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On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote: JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much.....
I'd send JYP out before any of the other EG players currently sitting on those plastic chairs and he's actually pretty good at blocking those lings out too, lol.
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JYP wins, and HerO takes it on Ohana for the Ace match. I'm calling it right now.
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Kind of sad to have to root against EffOrt but JYP needs to win this! I hope his legendary PvZ is back in full form!
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On December 16 2012 17:50 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:49 aRyuujin wrote:On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote: JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much..... effort won a starleague i thought the same thing about hero and hydra but msl seems pretty op and if msl is that op osl gonna fuck jyp in the asshole bisu is a 3 time MSL champion jangbi 2 time OSL champion It's completely irrelevant
beesuit is just allergic to sc2 and Jangbi isn't actually that bad
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Alien cheese go!
Ugh, we're going to have to see a long ass PvZ
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On December 16 2012 17:50 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:45 GreyKnight wrote:On December 16 2012 17:44 Havik_ wrote: He lost to THAT?!??!?? When I say Hero is overrated, games like that are why. That has nothing to do with skill. It had everything to do with skill. He didn't wall against mass lings. Kids on ladder stop that with a simple wall off.
No, he purposefully didn't wall off because he didn't expect someone to all in him. It's a greedy build that he consciously chose deciding that the zerg probably would not do an all in and would open standard 3 hatch.
It's like saying MVP is overrated because he went 3 CC off 1 barracks and lost to a 4gate he didnt scout
Not skill, it's a way to win and it's a legitimate win but nothing showcased either players skill in the game.
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Australia54784 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:50 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:45 GreyKnight wrote:On December 16 2012 17:44 Havik_ wrote: He lost to THAT?!??!?? When I say Hero is overrated, games like that are why. That has nothing to do with skill. It had everything to do with skill. He didn't wall against mass lings. Kids on ladder stop that with a simple wall off. more luck than skill there lol
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On December 16 2012 17:50 Bonejaw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:42 blacksheepwall wrote:On December 16 2012 17:41 Grend wrote: Effort is pretty good right? Doubt well see an ace match. Hope we do though since JYP is on my fantasy team for some reason.. Why would you put JYP on your fantasy team? he's pretty cheap and did reasonably well in GSTL back when Slayers and EG were partnered up and was in code s not too long ago at all. i'm not FPL expert by any means but he seems an okay pick to me Just hoped he would get to play alot of games (since EGTL is kind of thin) and that he´d hopefully win at least some games. But I have kind of lost all hope for him since then. We´ll see though, we`ll see
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Northern Ireland23825 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:47 Novalisk wrote: Hydra had hours upon hours of HerO replays to look at. HerO not only knew very little of Hydra, he had very little time to prepare. I wonder how much the existing players experience may actually count against them. There's a LOT of information there for anybody who wants it, from VoDs to actual stream footage. I love HerO's stream, but perhaps if EGTL is going to take Proleague seriously they may have to look at no longer streaming for a bit.
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On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote: man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean I don't even.. wat.
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On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote: man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean JYP is also Korean... ;-)
LOL that was funny.
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On December 16 2012 17:49 opterown wrote: what were BW twitch/youtube numbers like a few years ago?
Twitch did not exist a few years ago. Basically, there were re-streams by people and videos on Youtube from accounts like Nevake, Violetak and Jon.
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On December 16 2012 17:49 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:45 shabby wrote:On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote: A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map. maps make the metagame metagame shouldn't make the maps Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle. New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth. Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth. Not when the metagame is thrown out the window. especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window. No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth. Why are you so against different trends on different maps? There is no reason the trends (you call it metagame) should be the same in every match and new trends only develop in response to standard play. There is a lot of depth in having to play different styles to take advantage of maps. I'm not denying that, all I'm saying that a prerequisite for a legitimate map for a competitive game is one where the metagame is allowed to play out. This can happen on new maps, with new and different features. But not on maps such as arkanoid, where the majority of strategies are useless.
This is a fair point, but I'm not sure it's entirely true. Just because the standard metagame can't play out on Arkanoid, doesn't mean that a different, interesting metagame won't emerge. I'd like seeing SkyToss and SkyTerran (perhaps more once HotS comes out).
It might end up being a complete gimmick, but we won't know for a while.
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On December 16 2012 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:50 Dodgin wrote:On December 16 2012 17:49 aRyuujin wrote:On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote: JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much..... effort won a starleague i thought the same thing about hero and hydra but msl seems pretty op and if msl is that op osl gonna fuck jyp in the asshole bisu is a 3 time MSL champion jangbi 2 time OSL champion It's completely irrelevant beesuit is just allergic to sc2 and Jangbi isn't actually that bad but Bisu is pretty awful. And Boxer was forced to retire completely.
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On December 16 2012 17:52 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:47 Novalisk wrote: Hydra had hours upon hours of HerO replays to look at. HerO not only knew very little of Hydra, he had very little time to prepare. I wonder how much the existing players experience may actually count against them. There's a LOT of information there for anybody who wants it, from VoDs to actual stream footage. I love HerO's stream, but perhaps if EGTL is going to take Proleague seriously they may have to look at no longer streaming for a bit.
there's a reason why proleague teams made such a big deal about streaming and even replays
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Was Thorzain sleeping? lol
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On December 16 2012 17:52 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:47 Novalisk wrote: Hydra had hours upon hours of HerO replays to look at. HerO not only knew very little of Hydra, he had very little time to prepare. I wonder how much the existing players experience may actually count against them. There's a LOT of information there for anybody who wants it, from VoDs to actual stream footage. I love HerO's stream, but perhaps if EGTL is going to take Proleague seriously they may have to look at no longer streaming for a bit.
Amen.
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On December 16 2012 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:50 Dodgin wrote:On December 16 2012 17:49 aRyuujin wrote:On December 16 2012 17:49 j4vz wrote: JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much..... effort won a starleague i thought the same thing about hero and hydra but msl seems pretty op and if msl is that op osl gonna fuck jyp in the asshole bisu is a 3 time MSL champion jangbi 2 time OSL champion It's completely irrelevant beesuit is just allergic to sc2 and Jangbi isn't actually that bad
jangbi is quite bad...compared to other pros of course
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