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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:52:28
December 16 2012 08:51 GMT
#2101
On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote:
JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much.....


I'd send JYP out before any of the other EG players currently sitting on those plastic chairs and he's actually pretty good at blocking those lings out too, lol.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
December 16 2012 08:51 GMT
#2102
JYP wins, and HerO takes it on Ohana for the Ace match. I'm calling it right now.
Plat Support Main #believe
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
December 16 2012 08:51 GMT
#2103
Kind of sad to have to root against EffOrt but JYP needs to win this! I hope his legendary PvZ is back in full form!
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:51 GMT
#2104
On December 16 2012 17:50 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:49 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote:
JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much.....


effort won a starleague

i thought the same thing about hero and hydra
but msl seems pretty op
and if msl is that op
osl gonna fuck jyp in the asshole


bisu is a 3 time MSL champion

jangbi 2 time OSL champion

It's completely irrelevant


beesuit is just allergic to sc2
and Jangbi isn't actually that bad
can i get my estro logo back pls
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
December 16 2012 08:51 GMT
#2105
--- Nuked ---
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:53:03
December 16 2012 08:51 GMT
#2106
Alien cheese go!

Ugh, we're going to have to see a long ass PvZ
GuMiho <3
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:52:30
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2107
On December 16 2012 17:50 Havik_ wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:45 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:44 Havik_ wrote:
He lost to THAT?!??!?? When I say Hero is overrated, games like that are why.


That has nothing to do with skill.


It had everything to do with skill. He didn't wall against mass lings. Kids on ladder stop that with a simple wall off.


No, he purposefully didn't wall off because he didn't expect someone to all in him. It's a greedy build that he consciously chose deciding that the zerg probably would not do an all in and would open standard 3 hatch.

It's like saying MVP is overrated because he went 3 CC off 1 barracks and lost to a 4gate he didnt scout

Not skill, it's a way to win and it's a legitimate win but nothing showcased either players skill in the game.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2108
On December 16 2012 17:50 Havik_ wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:45 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:44 Havik_ wrote:
He lost to THAT?!??!?? When I say Hero is overrated, games like that are why.


That has nothing to do with skill.


It had everything to do with skill. He didn't wall against mass lings. Kids on ladder stop that with a simple wall off.

more luck than skill there lol
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:52:18
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2109
On December 16 2012 17:50 Bonejaw wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:42 blacksheepwall wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:41 Grend wrote:
Effort is pretty good right? Doubt well see an ace match.
Hope we do though since JYP is on my fantasy team for some reason..

Why would you put JYP on your fantasy team?


he's pretty cheap and did reasonably well in GSTL back when Slayers and EG were partnered up and was in code s not too long ago at all. i'm not FPL expert by any means but he seems an okay pick to me

Just hoped he would get to play alot of games (since EGTL is kind of thin) and that he´d hopefully win at least some games.
But I have kind of lost all hope for him since then. We´ll see though, we`ll see
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25635 Posts
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2110
On December 16 2012 17:47 Novalisk wrote:
Hydra had hours upon hours of HerO replays to look at. HerO not only knew very little of Hydra, he had very little time to prepare.

I wonder how much the existing players experience may actually count against them. There's a LOT of information there for anybody who wants it, from VoDs to actual stream footage. I love HerO's stream, but perhaps if EGTL is going to take Proleague seriously they may have to look at no longer streaming for a bit.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2111
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean

I don't even.. wat.

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"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2112
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


LOL that was funny.
Long live the Boss Toss!
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2113
On December 16 2012 17:49 opterown wrote:
what were BW twitch/youtube numbers like a few years ago?


Twitch did not exist a few years ago. Basically, there were re-streams by people and videos on Youtube from accounts like Nevake, Violetak and Jon.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Vanadium
Profile Joined December 2012
481 Posts
December 16 2012 08:52 GMT
#2114
On December 16 2012 17:49 monkybone wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:45 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.


Why are you so against different trends on different maps? There is no reason the trends (you call it metagame) should be the same in every match and new trends only develop in response to standard play. There is a lot of depth in having to play different styles to take advantage of maps.


I'm not denying that, all I'm saying that a prerequisite for a legitimate map for a competitive game is one where the metagame is allowed to play out. This can happen on new maps, with new and different features. But not on maps such as arkanoid, where the majority of strategies are useless.


This is a fair point, but I'm not sure it's entirely true. Just because the standard metagame can't play out on Arkanoid, doesn't mean that a different, interesting metagame won't emerge. I'd like seeing SkyToss and SkyTerran (perhaps more once HotS comes out).

It might end up being a complete gimmick, but we won't know for a while.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2115
Bitter dont forget my patented antiga wall!
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2116
On December 16 2012 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:50 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:49 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote:
JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much.....


effort won a starleague

i thought the same thing about hero and hydra
but msl seems pretty op
and if msl is that op
osl gonna fuck jyp in the asshole


bisu is a 3 time MSL champion

jangbi 2 time OSL champion

It's completely irrelevant


beesuit is just allergic to sc2
and Jangbi isn't actually that bad

but Bisu is pretty awful. And Boxer was forced to retire completely.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2117
On December 16 2012 17:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Novalisk wrote:
Hydra had hours upon hours of HerO replays to look at. HerO not only knew very little of Hydra, he had very little time to prepare.

I wonder how much the existing players experience may actually count against them. There's a LOT of information there for anybody who wants it, from VoDs to actual stream footage. I love HerO's stream, but perhaps if EGTL is going to take Proleague seriously they may have to look at no longer streaming for a bit.


there's a reason why proleague teams made such a big deal about streaming and even replays
can i get my estro logo back pls
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2118
Was Thorzain sleeping? lol
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2119
On December 16 2012 17:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Novalisk wrote:
Hydra had hours upon hours of HerO replays to look at. HerO not only knew very little of Hydra, he had very little time to prepare.

I wonder how much the existing players experience may actually count against them. There's a LOT of information there for anybody who wants it, from VoDs to actual stream footage. I love HerO's stream, but perhaps if EGTL is going to take Proleague seriously they may have to look at no longer streaming for a bit.


Amen.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 16 2012 08:53 GMT
#2120
On December 16 2012 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:50 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:49 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote:
JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much.....


effort won a starleague

i thought the same thing about hero and hydra
but msl seems pretty op
and if msl is that op
osl gonna fuck jyp in the asshole


bisu is a 3 time MSL champion

jangbi 2 time OSL champion

It's completely irrelevant


beesuit is just allergic to sc2
and Jangbi isn't actually that bad


jangbi is quite bad...compared to other pros of course
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