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krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
December 16 2012 08:44 GMT
#2021
On December 16 2012 17:43 AverageAsianDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:42 blacksheepwall wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:41 Grend wrote:
Effort is pretty good right? Doubt well see an ace match.
Hope we do though since JYP is on my fantasy team for some reason..

Why would you put JYP on your fantasy team?

i have puma on mine..


I have thorzain lol
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
December 16 2012 08:44 GMT
#2022
I want JYP to win and then Jaedong come out for the ace, but I don't think JYP will be winning this
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25998 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2023
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.

That last game is a case in point, HerO's adherence to standard play was used against him there, the 'metagame' was referenced and exploited. Why is that not strategic?
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2024
On December 16 2012 17:44 Havik_ wrote:
He lost to THAT?!??!?? When I say Hero is overrated, games like that are why.


That has nothing to do with skill.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2025
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.


Why are you so against different trends on different maps? There is no reason the trends (you call it metagame) should be the same in every match and new trends only develop in response to standard play. There is a lot of depth in having to play different styles to take advantage of maps.
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Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2026
On December 16 2012 17:43 dcemuser wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

Yes (110)
 
63%

No (61)
 
35%

If you have time (4)
 
2%

175 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


so uh do we not like hero or something lol


We are rating the game, not the players.

usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it


I don't think hero fans watch proleague

Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting.


17k at 3:40 AM is amazing, lol.

What are you smoking? This beats almost any day of GSL when they were on Twitch exclusively for english casting.


it's 9;45 am in (central) europe, dont underestimate the amount of european sc nerds.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2027
herO vs Hero for ace please, Hero redeem yourself, dear god save my FPL
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2028
On December 16 2012 17:44 coasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:43 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

Yes (110)
 
63%

No (61)
 
35%

If you have time (4)
 
2%

175 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


so uh do we not like hero or something lol


We are rating the game, not the players.

usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it


I don't think hero fans watch proleague

Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting.


more people are watching this live than any of the GSL nights where they broadcasted on twitch.

GSL is only ~10k right? or was it actually less on twitch

But GSL also starts usually at 1:00 am on the west coast and 4:00 am on the east so...


GSL starts in the middle of the day for eu instead of 4 AM like proleague does, you trade one audience for another.
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2029
16k is really good but you guys are all dorks, the only real rating that matters is the one on Korean TV :D
"En taro adun, Executor."
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2030
On December 16 2012 17:43 booksmartguy wrote:
I think this is a reactional strategy by Hydra.


hydra just said in the QnA that it was planned.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2031
On December 16 2012 17:44 umelbumel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:43 Ammanas wrote:
Wow, this build was prepared, because Hydra noticed in HerO vods that on Cloud Kingdom his first zealot goes towards the third base, not to defend in a wall O_O

what wall? :D


Well OK, this time he didnt even wallin, so it made it that much better :D
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Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2032
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2033
effort lost to bisu. this one isn't too hard to call
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
December 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#2034
On December 16 2012 17:44 Grend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

Yes (110)
 
63%

No (61)
 
35%

If you have time (4)
 
2%

175 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


so uh do we not like hero or something lol


We are rating the game, not the players.

usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it


I don't think hero fans watch proleague

Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting.

16k is nothing?

The 16k is at poor hours too. Granted it is the weekend, but still pretty late for US and very late for EU (or early depending on gamer sleep schedule vs normal sleep schedule).
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4414 Posts
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2035
Now JYP needs to win and then Jaedong needs to be put out for the ace match and lose.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:46:44
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2036
On December 16 2012 17:42 ThomasR wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:41 blacksheepwall wrote:
EG-TL needs to get their fuckin' shit together. I love HerO and Taeja (a lot more luke warm on the EG players), but come the fuck on. These guys should be tearing this shit up.

fanboy talk?


I don't know that they should be tearing it up, as I didn't expect HuK to win at all, though I did have a little hope for thorzain. However, HerO's loss was just mind-boggling. He is an absolute miracle worker of microing in bad circumstances and creating last second walls at the last instant. To not wall or have a probe there was just thoughtless.


Though I will admit even with the wall I'm not entirely sure with that amount of lings that he would have held on without getting really far behind.

End answer: Hydra played HerO perfectly, but I really think it was a silly catch HerO should have been fully able to cope with, and I would have expected him to.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:46:15
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2037
--- Nuked ---
Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2038
So, I kinda missed the opening. He went for a standard 3-hatch opening, made X starting drones then just went for a bunch of slowlings and attacked? Well, sniped indeed. It was funny if anything, not sure if it's "worth watching". Good job by Hydra though. So...JYP against effort? ugh, looks grim, let's hope he can pull it through.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:47:05
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2039
On December 16 2012 17:43 AverageAsianDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:42 blacksheepwall wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:41 Grend wrote:
Effort is pretty good right? Doubt well see an ace match.
Hope we do though since JYP is on my fantasy team for some reason..

Why would you put JYP on your fantasy team?

i have puma on mine..


I decided to go full foreigner and picked:

JYP, PuMa, Stephano (who isn't even there atm), Calm (who doesn't even play anymore and traded him for T-Zain because of point value), Sea and TaeJa. Why? For the lols and it's good fun.
Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2040
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean
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