On December 16 2012 17:42 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Effort is good at ZvP.
However, I hope for JYP.
Effort is good at ZvP.
However, I hope for JYP.
Except he's not good at ZvP....
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:42 Prince_Stranger wrote: Effort is good at ZvP. However, I hope for JYP. Except he's not good at ZvP.... | ||
Khaldor
Germany861 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:46 Integra wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote: Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational That was some time ago though, Effort has fallen behind since then. The WCS matches that he quoted were a lot longer ago though. And at the MGL tour he defeated Naniwa, Sase, HuK, Crank and Oz with 2:0 | ||
Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote: man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean JYP is also Korean... ;-) | ||
aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:47 opterown wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote: Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational 1-1 grubby 2-0 nani 2-0 sase 2-0 huk 2-0 oz 2-0 crank 2-0 mc 1-1 alicia not bad well shit | ||
booksmartguy
United States45 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:45 Chriscras wrote: 16k is really good but you guys are all dorks, the only real rating that matters is the one on Korean TV :D Shine some light on that for us plz, is there some TV ratings for proleague available right now? Definitely not as good as BW proleague, but plz don't be horrible. | ||
Just_a_Moth
Canada1941 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:45 shabby wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote: On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote: On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote: On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote: On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote: On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote: A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map. maps make the metagame metagame shouldn't make the maps Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle. New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth. Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth. Not when the metagame is thrown out the window. especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window. No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth. Why are you so against different trends on different maps? There is no reason the trends (you call it metagame) should be the same in every match and new trends only develop in response to standard play. There is a lot of depth in having to play different styles to take advantage of maps. Yeah, I agree with Shabby; it's the maps that define and create the meta-game, so it's okay to have slightly or even sometimes vastly meta-games on different maps. Generally, however, games will be relatively the same, with the weird maps really only making the game more entertaining to play and watch. | ||
haka
United States1414 Posts
...in korea... | ||
Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:47 Arceus wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:43 coasts wrote: On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote: On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote: On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote: On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote: On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote: On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote: so uh do we not like hero or something lol We are rating the game, not the players. usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it I don't think hero fans watch proleague Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting. At least 16000 people are watching right now. + youtube channel + vlc + korean websites it's safe to assume it's over 20K, which is pretty awesome + this is mainly directed at the Korean audience. | ||
casualman
United States1198 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:48 aRyuujin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:47 opterown wrote: On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote: Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational 1-1 grubby 2-0 nani 2-0 sase 2-0 huk 2-0 oz 2-0 crank 2-0 mc 1-1 alicia not bad well shit to be fair, it is the mlg vs kespa invitational. No one cared. | ||
mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:44 Dodgin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:43 Shellshock1122 wrote: On December 16 2012 17:43 Dodgin wrote: On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote: On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote: On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote: On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote: On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote: On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote: so uh do we not like hero or something lol We are rating the game, not the players. usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it I don't think hero fans watch proleague Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting. more people are watching this live than any of the GSL nights where they broadcasted on twitch. GSL is only ~10k right? or was it actually less on twitch maybe 14k at most, most of the time 10-12k. Most people that buy the GSL pass actually watch vods because we dont like staying up at night. Gom has a great vod system + you can choose what matches you want to see depending on how much time you have. =] | ||
Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:47 Khaldor wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:46 Integra wrote: On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote: Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational That was some time ago though, Effort has fallen behind since then. The WCS matches that he quoted were a lot longer ago though. And at the MGL tour he defeated Naniwa, Sase, HuK, Crank and Oz with 2:0 We shall see! | ||
andaylin
United States10830 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:46 monkybone wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:44 andaylin wrote: On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote: On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote: On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote: On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote: On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote: On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote: A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map. maps make the metagame metagame shouldn't make the maps Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle. New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth. Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth. Not when the metagame is thrown out the window. especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window. No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth. Lol, this is funny. let's just keep making GSL formula maps and play that all day. So you're implying that every non-GSL map do not allow the metagame to play out? That is ridiculous, new maps are fine. Not wonky maps though, not for a legitimate competitive game. Oh please stop with the metagame thing. I don't want to see the same shit every game and it's obvious these new maps are being well received. Watch some games on the map before you say if doesn't produce competitive games. | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17588 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote: man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean they're both korean? | ||
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wanted2brek
10 Posts
17000 people watching this on twitch when america is in sleepy-sleepy-time is extremely good for the future of starcraft 2. it means tons of people out there, 17000 of them, still enjoy a heavy skill game compared to LoL, and if a major tournament like a huge MLG is in america during primetime hours with a single stream with players like flash/jaedong on it i bet it could get over 80k viewers. MLG runs 4+ streams but damn if they tried running a MLG with just 1 free stream and multiple premiums, the free stream would get 80+k to be a nice shiny number | ||
templar rage
United States2509 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:47 ssxsilver wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:45 Tsutchie wrote: On December 16 2012 17:43 booksmartguy wrote: I think this is a reactional strategy by Hydra. hydra just said in the QnA that it was planned. Sounds like he's just talking up some mind game. He went 3-hatch after all. You must have never seen this build before. That's pretty much exactly how it's done, 3rd hatch and all. | ||
Tsutchie
Australia951 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:47 ssxsilver wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 17:45 Tsutchie wrote: On December 16 2012 17:43 booksmartguy wrote: I think this is a reactional strategy by Hydra. hydra just said in the QnA that it was planned. Sounds like he's just talking up some mind game. He went 3-hatch after all. he said that P loves to bring out the first zealot to harrass. if he didnt make that hatch hero wouldnt have fallen for the trap. but not only did hero not wall in. he sent his first 2 zealots out to harras an empty 3rd. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:48 haka wrote: JYP might have a chance: Effort is 0-5 vP lol Those stats are a bit misleading. | ||
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