• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:19
CET 18:19
KST 02:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1811 users

[SPL] CJ Entus vs. EG-TL R1 - Page 159

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 157 158 159
terriBean
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada75 Posts
December 16 2012 21:24 GMT
#3161
On December 17 2012 06:11 JeffGoldblum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 06:07 terriBean wrote:
On December 17 2012 06:04 JeffGoldblum wrote:
On December 17 2012 05:37 terriBean wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the KeSPA maps are horribly imbalanced? Look at Arkanoid for example...


Could you elaborate?


It's practically an island map + very choke heavy. Looks like it's dominated by run-bys and quick units like Muta.


Are you basing that on Thorzain's game? Because he clearly didn't prepare for and it never crossed his mind that a big run by would happen considering the way he played.


My main concern is how balanced can their maps really be if they're essentially just porting them over from BW? SC2 is a completely different game with different mechanics.
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
December 16 2012 21:24 GMT
#3162
On December 17 2012 06:07 terriBean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 06:04 JeffGoldblum wrote:
On December 17 2012 05:37 terriBean wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the KeSPA maps are horribly imbalanced? Look at Arkanoid for example...


Could you elaborate?


It's practically an island map + very choke heavy. Looks like it's dominated by run-bys and quick units like Muta.


It doenst matter "the balance" of the map, this is Proleague, every team can choose the player they want, if the map is Zerg favoured they will send a Zerg, others team thinks is Terran favored , they send Terran. There is no unfairness.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
December 16 2012 22:49 GMT
#3163
On December 17 2012 06:24 terriBean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 06:11 JeffGoldblum wrote:
On December 17 2012 06:07 terriBean wrote:
On December 17 2012 06:04 JeffGoldblum wrote:
On December 17 2012 05:37 terriBean wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the KeSPA maps are horribly imbalanced? Look at Arkanoid for example...


Could you elaborate?


It's practically an island map + very choke heavy. Looks like it's dominated by run-bys and quick units like Muta.


Are you basing that on Thorzain's game? Because he clearly didn't prepare for and it never crossed his mind that a big run by would happen considering the way he played.


My main concern is how balanced can their maps really be if they're essentially just porting them over from BW? SC2 is a completely different game with different mechanics.


There were a ton of crazy maps throughout the years in BW that basically became just mirror matchups. It adds flavor. It's not for everyone but everyone knows about the map going into it. This isn't a Bo3 with a horribly imbalanced map thus giving one side potentially an advantage. Teams can decide what race they want to play on any given map to give them the best advantages. If the games prove to be boring or horrible the map will vanish eventually. I would rather see them continue to try and inject some variance than what's been SC2 the past year.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 17 2012 01:08 GMT
#3164
On December 16 2012 18:53 opterown wrote:
so PL weekend is not quite over yet!

[SPL] KT Rolster vs. Woongjin Stars R1 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17222393
[SPL] Team 8 vs. SKT T1 R1 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17222452

LRs for tomorrow, anyone wanna? :D

bump!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 01:10:32
December 17 2012 01:09 GMT
#3165
not every map has to be balanced for all races. that's the point of proleague, part of the strategy is being able to choose which player/race you want to play on which map.

aka if a coach plays a zerg in zvp on a map where zerg has a 10% win rate. then the coach is fucking retarded
The Notorious Winkles
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 01:34:01
December 17 2012 01:33 GMT
#3166
On December 17 2012 10:09 rysecake wrote:
not every map has to be balanced for all races. that's the point of proleague, part of the strategy is being able to choose which player/race you want to play on which map.

aka if a coach plays a zerg in zvp on a map where zerg has a 10% win rate. then the coach is fucking retarded

Or maybe they are a ZvP sniper and the coach thinks that they will defeat the PvT sniper that will surely come out on this map that was chosen to defeat the terran that will surely come out on this map because terrans have a 60% win percentage on the map.
I do agree that the maps add a level of strategy to the choices made for players. I for one don't want to see completely random matches every single game.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
December 17 2012 01:53 GMT
#3167
omgggggggggggg go jyp!! this is what i thought would happen lol but i didn't posts o i can't talk

OK I"LL LR Omg both of those matches look so good!
youtube.com/xmungam ~~ twitch.tv/thenessman
sinigang
Profile Joined August 2012
360 Posts
December 17 2012 02:29 GMT
#3168
Basically, Koreans still > Foreigners. lol.
JohnAdams
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States111 Posts
December 17 2012 02:31 GMT
#3169
That was a very noble attempt from EGTL to win; maybe they can pull it off next week.
'Murica!
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
December 17 2012 02:31 GMT
#3170
Wow effort was SO behind in upgrades in his game vs JYP.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
December 17 2012 03:19 GMT
#3171
time for a full korean line-up
Incredible Miracle
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 17 2012 03:23 GMT
#3172
naoooooooo so close need stephano
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
December 17 2012 05:17 GMT
#3173
Still no thread of today's matches?
KT Rolster vs Woongjin Stars
Team 8 vs SK Telecom T1

Anyone?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 17 2012 05:35 GMT
#3174
On December 17 2012 14:17 larse wrote:
Still no thread of today's matches?
KT Rolster vs Woongjin Stars
Team 8 vs SK Telecom T1

Anyone?


LR noob to the rescue D:
AdministratorBreak the chains
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
December 17 2012 20:55 GMT
#3175
I'm trying to watch the English-language VODs on Twitch. I have a paid account for sc2proleague, and I had no trouble watching a stream, but I cannot watch the VODs. Is there some plugin I'm missing or something?
Hi Mom
PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
December 17 2012 21:00 GMT
#3176
Hey Thorzain! Watch out for SonGDuri hes a beast! ;]
http://twitter.com/PiQLiQ
Prev 1 157 158 159
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 18h 41m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 256
IndyStarCraft 169
BRAT_OK 109
MindelVK 22
DivinesiaTV 21
StarCraft: Brood War
EffOrt 720
actioN 226
ggaemo 95
Hyun 82
sorry 81
hero 75
Snow 56
yabsab 41
Mind 38
soO 35
[ Show more ]
Yoon 32
ToSsGirL 29
HiyA 20
910 18
zelot 16
ivOry 10
Barracks 0
Dota 2
syndereN1040
BananaSlamJamma462
League of Legends
Trikslyr59
Counter-Strike
allub150
byalli112
Other Games
FrodaN2305
fl0m726
Beastyqt709
hiko566
Lowko383
Fuzer 346
DeMusliM220
XaKoH 113
Mew2King89
nookyyy 17
RushiSC15
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 55
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1273
League of Legends
• Nemesis2799
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
18h 41m
Gerald vs YoungYakov
Spirit vs MaNa
SHIN vs Percival
Creator vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 15h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 18h
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.