation players do for ONE specific map against a specific player. It's beautiful.

Not really. Winner's league format is so much better--at least, GSTL has had a lot better games than proleague has had so far.


You really, like REALLY think that winners league is better than this format? I mean, sure, its your opinion. But... I just dont understand.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
InstantKarma
Profile Joined November 2010
United States205 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2122
EG-TL have stepped into the shoes of Airforce Ace and found that they are reaaaaalllly comfortable.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50386 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:54:29
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2123
On December 16 2012 17:50 Dodgin wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:49 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote:
JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much.....


effort won a starleague

i thought the same thing about hero and hydra
but msl seems pretty op
and if msl is that op
osl gonna fuck jyp in the asshole


bisu is a 3 time MSL champion

jangbi 2 time OSL champion

It's completely irrelevant

protoss is quite irrelevant.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2124
On December 16 2012 17:53 -Strider- wrote:
Was Thorzain sleeping? lol

hahaha i thought so too
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:54:20
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2125
october 20th 2012, JYP played his last game in GSL CODE S.
JYP is only 4pts in FPL.
its the best FPL pick in my opinion.
he did so well for slayer in GSTL

someone_elses_lies@live.fr
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25642 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2126
On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:48 andaylin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:44 andaylin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
[quote]

maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.

Lol, this is funny. let's just keep making GSL formula maps and play that all day.


So you're implying that every non-GSL map do not allow the metagame to play out? That is ridiculous, new maps are fine. Not wonky maps though, not for a legitimate competitive game.

Oh please stop with the metagame thing. I don't want to see the same shit every game and it's obvious these new maps are being well received. Watch some games on the map before you say if doesn't produce competitive games.


Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway.

This is so close to wrong. A real-time strategy game should also reward intuitive, improvised responses to unfamiliar situations. The current 'metagame' that you so seem to love is as much executing your pre-existing plan than actually employing much strategy on the fly.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 16 2012 08:54 GMT
#2127
On December 16 2012 17:52 mrRoflpwn wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


LOL that was funny.

Maybe he was thinking of that guy from SotG
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
December 16 2012 08:54 GMT
#2128
Leta kind of looks like Horang2 now.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:54 GMT
#2129
On December 16 2012 17:53 InstantKarma wrote:
EG-TL have stepped into the shoes of Airforce Ace and found that they are reaaaaalllly comfortable.


ace has won series before
can i get my estro logo back pls
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
December 16 2012 08:54 GMT
#2130
On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:48 andaylin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:44 andaylin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
[quote]

maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.

Lol, this is funny. let's just keep making GSL formula maps and play that all day.


So you're implying that every non-GSL map do not allow the metagame to play out? That is ridiculous, new maps are fine. Not wonky maps though, not for a legitimate competitive game.

Oh please stop with the metagame thing. I don't want to see the same shit every game and it's obvious these new maps are being well received. Watch some games on the map before you say if doesn't produce competitive games.


Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway.


Mindlessly doing the exact same cookie cutter build every single game on every single map is not a developed strategic skillset. Here we see those who prepare for a map, come up with their own strategies, actually adapt and play smart are those who do well.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50386 Posts
December 16 2012 08:54 GMT
#2131
On December 16 2012 17:54 Hier wrote:
Leta kind of looks like Horang2 now.


its like he never retired.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
December 16 2012 08:54 GMT
#2132
6 minute lair, interesting
hell is other people
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 16 2012 08:54 GMT
#2133
what build r this effortttt
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:55 GMT
#2134
On December 16 2012 17:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:54 Hier wrote:
Leta kind of looks like Horang2 now.


its like he never retired.


don't remind me
still hoping i get a tax free trade on him
can i get my estro logo back pls
Resentable
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada132 Posts
December 16 2012 08:55 GMT
#2135
On December 16 2012 17:54 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:52 mrRoflpwn wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


LOL that was funny.

Maybe he was thinking of that guy from SotG


JP McDaniel could totally have a spot on EGTL with that Top 3 Skype Control
"For you are life, rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of Heisenberg. Come, dry your eyes. And let's go home."
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 16 2012 08:55 GMT
#2136
stargate is Genius indeed
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 16 2012 08:55 GMT
#2137
I wonder if JYP will try phoenix DT on this map again like he did vs HyuN. it was an interesting game but he ended up losing to the hive army because he spent too much money on harassing units and not enough on a real army
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 16 2012 08:55 GMT
#2138


offtopic, but nice pic
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/327110_277120255743922_1326294449_o.jpg
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:55 GMT
#2139
YES STARGATE V SPIRE
can i get my estro logo back pls
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
December 16 2012 08:55 GMT
#2140
JYP is going pheonix vs spire and 3rd base so delayed from effort...... if he loses............. -_-
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