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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2061
On December 16 2012 17:42 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Effort is good at ZvP.
However, I hope for JYP.


Except he's not good at ZvP....
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2062
On December 16 2012 17:46 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote:
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational

That was some time ago though, Effort has fallen behind since then.


The WCS matches that he quoted were a lot longer ago though. And at the MGL tour he defeated Naniwa, Sase, HuK, Crank and Oz with 2:0
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2063
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2064
On December 16 2012 17:47 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote:
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational

1-1 grubby
2-0 nani
2-0 sase
2-0 huk
2-0 oz
2-0 crank
2-0 mc
1-1 alicia

not bad


well
shit
can i get my estro logo back pls
booksmartguy
Profile Joined December 2012
United States45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:48:40
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2065
On December 16 2012 17:45 Chriscras wrote:
16k is really good but you guys are all dorks, the only real rating that matters is the one on Korean TV :D


Shine some light on that for us plz, is there some TV ratings for proleague available right now? Definitely not as good as BW proleague, but plz don't be horrible.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1955 Posts
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2066
On December 16 2012 17:45 shabby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.



No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.


Why are you so against different trends on different maps? There is no reason the trends (you call it metagame) should be the same in every match and new trends only develop in response to standard play. There is a lot of depth in having to play different styles to take advantage of maps.

Yeah, I agree with Shabby; it's the maps that define and create the meta-game, so it's okay to have slightly or even sometimes vastly meta-games on different maps. Generally, however, games will be relatively the same, with the weird maps really only making the game more entertaining to play and watch.
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:49:34
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2067
JYP might have a chance: Effort is 0-5 vP lol

...in korea...
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2068
On December 16 2012 17:47 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:43 coasts wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

Yes (110)
 
63%

No (61)
 
35%

If you have time (4)
 
2%

175 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


so uh do we not like hero or something lol


We are rating the game, not the players.

usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it


I don't think hero fans watch proleague

Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting.

At least 16000 people are watching right now.

+ youtube channel + vlc + korean websites
it's safe to assume it's over 20K, which is pretty awesome


+ this is mainly directed at the Korean audience.
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2069
On December 16 2012 17:48 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote:
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational

1-1 grubby
2-0 nani
2-0 sase
2-0 huk
2-0 oz
2-0 crank
2-0 mc
1-1 alicia

not bad


well
shit

to be fair, it is the mlg vs kespa invitational. No one cared.
GuMiho <3
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2070
On December 16 2012 17:44 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:43 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

Yes (110)
 
63%

No (61)
 
35%

If you have time (4)
 
2%

175 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


so uh do we not like hero or something lol


We are rating the game, not the players.

usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it


I don't think hero fans watch proleague

Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting.


more people are watching this live than any of the GSL nights where they broadcasted on twitch.

GSL is only ~10k right? or was it actually less on twitch


maybe 14k at most, most of the time 10-12k.

Most people that buy the GSL pass actually watch vods because we dont like staying up at night. Gom has a great vod system + you can choose what matches you want to see depending on how much time you have. =]
Long live the Boss Toss!
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2071
On December 16 2012 17:47 Khaldor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:46 Integra wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote:
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational

That was some time ago though, Effort has fallen behind since then.


The WCS matches that he quoted were a lot longer ago though. And at the MGL tour he defeated Naniwa, Sase, HuK, Crank and Oz with 2:0

We shall see!
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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#2072
On December 16 2012 17:46 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:44 andaylin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.

Lol, this is funny. let's just keep making GSL formula maps and play that all day.


So you're implying that every non-GSL map do not allow the metagame to play out? That is ridiculous, new maps are fine. Not wonky maps though, not for a legitimate competitive game.

Oh please stop with the metagame thing. I don't want to see the same shit every game and it's obvious these new maps are being well received. Watch some games on the map before you say if doesn't produce competitive games.
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2073
--- Nuked ---
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2074
JYP was code S in september 2012 guys, jesus people are underestimating him so much.....
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17677 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2075
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean

they're both korean?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2076
what were BW twitch/youtube numbers like a few years ago?
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wanted2brek
Profile Joined December 2012
10 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2077

17000 people watching this on twitch when america is in sleepy-sleepy-time is extremely good for the future of starcraft 2. it means tons of people out there, 17000 of them, still enjoy a heavy skill game compared to LoL, and if a major tournament like a huge MLG is in america during primetime hours with a single stream with players like flash/jaedong on it i bet it could get over 80k viewers. MLG runs 4+ streams but damn if they tried running a MLG with just 1 free stream and multiple premiums, the free stream would get 80+k to be a nice shiny number
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2078
On December 16 2012 17:47 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:45 Tsutchie wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:43 booksmartguy wrote:
I think this is a reactional strategy by Hydra.


hydra just said in the QnA that it was planned.

Sounds like he's just talking up some mind game. He went 3-hatch after all.


You must have never seen this build before. That's pretty much exactly how it's done, 3rd hatch and all.
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2079
On December 16 2012 17:47 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:45 Tsutchie wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:43 booksmartguy wrote:
I think this is a reactional strategy by Hydra.


hydra just said in the QnA that it was planned.

Sounds like he's just talking up some mind game. He went 3-hatch after all.


he said that P loves to bring out the first zealot to harrass. if he didnt make that hatch hero wouldnt have fallen for the trap. but not only did hero not wall in. he sent his first 2 zealots out to harras an empty 3rd.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#2080
On December 16 2012 17:48 haka wrote:
JYP might have a chance: Effort is 0-5 vP lol


Those stats are a bit misleading.
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